YAGT: OMG I love guns

[ManBearPig]

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[BladeVenom]

More projectiles, but less penetration per projectile.

 

[ManBearPig]

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[schneiderguy]

I use A-zoom snap caps in my revolver. They seem to work well. I have probably done about 1000 dry fires and none of them have broken yet.

 

[CRXican]

Prefer these:

http://www.stactionpro.com/action-t...1.html?zenid=45e6d7692e34a76f371013528b0cecf2

 

[pontifex]

More projectiles, but less penetration per projectile.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm


Lessons learned:
1. After doing additional tests, I now feel that this test had a flaw. Having the sheetrock pieces so close together allowed them to “stack up” and gave a false result. By spreading the sheets out, like in a home, we found that buckshot will penetrate 4 walls (8 sheets of sheetrock)easily.

also another thing on ATOT I see quite often - "you don't have to aim a shotgun"

2. Once again, please notice the size of the entrance spreads....2 1/2" to 3 1/2". Therefore, anyone that says, "With a shotgun, you don't even have to aim. Just point it in the general area of the bad guy, and you can't miss", does not know what they are talking about.\



http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14.htm

 

[schneiderguy]

No, I don't think so. My .41 and .44, maybe. My 45, no. If I hit, it's going to stop in the wall, because I shoot hollow points; it'll fragment in the perp and then the remaining fragments will hit the wall as pieces with less energy. A 5.56, 5.7, .308 and.30-06 round - very much so. NONE of them are defense rounds in the home. As much as I want to say to someone in an Eastwood voice "get out of my apartment" it just isn't practical. My apartment building has no wood studs, it's all metal framework and drywall. I imagine a 5.56 round could go through quite a few walls. A .30 caliber round even more walls.

Not sure where you're getting the idea that .45ACP will be stopped by drywall or fragment inside a human body.

After you miss and your .45ACP slug zips right through a couple of sheets of drywall and hits your neighbor:

5.56 is actually safer than .45ACP after passing through a wall. It'll make a muc more shallow wound whereas .45 still has enough momentum to travel through 20+ inches of tissue.

 

[schneiderguy]

Prefer these:

http://www.stactionpro.com/action-t...1.html?zenid=45e6d7692e34a76f371013528b0cecf2

Those probably make better dummy rounds to cycle through the action, but it doesn't look like they cushion the firing pin impact like the A-zooms do.

 

[ManBearPig]

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[BladeVenom]

5.56 is actually safer than .45ACP after passing through a wall. It'll make a muc more shallow wound whereas .45 still has enough momentum to travel through 20+ inches of tissue.

A FMJ 5.56 will also go through a lot more walls than a .45 will.

Even after going through one wall a 5.56 is more dangerous than .45. That picture shows the 5.56 creating a larger permanent wound cavity, even if it doesn't penetrate as deeply into ballistic gel as a .45.

 

[Scarpozzi]

1. Buy a .22 for plinking. You can save hundreds of dollars over time by simply switching to the .22 when at the range waiting for others to finish their rounds. I purchased a Beretta U22 Neos for this. It's a cool gun, but see if you can find a good Ruger Mark III for $240-250. They're about the same price and the Ruger is a better gun. Another good .22 is a Buckmark.

2. I personally like the Springfield XD 3" Subcompact (circa 2006). They can be found for around $389 on sale and are really great. Few jams, have 3 mags available (10, 13 flush and a 16 round extended) It's great for the range and if you ever want to conceal carry, it will do that too with minimal footprint.

Sure, you can get a Glock or Sig or revolver for that matter...the XD is my own preference. I considered the Glock 19, but didn't like the handle because of the finger molds. I'm a bigger fan of the Glock 17, but didn't want that big of a gun in case I wanted to carry....so that's my opinion.

Buy 2 guns...a .22 and a 9mm and be set for a few years until you want to waste more money on a .45 1911 or a AR-15 or AK-47 (if allowed in your state).

 

[irishScott]

Is it going to break into little tiny pieces after on piece of drywall? Of course not. Here is the fact of the matter: any round that is a suitable self defense round that is going to penetrate the human body deep enough to stop an attacker will penetrate from your apartment, into your neighbors and likely the next on over. Handgun vs rifle vs shotgun is a personal preference. Handgun is easier to maneuver around the house with but more difficult to shoot accurately.(under stress your accuracy drops roughly 80% according to studies in officer involved shooting. i.e. guys whole qualified at 100% had a shot landing rate of 20%. Don't have a clue what your training regimen is like but is something to keep in mind.) Rifle is harder to maneuver with but much easier to land shots on target with less chance of an errant shot. Shotgun is similar in most regards to the rifle but has less capacity but with the proper ammo is a true one shot man stopper, nothing any handgun caliber can claim. LE quality 00 buckshot has incredibly tight groups.(Federal Flitecontrol in particular) At across the room distance it's going to be essentially at worst a softball sized group.

Yes all rounds will go through at least 2 walls. But between a handgun round going through 10 and a rifle round going through 16, I'd prefer the handgun round. Also for apartment use, it would increase the chance that the bullet would be stopped by furniture that a .556 FMJ would penetrate.

80% relative to what? If all that means is my groups are 80% larger than they would be I'd still be minute-of-man, considering I can make one big ragged hole at 7 yards with my 1911.

 

[QuantumPion]

So how often do people detail strip their weapons?

Never, unless there is some sort of problem or you are installing custom trigger, etc.

 

[RampantAndroid]

wtf?

a shotgun has magic rounds that won't go through walls? wtf are you smoking??

I'm guessing a rubber round will go through walls. And won't be lethal. No lethal round will be stopped by gypsum board.

 

[Pia]

1. Buy a .22 for plinking. You can save hundreds of dollars over time by simply switching to the .22 when at the range waiting for others to finish their rounds. I purchased a Beretta U22 Neos for this. It's a cool gun, but see if you can find a good Ruger Mark III for $240-250. They're about the same price and the Ruger is a better gun. Another good .22 is a Buckmark.

Probably a better idea to buy the Sig .22 conversion for his existing gun, so the feel is the exact same.

edit: and because the same holsters will fit, etc.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Not sure where you're getting the idea that .45ACP will be stopped by drywall or fragment inside a human body.

After you miss and your .45ACP slug zips right through a couple of sheets of drywall and hits your neighbor:

5.56 is actually safer than .45ACP after passing through a wall. It'll make a muc more shallow wound whereas .45 still has enough momentum to travel through 20+ inches of tissue.

The box o truth disagrees. 556 has much more muzzle energy and penetrates WAY more. People argue .45 can be stopped by a car, 556 cannot.

 

[ManBearPig]

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[velillen]

Probably a better idea to buy the Sig .22 conversion for his existing gun, so the feel is the exact same.

edit: and because the same holsters will fit, etc.

It might be nice but its also often 250 to 280 before tax. You can get a dedicated 22 for that much and have two guns and not have to change things. I've seen a couple ranges with signs that say no field stripping so not sure if that would apply

But I would have bought the kit for mine if I could have.found one with a threaded barrel. Went with the mosquito instead since its 90% size so the feel is close enough for me and I've yet to have any problems with it

 

[HybridSquirrel]

Does anyone have an LCR .357?

 

[ManBearPig]

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[irishScott]

I really wish all these people who are going crazy and shooting people/places up would just chill out. Seems like the worse time for me to get a gun, everyone in my family is like..."SEE what guns do? Dont waste your money." Argh.

Tell your family that if they're dumb enough to equate you with psychopathic gunmen, their opinion really does mean nothing on this issue.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Not sure where you're getting the idea that .45ACP will be stopped by drywall or fragment inside a human body.

After you miss and your .45ACP slug zips right through a couple of sheets of drywall and hits your neighbor:

5.56 is actually safer than .45ACP after passing through a wall. It'll make a muc more shallow wound whereas .45 still has enough momentum to travel through 20+ inches of tissue.

I further mulled this chart over. I call bullshit on it. .45 and 9mm go deeper than 308 does. Red flag #1 going up right now.

Red flag #2 is that the 223 round shows no signs of tumbling. Look here:
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot1.htm

At sheet #6. See the round tumbling? That's the entry I expect to see into the gel, I instead see what looks like the round's tip is perpendicular to the gel surface. That seems wrong. UNLESS they used cheap gypsum board with the gel RIGHT behind it.

Either way, without further info behind this photo - IE info showing the number of boards, thickness, distance of gel from wall and such, I'm going to say this image is worthless, and that I suspect it is total BS with doctored results.

 

[ManBearPig]

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[RampantAndroid]

I did lol. Ive never even been in a fight in my life. They think im gonna have some kind of accident and someone is gonna die. I told them that i wouldnt even keep ammo here if they didnt want me to. Still think something is magically gonna happen.

Because the gun is going to pick itself up and kill someone...

Do they trust you? If so, they have no concerns. Guns don't turn people evil enough to murder - something else does, or they were just sick and twisted from the start.

 

[ManBearPig]

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