As hard for to admit it, but from my experiences the girls that I have treated nicely and MUCH more than they deserve ended leaving me for some guy with a sht load of pirecings on his member and TATOOS all over his body and rides a bike, and woudn't give 1/2 of sht about treating a girl nicely, all they care about s that they use the girls as they use their bikes you got it.
Yes most girls just like the BADASS type of guy with no future, it drives me crazy but there you have it these are the type of guys getting the girls nowadays.
That's dating in a nutshell my friend. If you're dating someone who you can't hold a conversation with, then it isn't meant to be.
oddly enough, me. my first gf and i were very good friends through most of highschool, especially the last two years. we didnt start dating until freshman year of college (we went to the same school and our dorms were very close to each others'). we dated for four and a half years, and now she hates me. so, just be careful. once youre in the friendzone, and you get out of it, i dont think there is much going back. so be sure she is worth it.
good luck!
Well, those badass types of guys may just have more of the time to figure out women than average Joes who spends most of his time working so he can spend it on the women he tries to impress. I see many websites trying to break down women's emotions one by one. While they are indeed entertaining and educational, they are putting theories and thoughts onto something more raw and innate to humans. Sometimes human relationships cannot be broken down by words or theories, and can be only felt and experimented.
For example, if you see a pretty girl sitting in the library looking at you whom you want to hit on, and analyze the situation on your chance of being with her/is she worth breaking your balls for/will you have enough guts not to look stupid, by the time you finish thinking about the situation she would have probably left thinking what a pussy you are. The correct thing to do here is probably just go out there and ask her out, hoping you don't make too big of a fool of yourself, but ending without any regrets because you are doing this to gain more experience for the next time you see a pretty girl you want to fvck. It will hurt you more if you start to doubt your abilities than getting rejected but understanding that you did what you thought was impossible, and in the end gain confidence in yourself.
That being said, I?m going to put some theories in anyway?
Many times intelligence is actually hindering most men to get laid. They are analyzing too much and not trying hard enough just to test themselves. The guy who wrote the ladder theory probably in the end hasn't developed a good way to actually pick up chics and get laid, but rather he just comments on how girls think (don?t mind the 4 rejections in 25 years, he might have just been too afraid to ask out more girls ). The real deal of getting laid cannot be just simply theorized - it's more like learning to driving a car, there's the written exam and there's the part where you have to do it. The more you drive a car, the more you are unconsciously driving it. Even though the theories helps you to understand the rules better, you pretty much have to do it over and over without the fear of rejection to actually get better at it. Getting girls is more about time and effort to fine tune it than to think about it and write it down to plan what you're going to do. Too many men are either too lazy/wussy/busy not being able to commit their lives to improve themselves so they can fvck more, like going to a mall and just make yourself talk every single girl that you potentially can fvck to practice not getting nervous in front of hot girls, waking up every morning to hit the gym for 1 hour to get your 6 pack and big biceps, or even going everywhere and try to get phone numbers from every girl you see just to learn how to cope with rejection. Getting booty will pretty soon become a second nature, provided you have enough time to commit yourself and have no shame.
The ladder theory?s power/money insight is mostly correct. But they undermined a certain point, that women want a man she can brag to her girlfriends about. Bragging about "He's the owner of <insert big sounding company name>," and "He has a 3 million dollar house" to her friends is probably more important than the truth of the company being some garbage disposal company with you being the only worker, and the 3 million dollar house cost you 3 million dollar yen instead of dollars. Granted these are exaggerations but you get the idea.
Attraction matters more than money, at least for younger women before they start wanting to raise babies. These women, who are the majority of the hotties out there, just want a man who can take them on a joyride so they can experience the most variety of men before getting married, preferably an artist, outlaw bikerider, kungfu master, etc. Perhaps they want an outlaw bikerider just because they know that in the future they're going to marry the opposite of him to raise kids, so they should get him while they still can before they settle down. The ladder theory's novelty/power insight on this is pretty accurate in that an artist generally embodies novelty and an outlaw biker power.
Girls also show attraction to those who can get other girls very easily (another form of power), though they themselves not want this, since they want to keep those men for themselves. The more you prove to her that you are capable of getting other girls, like screwing her friend or hitting on girls in front of her, the more she's willing to please you in order to keep you with her, and therefore attracted to you. Keep in mind that the word attraction has a different meaning used here - it's more used toward the way that she's protective of you of other women by showing you she can be a better fvck, showing attraction, than being attracted to you because she like men who cheats on her.
Another thing I've found out is that there are benefits of either presenting yourself as an asshole or a nice person to girls who you?re interested in. If you're a nice person, more girls are going to talk to you, but you won't know if they're treating you as a potential fvck or as an intellectual whore. As an asshole, the girls talking to you won't be expecting you to do anything nice for them anyway, and thus as a result the only girls who wants to be with you are ones who wants to fvck you, successfully filtering out those who are wasting your time.
Don't worry about rejection remember-
Even the BEST Basball player fail at the playe over 60% of the time.
Even top sales man have a closing percentage of less then 50%
The Best QB in the NFL has 30-40% of his passes fall incomplete.
The winniest Coaches still lose 20-30% of the games they coach.
You can NEVER achieve TOTAL SUCESS however you shoot to suceed and when you fail evalutae what happened make changes and try again.
I rememebr reading a story about a musicain who was turned down by 17 lables and when they 18th bit they had a hit record. Don't worry about thhe failure and understand that Failure is part of the journey towards sucess.
I personally used to send out 30 resumes a month. I on average got 10 calls I failed 66% of the time however I looked at the 33% of the return I got and I was happy.
Even the BEST Basball player fail at the playe over 60% of the time.
Even top sales man have a closing percentage of less then 50%
The Best QB in the NFL has 30-40% of his passes fall incomplete.
The winniest Coaches still lose 20-30% of the games they coach.
You can NEVER achieve TOTAL SUCESS however you shoot to suceed and when you fail evalutae what happened make changes and try again.
I rememebr reading a story about a musicain who was turned down by 17 lables and when they 18th bit they had a hit record. Don't worry about thhe failure and understand that Failure is part of the journey towards sucess.
I personally used to send out 30 resumes a month. I on average got 10 calls I failed 66% of the time however I looked at the 33% of the return I got and I was happy.
SearchMaster
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It's usually not that hard. Girls like to talk, guys don't. So you just have to be a facilitator and encourage the conversation from her. Almost like "mc"ing the date.
"So, after I graduate, I plan to <10 seconds of whatever>. What are you going to do?"
"<5 minutes of blabber>"
"Really? I thought about doing that too. What got you interested in that?"
"<10 more minutes of blabber>"
etc.
I'm coming into this topic late but oh well...
I didn't have a girlfriend at all throughout highschool. Hell, I still don't (21 now) but I'm in college so maybe that's for the better. Take it slow and just talk with her as you are now for maybe a couple weeks or so. See how things are then and ask her to maybe watch a movie (pick something NOT romantic, comedy is good). Go from there. Again, though, perhaps I am not the best person to give advice, no?
Use this:
http://www.outpostnine.com/editorials/mating3.html
I didn't have a girlfriend at all throughout highschool. Hell, I still don't (21 now) but I'm in college so maybe that's for the better. Take it slow and just talk with her as you are now for maybe a couple weeks or so. See how things are then and ask her to maybe watch a movie (pick something NOT romantic, comedy is good). Go from there. Again, though, perhaps I am not the best person to give advice, no?
Use this:
http://www.outpostnine.com/editorials/mating3.html
GOD!!!! This stuff explains what happened in my life step by step, however I had to discover this stuff from the expense of my own pocket, time & nerves!
Oh how much I would have payed to know this stuff years before, sigh.
But still that won't change my mind that % 99 of girls out there are evil snakes
This deserves a nomination for ATOT best link in a YAGT thread 2006 :thumbsup:
OP read this article relegiously this is as much experience as you need / can learn for your situation.
Do NOT and I repeat do NOT tell that girl about you miserable emotional life you will that way be gaining a master key to the Friend's Zone!
Engrave this paragraph above your bed and read it everyday before you sleep :
Do NOT let the issues start to come out while dating. Keep your blasted mouth shut, even if she starts to pry. If she starts talking about her own, head that ****** off at the pass. Issues are for much later, when the relationship has been established and solidified. If you let the issues come out now, yeah, you'll grow closer, but in that whole emotional support context. She will not be attracted to you. You will own the Friend Zone. Dates are simply for having fun and getting to know each other better.
Inspector Jihad
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Its either:
(1) She's interested in you. You've obviously done something right to win her niceness over; or
(2) You are a tool. Women will see you as someone they would not date, but they see you as someone not to be mean and hateful to, so you get their "sympathy" niceness.
(1) She's interested in you. You've obviously done something right to win her niceness over; or
(2) You are a tool. Women will see you as someone they would not date, but they see you as someone not to be mean and hateful to, so you get their "sympathy" niceness.
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