YAGT - Another encounter with Heather Feather

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Storm

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You're assuming a lot since you haven't even been out with her.

Why not ask her out before jumping to conclusions based on the several times of small talk?
 

RyanM

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Um. Wow. I go to bed, wake up, go to work, and this thread explodes in my absence. Yeah.

It seems like I've got some misconceptions to clear up and emphasis to put on things. This is gonna be a long post.

First off, her last name isn't Feather. I keep an online journal, and I've become accustomed to make up nicknames for people. Heather Feather just sounded interesting. Her real last name, well, I won't be telling anyone that anytime soon.

Second, I didn't mean that she herself is weird. I'm saying the situation is weird. I suppose I should have said, "So, I probably won't see her for another 12 months, but regardless, the situation with this chick is weird."

Dr. Smooth asks, "Have you ever had a girlfriend?"

That's a question I always hesitate to answer. My response is always, "How do you define girlfriend?"

I guess I should get into my history with women in the arena that eclipses friendships.

I had my first kiss at 16, my senior year of high school, with a girl I "dated" for exactly one month. I emphasize the air quotations because I don't really consider it a relationship in even one of the loosest senses. I don't know what I was thinking when I asked her out, I knew absolutely nothing about her, but two or three weeks into the "relationship" I realized that despite the fact we were around the same age, she was years more immature than I was. She was also very.....ditsy. Dull. Bland.

After I got out of that in October of 1998, I made a promise to myself never to get involved with someone I knew absolutely nothing about.

This worked out well enough until I got to Michigan Tech, in August of '99, as I managed to stay single until then. My first week there, the Orientation week, I met Angie. She was quite the looker, and I found myself at some retarded frat party on night, alternating between playing pool and chilling on the couch, slowly nursing a plastic cup full of the cheapest American Piss beer they could dredge up. She joined me on the couch at one point, and we spent the next 4 hours or so - The duration of the party, just chatting. Her roommate managed to get blitzed beyond belief, and was hanging off of two guys, who she fully intended to take back to her dormroom, so while we were attempting to walk the drunkards back, I invited her to spend the night in my dorm room since my roommate hadn't arrived yet.

We fooled around for the next two nights, nothing really serious, and it was a good time. The next day she told me I was the first guy she'd met who didn't try and take advantage of her on the first night, and she thanked me by showing me my first pair of boobies and allowing me to....ahem....be a cunning linguist for her. I didn't feel ready to recieve reciprocation though. We hung out alot for two more days, until she began to shy away. I never really understood what happened, but a week later, she was giving head to my BEST FRIEND, so I guess I'm sorta glad I didn't get further involved with that potential trainwreck.

I avoided the snow cows and the emotionally unstable women at Tech for another 4 months, until I went home for X-mas break. The day after Xmas, I was hanging out with my friends at my favorite 24-hour diner, the good 'ol National Coney Island, and one of their boyfriends brought his sister.

I wasn't interested at first. But she was smarter than a whip, and when the entire group proceeded to go to the video store to find a movie, I found out she was a Monty Python fan. When we got back to my house, she picked up my Dad's guitar and began to TUNE it. Turns out she plays bass. And loves Tool. And the Matrix. I was floored. Dream girl, much?

I fell pretty hard fast, and we spent the entire week together, along with plenty couch time. We took it quite slow though, and unfortunately, it was sort of cut short by me returning to Tech. What happened over the next 4 months is complicated and boring, but come April of 2000, I was ready to make a trip home. She was gonna cut classes, and we were gonna spend the day together. We cuddled and made out in the car for a good hour, before heading back to my place.

I won't go into details, I'll say we had fun for the next 5 hours. The same thing happened with her that happened with Angie, so I remained blissfully celibate with the satisfaction of having made someone else have a jolly good time.

I returned back to Tech, and we stopped seeing each other after that, even when I came home for good in a month. She moved on to someone else, who, as far as I know, she's currently engaged to. It irritated me to be told by someone that he's, "Almost just freaking like you, personality wise."

So yeah, April 15th, 2000, was a great day though. I didn't get involved with a single woman again until May of 2002.

We'll call her Vivi. I'd known her for almost a year and a half, but we'd only begun to really hang out with frequency in the previous two months. One fateful week in May, we spent almost every day together, and it dawned on my I was extremely attracted to her. Aside from being a complete and utter knockout, she loved art, loved literature, movies, guns, libertarian politics, non-theism, photography....again, someone that was nearly perfect for me.

One night, while she was exposing me to the awesomeness of "O Brother, Where Art Thou," we began cuddling, and she stayed the night. We slept in separate beds, because she'd had a bit too much to drink, and I didn't want to do anything she'd possibly regret. But come morning, she slithered her way into my bed, and it was a good morning. Our pants stayed on, but everything else was game. And the peasents rejoice.

The next 4 days were freaking incredible, once again, we hung out for every single one of them. And then, on the 5th day - "Let's be friends." I returned the video to the movie store, and realized this particular stint of intamacy lastest the exact same length AS A FREAKING MOVIE RENTAL.

At that point, I was done. I realized that, at this apex of my life, I am not in a place to deal with the confusing and frustrating nature of the joy of women. I've got too much bullsh!t on my plate to deal with trying to sift through candidates, interpret body language, and worry about all that crap. Maybe when I'm 25, out of debt, and working at my career, I'll have the time for it. But these days, I have time to hang out with my few true friends maybe once every 2 weeks or so, and trying to start a relationship would be inviting disaster I'm not in the mindset to cope with.

So I'm blissful in my lack of contact. Even though I can be a smooth talker when I'm being paid to sell crap to people, I don't feel the drive to be thus off the clock, and enjoy my solitude. I go to Coney, and sit for 3 hours drawing, sipping coffee, and drowning my lungs in delicious tobacco smoke. Or I sit on the computer and work on various graphics stuffs. Or I see movies alone. And occasionally, I hang out with my friends.

And I'm happy.

And I don't like surprises. This whole situation is one of them. Many of you have posted, "If she calls, go out with her, you have nothing to lose!" But, I do.

My simplicity. My contentedness. The stability of my current mundane existance.

I hold those things dear to me. And this whole situation, the fact that my emotions may be wrestling control from my logic centers, has the possibility to f*ck that all up.
 
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Wow.

I entered this thread with the intention of simply saying that is needs more ... but ... damn.

My ear canal is about an inch wider from the mind-fvck that post just gave me. :confused:

I'll make an actual reply later, now that I've tagged this thread.

- M4H
 

Mill

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I read the whole post. I understand where you are coming from, but in some parts I don't. Why are you such a prude about certain things? In several of the stories you told it was obvious that they did want to have sex. You screwed the pooch and turned them off by acting as if you had to get an affidavit from the girl before you slept with her. I seriously think you are quite timid about sex or something. I can't think of a logical reason why you would do certain things, but then not want to do others. Are you prudish or trying to be a gentleman? The signals are there and you are missing them.

"We fooled around for the next two nights, nothing really serious, and it was a good time. The next day she told me I was the first guy she'd met who didn't try and take advantage of her on the first night, and she thanked me by showing me my first pair of boobies and allowing me to....ahem....be a cunning linguist for her. I didn't feel ready to recieve reciprocation though. We hung out alot for two more days, until she began to shy away. I never really understood what happened, but a week later, she was giving head to my BEST FRIEND, so I guess I'm sorta glad I didn't get further involved with that potential trainwreck."

Because she wanted to FVCK and you didn't! That is why she went to your friend...
 

guapo337

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wow man. wow. you've got quite the situation. this YAGT is truly remarkable. i'll be like M4H and reply later. this requires thought.
 

RyanM

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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Wow.

I entered this thread with the intention of simply saying that is needs more ... but ... damn.

My ear canal is about an inch wider from the mind-fvck that post just gave me. :confused:

I'll make an actual reply later, now that I've tagged this thread.

- M4H

I look forward to the "actual" post. I'm not quite fathoming how anything I said was in any way mindf*cking.
 

EvilYoda

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weird...I'm sure you have enough responses already, but I'm just commenting that you live close me...Forum 30...freaky.

anyway.
 

Kevin

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I'll admit there are plenty of psychos out there but the way you talk about Heather is kind of weird. It gives the impression that you like her, but you're trying to come up with reasons why you shouldn't. Then you're using your past as reason to stay away from here.

Whatever happened doesn't matter now, all that matters is what does and can happen in the future...
 

RyanM

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Originally posted by: Millennium
I read the whole post. I understand where you are coming from, but in some parts I don't. Why are you such a prude about certain things? In several of the stories you told it was obvious that they did want to have sex. You screwed the pooch and turned them off by acting as if you had to get an affidavit from the girl before you slept with her. I seriously think you are quite timid about sex or something. I can't think of a logical reason why you would do certain things, but then not want to do others. Are you prudish or trying to be a gentleman? The signals are there and you are missing them.

You bring up some things I forgot to include.

As to the signals, I don't see any signals. I've never been able to see signals. If I had a nickel for every female friend who've said to me, "You know there was a point where I was really attracted to you," I'd have.....at least 50 cents. I don't....GET....signals. I don't see them. When I do end up with a girl, it's not because I've perceived signals, it's because it's one of the few times where my level of attraction to someone has been sufficient for me to throw caution to the wind and take a chance.

As for the prude/gentlemen issue, I believe it's a little from Column A, a little from Column B. I have always loathed those who treat women like crap, so I strive to be the polar opposite of that. At the same time, my formative years were filled with friends who had sex before love, and always lamented to me, "I wish I'd waited to fall in love before having sex." It must have been iterated enough to the point where the "no sex before love" meme became imprinted on my subconscious. This combination of desire to be a gentleman, and prudish outlook on personal pleasure, is what likely leads to me having no problem pleasing others, while denying myself turnabout.

I am not a virgin by circumstance, but by choice. Nonetheless, my conscious mind, despite taking issues with that choice, cannot manage to override my subconscious value to my virginity. It's one of the many reasons which I've made the conscious decision to avoid romantic entanglement at this juncture of my life.

I hope that makes some sense. If I didn't answer the question, feel free to clarify.
 

Storm

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Im confused because your posts sound confusing and you come off as being confusing. :confused:

I guess if you want to avoid romantic entanglements you better be upfront with whatever gal gets interested in you. It definitely seems like you attract some sort of attention from the opposite sex. If you're not upfront, you're going to keep getting owned by the gal who imho thinks you're not attracted to her and moves on. Every one of
cases you stated, the girl wants to do the deed with you, but you dont go through with it.

This is going to continue as a cycle until you take the plunge. Or you can come off as gay? Then you might not to worry about that? :p In all seriousness, if girls are going to keep getting attracted to you, you're going to have to let them know about your choice to stay virginial. At least this way they might know where you're coming from or they could think of that as a cop-out and move on to your best friend.
 
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Okay, after reading everything here, especially the most recent post about your virginity being a choice - I can say the following. It's one of these two options.

You're a "normal" guy.
But from what you've heard from your friends, you've developed this view of sex as being the Ultimate Pinnacle of Love And Togetherness. And I'm sorry to say it, because it will draw the flames from the Fundies - but it's not. Sex on its own merits is, well, "playtime for adults". It's physical. It's fun. It's enjoyable. And those women have all desperatly thrown themselves at you for one reason or another, but the bottom line is they want to play. And if you're not into the game, they'll move on. You have to either be up front and be a total gentlemen so that they'll know you don't want to have sex right away - or for that matter, quite awhile - or continue getting expressions worthy of the "OWN3D" caption when you walk in on your Special Somebody blowing your pal. And if you're choosing the latter option, don't say I didn't warn you when you post YAGT and I dig this thread up from its grave.

OR..

You're gay.
Go get a boyfriend, a pink Beetle, and a smashing two-story flat in New Orleans.

The choices have been laid out. The next move is up to you.

- M4H
 

RyanM

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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Okay, after reading everything here, especially the most recent post about your virginity being a choice - I can say the following. It's one of these two options.

You're a "normal" guy.
But from what you've heard from your friends, you've developed this view of sex as being the Ultimate Pinnacle of Love And Togetherness. And I'm sorry to say it, because it will draw the flames from the Fundies - but it's not. Sex on its own merits is, well, "playtime for adults". It's physical. It's fun. It's enjoyable. And those women have all desperatly thrown themselves at you for one reason or another, but the bottom line is they want to play. And if you're not into the game, they'll move on. You have to either be up front and be a total gentlemen so that they'll know you don't want to have sex right away - or for that matter, quite awhile - or continue getting expressions worthy of the "OWN3D" caption when you walk in on your Special Somebody blowing your pal. And if you're choosing the latter option, don't say I didn't warn you when you post YAGT and I dig this thread up from its grave.

OR..

You're gay.
Go get a boyfriend, a pink Beetle, and a smashing two-story flat in New Orleans.

The choices have been laid out. The next move is up to you.

- M4H

Hrm. That latter sounds appealing.

KIDDING.

Anyways. I guess it's like this.

My id says, "I really want to go out, have fun, and experience life, including have sex with lots of great women."

My superego says, "Shut the f*ck up, you bitch. I can't stay utterly and completely retarded if you're out there having fun."

My ego says, "Goddamnit. I've got a bunch of morons stuck in my goddamned head. And Freud was a f*cking idiot."

I guess the point is that this whole thing is likely a defense mechanism that went up to wrest control away from my "Let's enjoy life" emotional side. Though I love having fun, I've got some internal malfunctions which do their best to prevent me from having fun, and usually get their way.

I think the reality is, I'm really the trainwreck, and my brain is doing the best to keep others out of it for their own good. This was a fruitful debug session.

At least, that's what it's telling me to say right now.
 

Ladies Man

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I think you think to much

relax, go out and get drunk, get high, then you're other head will take over and you'll enjoy the other side of life.
 
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Originally posted by: MachFive
I guess the point is that this whole thing is likely a defense mechanism that went up to wrest control away from my "Let's enjoy life" emotional side. Though I love having fun, I've got some internal malfunctions which do their best to prevent me from having fun, and usually get their way.

DING DING DING we have a winnAr. Thank you for reading between the lines and picking up on the subtle message.

Thus far in your life, it seems like you've just been listening to your conscience. Give that mouthy little twat a kick in the teeth and cut loose for a bit. See how it feels. You just might like it. :)

- M4H
 

RyanM

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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: MachFive
I guess the point is that this whole thing is likely a defense mechanism that went up to wrest control away from my "Let's enjoy life" emotional side. Though I love having fun, I've got some internal malfunctions which do their best to prevent me from having fun, and usually get their way.

DING DING DING we have a winnAr. Thank you for reading between the lines and picking up on the subtle message.

Thus far in your life, it seems like you've just been listening to your conscience. Give that mouthy little twat a kick in the teeth and cut loose for a bit. See how it feels. You just might like it. :)

- M4H

I think that's the bigger problem - I conscience IS what's in control. It never shuts up. It keeps me awake at night when I should be peacefully dozing. It is the source of pretty much all my internal psychosis.

So the question becomes - How the F*CK do you defy your conscience?

Few other people have this problem. For me, doing something my mind thinks is a bad idea is as impossible as......I can't come up with a funny comparison. It's just impossible.

I'd take the drinking solution, but I can't get drunk. My mind cuts me off at my limit. I wish I was kidding, but I'm dead serious. I haven't been drunk since......'99? Christ.
 

RyanM

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Originally posted by: guapo337
wow man. wow. you've got quite the situation. this YAGT is truly remarkable. i'll be like M4H and reply later. this requires thought.

What's remarkable is that an Anandtech thread has resulted in me realizing that some of my neurosis go deeper than I realized.

Though this sort of public analyzation leaves me feeling......mentally raped.....I suppose it's healthy.
 

RyanM

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Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello
Your life story on ATOT? (Least your love life) That takes some balls man. :beer:

Thanks man.

If people really want to get down the to the nitty gritty, we can turn this into the "My life story thread." lol

I really couldn't give two sh!ts. I'm an expert at making an ass out of myself.
 
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Originally posted by: MachFive
How the F*CK do you defy your conscience?

I don't know if I really want to tell you the methods of denying a conscience. Something in me says that you might royally fvck up your life and then I'd feel guilty.

Oh, wait.

That's just my conscience.

- M4H
 

RyanM

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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: MachFive
How the F*CK do you defy your conscience?

I don't know if I really want to tell you the methods of denying a conscience. Something in me says that you might royally fvck up your life and then I'd feel guilty.

Oh, wait.

That's just my conscience.

- M4H

Thank you, Morpheus. Any other koans you'd like to give me? If I see buddha in the street, shall I slay him? ;-)
 
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Originally posted by: MachFive
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: MachFive
How the F*CK do you defy your conscience?

I don't know if I really want to tell you the methods of denying a conscience. Something in me says that you might royally fvck up your life and then I'd feel guilty.

Oh, wait.

That's just my conscience.

- M4H

Thank you, Morpheus. Any other koans you'd like to give me? If I see buddha in the street, shall I slay him? ;-)

To be truly free, you must do what your conscience will not permit you to. The inhibitions are in your mind, not your body. The mind is part of your body, and thus under your control. But how do you control your body?

With your mind.

- M4H
 

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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Go get a boyfriend, a pink Beetle, and a smashing two-story flat in New Orleans.


- M4H

isn't a flat, by definition, one storey?
 

RyanM

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Go get a boyfriend, a pink Beetle, and a smashing two-story flat in New Orleans.


- M4H

isn't a flat, by definition, one storey?

/me imagines what M4H would say in response...

Only in the sense that a 2-story is not a flat.
 
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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Go get a boyfriend, a pink Beetle, and a smashing two-story flat in New Orleans.


- M4H

isn't a flat, by definition, one storey?

Actually, by using the British slang term "flat" instead of "apartment" I increased the gEight (like weight) of the effect by four French Units. :D

Edit - Did you see that one coming, M5? :p

- M4H