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shortylickens said:
And dont get all bent out of shape over lumens. Most companies have bullshit methods for calculating them. You would do better to get both and a light meter and check for yourself.
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Like measuring output at the diode vs. outside the plastic covering it, and that's one of the less shitty things they do.
 
For a light I use a TLR-1S with the strobe turned off, it was just cheaper than the regular one because it was on sale. I love it and for $100 it's hard to beat. I'd also consider the WML light. I use their rifle light and have had great success with it. Never used a laser.
 
NutBucket said:
I said most. Just the impression I get. Or maybe just the impression from a few posters in this thread....
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the USP just doesn't fit my hands well :|



I *really* wanted one.....till I shot one and it just felt awful in *my hands*

the ergos and I just didn't jive well.
 
IGemini said:
If I MUST have a laser on my pistol, I'd go green. Easier for your eyes to pick up. Viridian C5L or Streamlight TLR2G are good options around $250-275, the former if you don't want a lot of bulk.
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I've been reading reviews on the C5L and there seems to be some QC issues. I really don't like the battery cap being metal and the case being polymer causing easy stripping. The X5L doesn't have this problem but it is much bigger. Do you guys have any other recommendations?
 
After going back and looking at the Dan Wessons, I really liked the looks of that RZ-10 10MM until I saw the $1350 price tag.

But yeah pay for what ya get, it looks very nice.

http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/dan-wesson-rz-10/

I guess are others around, hadn't really gun shopped in awhile nd all ready have enough pistols I haven't shot in a long time.


http://10mm-firearms.com/general-discussion/will-they-ever-make-dan-wesson-razorbacks-again/

I guess there are some older ones still around, but still more than I'd go one one myself though they look freaking great and 10 MM are real beasts.

http://www.armslist.com/posts/25292...or-sale--dan-wesson-razorback-rz-10-10mm-1911

Sorry, bit much there I guess, but I had my interest piqued and started looking at a few things.
 
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10mm 1911 style guns are either cheap and dangerous, or expensive and good. 10mm isn't the best cartridge for the 1911 design, really. That said, owning a Dan Wesson CCO I can attest to the reliability and overall quality of the gun - it's a great gun.
 
MongGrel said:
After going back and looking at the Dan Wessons, I really liked the looks of that RZ-10 10MM until I saw the $1350 price tag.

But yeah pay for what ya get, it looks very nice.

http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/dan-wesson-rz-10/

I guess are others around, hadn't really gun shopped in awhile nd all ready have enough pistols I haven't shot in a long time.


http://10mm-firearms.com/general-discussion/will-they-ever-make-dan-wesson-razorbacks-again/

I guess there are some older ones still around, but still more than I'd go one one myself though they look freaking great and 10 MM are real beasts.

http://www.armslist.com/posts/25292...or-sale--dan-wesson-razorback-rz-10-10mm-1911

Sorry, bit much there I guess, but I had my interest piqued and started looking at a few things.
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Man... I've been lusting after a Dan Wesson pm9 and valor...
 
RampantAndroid said:
10mm 1911 style guns are either cheap and dangerous, or expensive and good. 10mm isn't the best cartridge for the 1911 design, really. That said, owning a Dan Wesson CCO I can attest to the reliability and overall quality of the gun - it's a great gun.
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Yeah I know, the .45 ACP was the real one there I believe, was made for stopping things in it's tracks.

Fired a few in my day on ranges while in the Marines.

😉
 
RampantAndroid said:
10mm 1911 style guns are either cheap and dangerous, or expensive and good.
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The only cheap 10mm 1911s I'm aware of are from RIA. They have a ramped barrel with fully supported chamber, and I've never heard of any safety issues with them.

The only 10mm I'd be a little wary of for safety is the Delta Elite. It's not cheap, but it has poor chamber support. Some of the more powerful ammo even says not to shoot it in a Delta Elite.
 
If you ever have ever watched Razor Dobbs Alive, he uses a RZ-10 for hunting, and for backup when bow hunting. A lot more stopping power than a .45.
 
BladeVenom said:
If you ever have ever watched Razor Dobbs Alive, he uses a RZ-10 for hunting, and for backup when bow hunting. A lot more stopping power than a .45.
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Yeah, was one of the reasons I was curious about it to begin with, have seen that since about the late 80's and law enforcement started using them.

I'll probably never buy one as have a couple .357 Magnums I like all ready.
 
corwin said:
Ya'll just reminded me that I want a usp45 really bad
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Seconded. I wouldn't mind one in .40 even though the USP is one of those pistols that doesn't really carve into capacity between that and .45. In 9mm it was the most controllable pistol I'd ever fired.

Bird222 said:
Yeah green is what I want. Less bulk the better. The Viridian X5L seems to be for full size guns. What is the difference in 154 lumens and 100 lumens? How bright is a 100 lumens?
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I've only really used a C5L that worked fine even with a battery change so I can't speak to the QC issues. As to how bright 100lm is, the best answer I can say is "bright enough." The directed light is enough to blind/disorient someone even without the strobe. The C5L's bulb will work pretty well unless you're outside trying to illuminate something fairly far away.
 
IGemini said:
Seconded. I wouldn't mind one in .40 even though the USP is one of those pistols that doesn't really carve into capacity between that and .45. In 9mm it was the most controllable pistol I'd ever fired.



I've only really used a C5L that worked fine even with a battery change so I can't speak to the QC issues. As to how bright 100lm is, the best answer I can say is "bright enough." The directed light is enough to blind/disorient someone even without the strobe. The C5L's bulb will work pretty well unless you're outside trying to illuminate something fairly far away.
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Were there any other brands/models you considered besides the two you mentioned above?
 
In flashlights, lumen is unhelpful by itself. It only tells you total light output. Information like candela, spot size, and distance of throw all need to be known in addition to lumen. The higher the candela, the brighter the spot will be. Candela and lumen together can tell you how intense the beam is and generally how wide the beam spills to the sides. Spot size and throw distance are calculated roughly from the lumen and candela and also take into consideration the parabolic angle of the concentrator/reflector.

For a search light, spot is critical and long throw is needed so small spot, high lumens, super high candela makes an excellent distance search light.
For an edc flashlight, a flood like characteristic with lots of light is helpful - medium lumen, low candela, large spot, low throw. For defense weapon, a spot like characteristic with lots of spill, medium total amount of light is most helpful - high candela, medium lumen, small spot, short/medium throw.

Most good flashlights should give you at minimum two of the four parameters with at least one being lumen. If they do not, I would stay away from them unless someone with quasi quantitative experience steps up and recommends it. Preferably, spot size, candela, and lumen are given. This is enough to give you an idea of the shape of the beam and how much spill there is vs. How intense the light is on the spot.

For weapons, any offering from the well established defensive weapons light companies will be fine as they already tuned the parameters to best fit cqb situations. For laser, my opinion is it is not all that necessary unless the sights on the gun suck - like a jframe used as backup daytime gun... Lasers can be difficult to pick up at night within the flashlight aura because the flashlight also blinds you to an extent and also hides the laser. If the spot of the flashlight is sufficiently small - chest size at 5 yards, then that is all you need for aiming purposes so long as you also verify at the range (should be OK). As with anything, try it at home at night with safety checked gun. I find that flashlights leave me partially blinded or at least have image retention hindering my vision partially.
 
I've never understood why weapon lights are so expensive. A Streamlight Nano is like $5-10 and would is quite bright in a truly dim room. I keep one of their ~$30 pen lights in my pocket, and that sucker is blinding. Still quite small; the couple AAA batteries it used are what give it it's size.

For the $150 or more I see a lot of weapon lights go for, it should be utterly absurd. And come with a rechargeable Li-Ion battery.

I think the light and laser market capitalizes on 'legacy' pricing...i.e. the stuff used to be stupid-expensive, so they can still get away with charging more than the tech is now worth.
 
phucheneh said:
I've never understood why weapon lights are so expensive. A Streamlight Nano is like $5-10 and would is quite bright in a truly dim room. I keep one of their ~$30 pen lights in my pocket, and that sucker is blinding. Still quite small; the couple AAA batteries it used are what give it it's size.

For the $150 or more I see a lot of weapon lights go for, it should be utterly absurd. And come with a rechargeable Li-Ion battery.

I think the light and laser market capitalizes on 'legacy' pricing...i.e. the stuff used to be stupid-expensive, so they can still get away with charging more than the tech is now worth.
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Part of it is durability - the light gets slapped around quite a bit and has to sustain drops as well, probably. That said, yes I think it's a bit overpriced.

I've seen a number of Surefire G2s go dead from being used as a weapon light - it's just not durable enough to sustain shock after shock.
 
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