HAL9000
Lifer
Of course it would, which is why my shotgun is dismantled, and locked in a safe, if someone bursts through my door I wont be getting the key and putting it back together.
The back story is interesting.
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YACT: Cops shoot innocent ex-marine in AZ (huffington)
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Of course it would, which is why my shotgun is dismantled, and locked in a safe, if someone bursts through my door I wont be getting the key and putting it back together.
The back story is interesting.
HAL9000
Lifer
I'm 23.
yh125d
Diamond Member
Um, no
This other guy didn't have a gun. He grabbed something else to protect himself. A pretty harmless golf club. Didn't work out so well for him. Should we take away the right to own a golf club now to prevent stuff like this?
http://gawker.com/5737240/police-st...armed-with-golf-club-over-his-roommates-drugs
HAL9000
Lifer
That case was a combination of excessive police force, and the fact that when you hear "Police" and someone goes to kick the door in, don't grab something to defend yourselves.
All that being said, if it wasn't very possible that the guy in the room had a gun, then the police wouldn't have been armed.
yh125d
Diamond Member
Numenorean
Diamond Member
I find it utterly ridiculous that you're just fine with the police killing these people, yet if the homeowners were defending themselves against a thief you would have them fire warning shots and scream and yell and then serve them tea and crumpets and then draw a target on their chest so the thief can have something to aim at.
HAL9000
Lifer
I know; it's pretty sad. I've never paid attention to this guy but over the past few days I've been pretty disgusted with his posts. He HAS TO be trolling.
Why do you post here then? If you don't care what people think or say, your dribble is meaningless to this thread.
HAL9000
Lifer
He's not.
no its not. the swat officers said they took fire and merely returned fire. its an incredibly important point.
It is every americans right to confront someone barging into their house like that with a GUN and POINT it at them.
its the polices duty to do the due diligence to avoid this exact situation. the judges duty is to actually read details on the warrants and ask questions.
I never heard ANYONE yell police either, and if the guy 15 feet away not on the other side of a wall cant hear you, how do you expect the homeowner to?
I work by a nursing home(so lots of lgihts and siren EMS traffic), with a fire and police station down the road, I hear sirens 100 times a day so I dont even think twice about hearing them
also I agree, all those parroting 'he should own that gun or it wouldnt happen', your arguments are worthless because its legal and allowed. let alone the 100 threads on here about unarmed people or guys with gold clubs or a whittling knife being shot by cops.
I have a handgun, and own tons of tactical gear. a few sets of ACU's and BDU's, level 1 tactical vest, thigh rigging ETC. all perfectly legal. I even had a kevlar helmet for a while. half of it from doing airsoft and paintball
doesnt make me a criminal. the guy was a marine, I am surprised he doest have a closet full of paramilitary style gear
i hate you.
sao123
Lifer
Large difference between being dead, and being "declared" dead.
the first one happens on bullet impact. The second when the police think its safe enough to allow a coroner enter the building.
There is a descrepency in the story though... if you read the articles i posted, the police claim the body fell out of their site, so they could not know if it was safe to enter immediately, but the bloodspot photographed afterwards, showed clearly he was laying in the doorway.
regardless again... he was most likely dead, or died shortly thereafter... he just wasnt declared dead until an hour later when the coroner arrived.
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I find the fact that he had the safety on, and the officers initially justified them shooting by saying he had fired on them complete relevant to the scenario.
the only let down in this on SWAT was not really announcing their presence.
I doubt if this guy knew it was swat he would have had the rifle pointed at them.
thats a failure of the swat team.
the rest is a failure of the investigation and the judge.
I will not blame an officer for firing when he comes around a corner and is faced with a gun, but they had sooo many fuckups on their end, and thats how they got there.
but sure, when isolate all the failures of the system, it was a clean shoot.
too bad everything else was dirty.
again. it was his right to meet an unknown person in his house with a gun, its the polices failure to not properly notify him they were there. maybe he really was a scumbag. but I am not, but if I am at home watching TV I am not going to hear that pussy ass knock and likely ignore the sirens. you need to BANG on the DOOR multiple times and YELL "POLICE".
I have to agree with some other posters this looks more like an assanation than a swat raid.
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RampantAndroid
Diamond Member
Except, noone cares what a 21 year old with mental issues has to say about this "right"
OUR CONSTITUTION is all that matters
And before someone says it - if you read the federalist papers, the founding fathers meant for the PEOPLE - the COMMON PEOPLE - to own guns.
HAL - good for you, you hate guns. Go cry in the )*(#ing corner some more. It's a legal right. Had that marine not been armed with a gun, I bet he would have been at the door with a knife ready to protect his family. You're talking about a marine. He was dead meat the second that team decided to go in armed.
How did he let them in from the end of a long dark hallway (which is what is written in the OP, I didn't read the article)?
alkemyst
No Lifer
If you'd like to discuss an article, please read the fucking article.
It depends on the drill. I am a Marine, and now a police officer. Different teaching, basically because as a Marine you use a rifle most of the time, and as a regular police officer you use a pistol. You only get a pistol in the Marine Corps if you're an officer, SNCO or your MOS requires one. Like a machine gunner will have one, so he has a backup in case his 240 goes down. Its also up to command discretion so others may get one too. So the vast majority of Marines do not ever get qualified with a pistol, or get issued one.
Center mass is generally what you are told to do, in both cases. Because you have more room for error, if you are off. The head is a much smaller target than the chest. There are also different drills. In the Corps we also shoot in the groin, it counts the same as a head shot. The head shot is really hard to hit, because its just a "T", not the whole head. Basically just above the eyes, and down to the mouth.
The Marine Corps now also has different tables in the rifle range, instead of there just being one. There are now four. It used to be that you just shot from the 200y, 300y, and 500y range (all iron sights btw). And that was it, qualified. Now there are ranges where you shoot while moving forward, do magazine changes while moving, and on your own. Face backwards, turn and shoot the target. These are all silhouette targets btw. Table four even has moving targets. All of this is done between 25m and 10m I believe. I've only done it twice, and only tables 1 and 2 are needed to be qualified. I did tables 3 and 4 before deploying as part of the workup.
In the latter tables there are different drills. Sometimes its two to the chest, or two to the chest and one to the head. Or a single kill shot. And then different still, a deliberate pair, and a hammer pair is two rounds in less than a second. Supposed to put someone in shock if hit in the chest. So when they say fire, you've got 3 seconds to raise your rifle, put it on fire, sight in, and shoot two shots in the chest. Sounds hard, but its really a lot of time.
Hmm, I kinda blabbered and went all over the place. Oh well.
BudAshes
Lifer
And this is why i won't be joining the military, the enemies probably tell their soldiers to do the same thing.
The fact is, most deaths are caused by bleeding out. Not dying instantly from a gunshot or blast. Guess what happens if you get shot in the femoral artery? Normally you die, or at least they do because they dont have tourniquets or the training on how to safe someone like we do.
And its not the whole groin, its a small box. Like the T box for the head.
If this is the reason you arent going to join. You're just kidding yourself, you werent going to anyways. There are plenty of reasons not to, this isnt one of them.
And its not the whole groin, its a small box. Like the T box for the head.
If this is the reason you arent going to join. You're just kidding yourself, you werent going to anyways. There are plenty of reasons not to, this isnt one of them.
VinylxScratches
Golden Member
Another win on the war on drugs.
RampantAndroid
Diamond Member
And JUST for HAL..
How my guns are stored
Less than a quarter of the ammo I have in my place. The rest is in mags, loaded in guns, or in other ammo boxes
I've got a legal collection (and this isn't all of it), and it grew by 400% this year already.
You don't like it, well - you're in the UK so it isn't your problem.
How my guns are stored
Less than a quarter of the ammo I have in my place. The rest is in mags, loaded in guns, or in other ammo boxes
I've got a legal collection (and this isn't all of it), and it grew by 400% this year already.
You don't like it, well - you're in the UK so it isn't your problem.
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