Ya know, If I did this...

[brandonbull]

It was never an issue pre-Trump. Parents would escort their kids, and then pick them up later. Like it's done all over the country. The kids are American citizens, and borders are just lines on a map. School district zones too.

Which brings up another issue. I wonder if Trump is going to try to seize an international border. His magical wall, kill off hundreds of farmers that use the Rio Grande to water their animals and irrigate their crops.

Or is he going to be stupid enough to try to build it in the middle of a river, or just steal the whole damn thing?

Kids were getting locked up in cages long before Trump became President. Remember those photos that happened during Obama reign?

 

[Viper1j]

Kids were getting locked up in cages long before Trump became President. Remember those photos that happened during Obama reign?

I'll try putting this in Big Bird terms so you may be able to get a grasp.

American citizens, which is what the children are, were not being kidnapped or placed in cages, prior to Trump.

Does that clear things up for you Sparky?

 

[Commodus]

Kids were getting locked up in cages long before Trump became President. Remember those photos that happened during Obama reign?

So why isn't Trump fixing it, and why are there deaths occurring that didn't during Obama's tenure? Well, we know the answers to both those questions, but I'm sure you wouldn't have the guts to acknowledge them.

If you think this caging is wrong, insist that Trump fix it. You can't take the moral high ground if you condone ongoing behavior.

 

[Vic]

So worst case scenario she could have been deported to Mexico where her home is and she goes every night? That sound awful.

Law and order small govt conservative sees nothing wrong with the government unconstitutionally deporting legal US citizens.

 

[glenn1]

Law and order small govt conservative sees nothing wrong the government unconstitutionally deporting legal US citizens.

She lives in Mexico and literally "self deports" every single night after completing school in the U.S. (and why the American school district allows someone who doesn't live in their district or even the country to attend their schools at their expense is stupidity of the first order, but out of scope for purposes of this thread). If she had been "deported" it's basically a paperwork issue caused by idiot ICE agents since she is an American citizen then she could walk back up to the border and cross again the next day as she has the legal right to be here.

 

[sactoking]

Guys, I think we can all agree on a few things here:

1. CBP absolutely did the right thing. The only evidence needed is that her skin is brown.
2. This is just an extension of the policy to split families when a child citizen has a parent deported. If the child citizen refuses to split the family they lose their rights as citizens.
3. These brown children should choose to not have immigrant parents, so it's their own fault.

 

[Vic]

She lives in Mexico and literally "self deports" every single night after completing school in the U.S. (and why the American school district allows someone who doesn't live in their district or even the country to attend their schools at their expense is stupidity of the first order, but out of scope for purposes of this thread). If she had been "deported" it's basically a paperwork issue caused by idiot ICE agents since she is an American citizen then she could walk back up to the border and cross again the next day as she has the legal right to be here.

I'm unfamiliar with any provision in the law that allows the government to deport legal US citizens if they would have 'self-deported' themselves anyway. Can you cite that for me?

 

[blackangst1]

So are you saying that locking up "criminals" in jail is really kidnapping?

Um.... no.

 

[Viper1j]

She lives in Mexico and literally "self deports" every single night after completing school in the U.S. (and why the American school district allows someone who doesn't live in their district or even the country to attend their schools at their expense is stupidity of the first order, but out of scope for purposes of this thread). If she had been "deported" it's basically a paperwork issue caused by idiot ICE agents since she is an American citizen then she could walk back up to the border and cross again the next day as she has the legal right to be here.

My kid brother's partner took his pension from Ca. State Parole, and bought what almost amounts to a mansion a few miles outside of Bangkok, Thailand. He comes back whenever he wants to see his family or just shoot the shit. When he goes home, he DOES NOT "self deport". There is no mechanism in the United States Constitution for deporting United States citizens. Native born citizens (that means they were born here, in case you didn't catch that) are citizens until the day they die. Deal with it.

Unfortunately, that also includes Malaria's kid.

 

[JEDIYoda]

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I was surprised that it is a thing where they live in Mexico and then attend school in California. I would think that this shouldn't be allowed and only adds to the danger of these small kids crossing the border on their own unaccompanied by an adult.

Gie it a break! You obviously don`t know what you are talking about! What you have is two cities on the border with the border running through the cities. It is lterally taking a walk accross the street with a border Control station in the middle of the street!
There is nothing unsafe about this and it serves both communities quite well! Now back to our regularly scheduled programming!!
So what about this child held in custody for 3 weeks.....

 

[JEDIYoda]

This just in -- https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/border-patrol-detained-9-old-185136176.html
In all of these cases, Galicia, Brown, and Medina had paperwork on them that proved they were U.S. citizens when they were apprehended. But clearly that wasn't enough to prevent detention by an administration that views non-white people as suspicious. If a passport isn't enough to prove citizenship, it's not clear what people can do to avoid getting detained by ICE or CBP.

next thing you know these souless individuals will be going door to door in a neighborhood near you.....

 

[esquared]

In California, schools haven't been paid for by "school taxes" for decades. Property taxes are frozen and never rise in between sales. Google "Prop 13. Where you live isn't tied to where you go to school. Especially in light of the current homeless situation.

On June 6th, 1978, nearly two-thirds of California's voters passed Proposition 13, reducing property tax rates on homes, businesses and farms by about 57%. The Environment Prior to Proposition 13. Prior to Proposition 13, the property tax rate throughout California averaged a little less than 3% of market value.

"Property taxes are frozen and never rise in between sales"

That's not true. It is the one instance where taxes rise to their market level, when a house is sold.
The 2% maximum rise per year is only to people that continue to own their home.

https://www.ucop.edu/loan-programs/resources/consumer-information/property-taxes-in-california.html

 

[Lanyap]

I thought this incident sounded familiar. It was posted back in March when it happened. This thread is more interesting. Maybe mods can merge it. After reading more information about the incident I would change my response in the original thread. If both of the kids had valid US passport cards then CBP should have let them through without detention.

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...n-citizen-from-customs-border-patrol.2562907/

 

[JEDIYoda]

I thought this incident sounded familiar. It was posted back in March when it happened. This thread is more interesting. Maybe mods can merge it. After reading more information about the incident I would change my response in the original thread. If both of the kids had valid US passport cards then CBP should have let them through without detention.

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...n-citizen-from-customs-border-patrol.2562907/

Which just affirms that CBP are scumbags!! Accusing a little boy of smuggling....what pathetic people we have working these borders!!

The sibling told NBC 7 said officers also accused Oscar Medina of smuggling and other crimes which he said he didn’t understand.

 

[Viper1j]

Somebody snatch a few CPB kids.. Let them live the nightmare they created.. Release them after a few days in the desert.

Karma is a bitch, and she's in heat.

 

[pcgeek11]

You dont "think"? It would be nice to "know" before passing out judgement dont you think? Even if they dont, is it against the law?
Anyway. What do you think its worth in terms of foreign relations diplomacy and propagating the American way of life?

You obviously have no knowledge of how school districts work in this country.

 

[pcgeek11]

Is this really any worse than kids who ride the subway in NYC to get to school?

American kids going to American schools sounds just fine to me. Do you disagree for some reason?

Yes, if they are not paying the school taxes as required by the local regulations etc.

 

[pcgeek11]

In California, schools haven't been paid for by "school taxes" for decades. Property taxes are frozen and never rise in between sales. Google "Prop 13. Where you live isn't tied to where you go to school. Especially in light of the current homeless situation.

On June 6th, 1978, nearly two-thirds of California's voters passed Proposition 13, reducing property tax rates on homes, businesses and farms by about 57%. The Environment Prior to Proposition 13. Prior to Proposition 13, the property tax rate throughout California averaged a little less than 3% of market value.

I asked a question thanks for the answer. California id different than most of the country.

 

[pcgeek11]

So what? That's immaterial to the way CBP treated this 9 year old girl & her family. It's shameless whataboutism.

Good lord go back and read my original post.

I just stated I thought it was odd for residents of Mexico crossing the border to attend schools in the USA.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Yes, if they are not paying the school taxes as required by the local regulations etc.

<-- opened his mouth -- inserted his foot!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Good lord go back and read my original post.

I just stated I thought it was odd for residents of Mexico crossing the border to attend schools in the USA.

There are many things that we think are odd that are perfectly normal if you understand the situation! ..lol

 

[Lanyap]

I do agree that it is screwed up that she was in custody for 32 hours. Kind of sketchy on the details if someone was trying to get her released or not. Or could they not get in touch with her family or ...

Currently, IMO, the CBP was being overzealous about the human trafficking issue for this incident and they should not have detained the kids. I'm sure the Trump administration was a factor in them being overzealous.

I was surprised that it is a thing where they live in Mexico and then attend school in California. I would think that this shouldn't be allowed and only adds to the danger of these small kids crossing the border on their own unaccompanied by an adult.

There are two main scenarios to explain kids crossing the border in border towns to go to US schools.

The kids are Mexican citizens whose families are middle to upper class in Mexico. The families are wealthy enough to pay for them to go to private schools in the US close to the border and to get student visas. Example linked earlier.

The immigrant parents have kids on the US side then the family moves to a border town on the Mexico side for some reason, like the cost of living became too high on the US side and they could not afford it anymore but they still want their US citizen kids to have a US education. They would normally get a US passport card to allow the kids to go back and forth across the border. I would presume school taxes vary from border state to border state, county to county so I don't know how their school system gets paid.

 

[zinfamous]

Good lord go back and read my original post.

I just stated I thought it was odd for residents of Mexico crossing the border to attend schools in the USA.

That's happened for generations. The same thing has been going on with our northern border for at least as long. Hell, some towns are both in the US and in Canada with no discernible border.

Is that odd on the northern border?

 

[DarthKyrie]

That's happened for generations. The same thing has been going on with our northern border for at least as long. Hell, some towns are both in the US and in Canada with no discernible border.

Is that odd on the northern border?

Now don't go confusing him with things that are a result of our colonial past before there was a United States of America, like how most of the western half of the US was part of Mexico. Mexico made a giant mistake allowing white people to settle in their country, I am sure if they knew that those same white people would take two-thirds of their country away from them they would never have allowed them in.

 

[Vic]

Threads like this make me wonder: what does it take to get the law-and-order small government conservative posters here to care about the government unlawfully detaining their fellow American citizens?