XBox One w/o Kinect for $400

[zerocool84]

Not every game is everyone's cup of tea but when a games scores over 90% on sites like Metacritic, they can say it's just not for them but the score shows how it's not a bad game. That goes for any game on any platform.

 

[Tweak155]

There's people on here that say Last of Us sucked too. I just don't believe they are serious on that one.

So far, I really like The Last of Us, I think mainly because it isn't always run, run run, so the clunky controls don't bother me as much.

 

[purbeast0]

i think the "floaty controls" on uncharted have a lot to do with the shitty analog sticks on ps3 controllers. i feel most games that require dual analog sticks on ps3 feel a bit "floaty" because the analog sticks are just loose. but i do agree that the controls could be tighter like they are in other games such as ratchet and clank or resistance.

 

[Topweasel]

There's people on here that say Last of Us sucked too. I just don't believe they are serious on that one.

TLoU is a much more of a atmosphere game and a lot less of an Bruce Campbell meets Arnold Schwarzenager meets Indiana Jones game that the uncharteds are. While its a moving set piece game and good games that I can recommend to others (for example I love Gears but it would be a series I would suggest unless I knew it was their style), I have less issues with someone saying they don't like Uncharted than I do with someone who says they didn't like TLoU after playing it through. Either they are emotionally shut off or they mentally disabled. Plus things like sloppy controls work with that game, your a brawler, a survivor, not a been there done that action star that Drake is.

 

[TeknoBug]

I'm seeing the price of both consoles coming down already, are they not selling very well? I don't remember the 360 and PS3 dropping this quickly back in 2005-2006.

 

[American Gunner]

It is one of the most succesful console launches in history, so I am guessing that isn't the case.

 

[SlitheryDee]

I'm seeing the price of both consoles coming down already, are they not selling very well? I don't remember the 360 and PS3 dropping this quickly back in 2005-2006.

I think both companies designed their consoles so that they could hit their price targets while making some profit this time around. That gives them a lot more wiggle room for earlier price drops than they had in the previous gen. Losing money for the first couple of years a console is in production can apparently make a company change their strategy somewhat.

 

[Topweasel]

I'm seeing the price of both consoles coming down already, are they not selling very well? I don't remember the 360 and PS3 dropping this quickly back in 2005-2006.

Lot's of it in manufacturing costs. There were two big die chips, with large cooling requirements, very busy boards, and then the PS3 had a BD player and basically a whole PStwo built in. It was losing a massive amount of money per console even at $600 and there was no reason for MS to lower the price and the 399 Premium with Sony basically stuck at their cost.

This gen their electronics and feature sets and even the boards are not nearly as complicated and more on the level with a decent BD player. The CPU is probably the largest difference and its still just a medium sized low powered chip. Outside R&D and the intial production startup costs they are probably ~$200 in components ($250 for Xbone with Kinect). This is going to be a great gen to see some real Price Wars.

 

[Bman123]

Ps4 has no reason to lower the price, they are whooping ass. Ms needs to play catch up this time around

 

[cmdrdredd]

i think the "floaty controls" on uncharted have a lot to do with the shitty analog sticks on ps3 controllers. i feel most games that require dual analog sticks on ps3 feel a bit "floaty" because the analog sticks are just loose. but i do agree that the controls could be tighter like they are in other games such as ratchet and clank or resistance.

This is true. The controls were never very tight in any ps3 game.

 

[Arkaign]

Lot's of it in manufacturing costs. There were two big die chips, with large cooling requirements, very busy boards, and then the PS3 had a BD player and basically a whole PStwo built in. It was losing a massive amount of money per console even at $600 and there was no reason for MS to lower the price and the 399 Premium with Sony basically stuck at their cost.

This gen their electronics and feature sets and even the boards are not nearly as complicated and more on the level with a decent BD player. The CPU is probably the largest difference and its still just a medium sized low powered chip. Outside R&D and the intial production startup costs they are probably ~$200 in components ($250 for Xbone with Kinect). This is going to be a great gen to see some real Price Wars.

While I agree that we will see more/earlier price drops, $200/$250 isn't even close to the real BoM costs for PS4/Xbone.

PS4 has 8GB (!!!) of GDDR5.

http://allthingsd.com/20131119/teardown-shows-sonys-playstation-4-costs-381-to-build/

"The cost of the processor and the memory works out to $188, nearly half of the total cost"

That's before hdd/bd-rom/a couple dozen ICs (arm cpu, more memory other than GDDR5, wifi, etc, etc, etc).

Xbone numbers are similar. ESRAM oddly means the XB1 even sans Kinect is close to that same level of raw costs.

With mass production ongoing, the numbers should drop over time. We could feasibly see $299 PS4/Xbone models as early as Fall 2015. And that, of course, is hugely accelerated price dropping compared to last gen, when Sony couldn't drop the price, and that gave MS no real reason to drop their price either.

I said even before this gen began that price drops would happen quick, and SO MANY people (usually fanboys of one or the other) slammed me for it, said I was crazy. Even when the sales were going gangbusters for launch I said : watch, whomever drops back in sales will cut the price. Nope, people still wanted to remain delusional. The official unofficial (lol) Titanfall/Forza $449 bundles were the first rumblings in the US, and of course there was the 399 drop in the UK, etc.

There are a limited number of people at each price point that can afford entry, or view it as a worthwhile deal. PS4 is stomping the guts out of XB1 right now, but I tell you : the first one to hit $299, if they have that price point to themselves for at least 6 months, they're going to REALLY start to grow their base vs. the others.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I notice people keep trying to compare the launch to past launches. You simply can't. For multiple reasons. How well they will do remains to be seen.

 

[Renob]

And people brought up the performance of the PS3 the entire generation.

I honestly think both consoles are a bit sad. They can't even do 1080p OR 60fps for most games? Wtf?



Plenty? I don't know if I'd say that...

what he said, but changed a bit.
"they cant even do 1080p at 60fps"

 

[TreVader]

People who claim you can build a gaming PC for the price of Xbone or PS4 are just stupid. Maybe with integrated garbage graphics. You can't even get a good AMD APU (7800k) in a system for that much.

 

[Lil Frier]

People who claim you can build a gaming PC for the price of Xbone or PS4 are just stupid. Maybe with integrated garbage graphics. You can't even get a good AMD APU (7800k) in a system for that much.

You probably could if you got a combo deal with a board and reused peripherals, which is basically what a console is--you don't pay for the controller or TV.

 

[TreVader]

You probably could if you got a combo deal with a board and reused peripherals, which is basically what a console is--you don't pay for the controller or TV.

No, you couldn't. You have to pay for input devices and a windows license. Even on Linux, you'd need at least a 7870 to match the PS4

 

[Arkaign]

Even at Micro Center it's a bit tough to get close. Let's see for the hell of it (for a gamer that doesn't GAF about watching blurays lol).

Cheapo case w/400W PSU : $35
DVDRW : $17
750ti 2GB : $130AR
FX6300 : $110
Gigabyte AM3+ Mobo w/USB3.0 : $10 with CPU purchase
8GB DDR3 : $65
500GB HDD : $45
Cheapo KB/Mouse : $20
Windows 8 OEM $90

$522! Add in a BDROM and Wireless Gaming controller is about another $100. That combo (FX6300+8GB+750ti) will play some games better than PS4/Xbone (BF4), and some games probably worse, but close enough not to matter. What does matter is that many games simply won't ever be on PC (and a few vice versa).

Sure you save with cheap online and Steam sales, it all sort of balances out. If someone has a decent PC with an i5/i7/etc already for general use, then adding a GPU and ram can be cheaper than buying a console.

As for me, I'm not either/or. PC + Console please The consoles are a great value honestly. PCs can also be a fantastic value, but only if you know what you're doing. It's FAR too easy for someone with no clue to buy an off the shelf pile of crap from Walmart and then be hopelessly unable to get decent performance in terms of gaming from it. Or worse, they get something like that and then buy a R280 or something that won't even fit in the case, and the stock PSU has no PCIe power connectors/etc.

It's 2014, it's really time for people bashing PCs or bashing consoles to stop. They both have their pros and cons for sure.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I look at that $522 and think automatically, I can do infinitely more with it than either of those consoles, and the games will be cheaper overall as well. People who don't get that PC's aren't expensive think everyone buys $500 graphics cards. You barely need them with the ancient hardware that games are based off of.

 

[Arkaign]

I look at that $522 and think automatically, I can do infinitely more with it than either of those consoles, and the games will be cheaper overall as well. People who don't get that PC's aren't expensive think everyone buys $500 graphics cards. You barely need them with the ancient hardware that games are based off of.

Well of course Heapsmacks of stuff can be done on PC that can't be done on consoles, but then again, Destiny, Red Dead, Forza, TLOU, yadda yadda.

Best of both worlds. I'd never give up PC or consoles unless I was forced to in some way. Zealots of either side have no clue what they're missing honestly.

 

[zerocool84]

I look at that $522 and think automatically, I can do infinitely more with it than either of those consoles, and the games will be cheaper overall as well. People who don't get that PC's aren't expensive think everyone buys $500 graphics cards. You barely need them with the ancient hardware that games are based off of.

And then in three to four years you'll have to spend another couple hundred because you're not going to be able to play games at that rez anymore. Plus, I don't know about you but I enjoy playing games with friends when they come over. Don't do that on a PC.

 

[Lil Frier]

Even at Micro Center it's a bit tough to get close. Let's see for the hell of it (for a gamer that doesn't GAF about watching blurays lol).

Cheapo case w/400W PSU : $35
DVDRW : $17
750ti 2GB : $130AR
FX6300 : $110
Gigabyte AM3+ Mobo w/USB3.0 : $10 with CPU purchase
8GB DDR3 : $65
500GB HDD : $45
Cheapo KB/Mouse : $20
Windows 8 OEM $90

$522! Add in a BDROM and Wireless Gaming controller is about another $100. That combo (FX6300+8GB+750ti) will play some games better than PS4/Xbone (BF4), and some games probably worse, but close enough not to matter. What does matter is that many games simply won't ever be on PC (and a few vice versa).

Sure you save with cheap online and Steam sales, it all sort of balances out. If someone has a decent PC with an i5/i7/etc already for general use, then adding a GPU and ram can be cheaper than buying a console.

As for me, I'm not either/or. PC + Console please The consoles are a great value honestly. PCs can also be a fantastic value, but only if you know what you're doing. It's FAR too easy for someone with no clue to buy an off the shelf pile of crap from Walmart and then be hopelessly unable to get decent performance in terms of gaming from it. Or worse, they get something like that and then buy a R280 or something that won't even fit in the case, and the stock PSU has no PCIe power connectors/etc.

It's 2014, it's really time for people bashing PCs or bashing consoles to stop. They both have their pros and cons for sure.

My statement wasn't to bash, just to kind of say that the point was valid. I mean, for a console to be reasonably viable for gaming, you've got to add $60 for the Xbox LIVE Gold as well (unless you're a Bing Rewards user). That, and I admittedly forget the OS cost a lot. I got my OS for free through school (CS majors can get Windows Vista, 7, or 8 for free), so that's not a part of my cost, haha.

I'd say the initial cost for a usable PC will be $50-100 more than a console, but you'll make that up almost instantly because of sales and the backlog of games.

But you're also right that there's no reason to bash one or the other. I've got a PC, and I've got a One (though almost all of my gaming is done on the One).

 

[cmdrdredd]

And then in three to four years you'll have to spend another couple hundred because you're not going to be able to play games at that rez anymore. Plus, I don't know about you but I enjoy playing games with friends when they come over. Don't do that on a PC.

This is why I have two PCs and we can do a little network gaming that way. One is pretty ancient when compared to what I have in my Sig but it works for most things just fine.

Anyway there's not a lot of local MP stuff released anymore for any system. All the focus is online these days.

 

[Arkaign]

This is why I have two PCs and we can do a little network gaming that way. One is pretty ancient when compared to what I have in my Sig but it works for most things just fine.

Anyway there's not a lot of local MP stuff released anymore for any system. All the focus is online these days.

We all know why this is the case, but I find it sad even so. Some of the best times I've ever had with gaming have been local GTGs with locally networked games. You can kind of do it with everyone connecting online at a common site, but that brings up a ton of new issues (getting your group into the same game, staying on that server, being on the right teams for coop or competitive play, lag, and even internet speed limitations of having everyone on the same connection).

Firing up a local MP game, and having ten friends at a network party having a blast on a local server was hilarious fun.

 

[purbeast0]

We all know why this is the case, but I find it sad even so. Some of the best times I've ever had with gaming have been local GTGs with locally networked games. You can kind of do it with everyone connecting online at a common site, but that brings up a ton of new issues (getting your group into the same game, staying on that server, being on the right teams for coop or competitive play, lag, and even internet speed limitations of having everyone on the same connection).

Firing up a local MP game, and having ten friends at a network party having a blast on a local server was hilarious fun.

i never did local LAN players, but i had tons of fun as a kid playing 4 player bomberman or 2 player mario kart on snes. 4 player halo, goldeneye, etc. those were all great.

but now a days most of my real life friends don't even game, and the ones that do, don't have much time other than at night on weekdays just because everyone is busy. so i'm fine with the online stuff being the focus.

there are still A LOT of fighting game gatherings and it's only gotten bigger. my desire to go to them though has dwindled a lot because i don't have the time to get better at these games, so i just play them online. and i'm glad they have focused on online aspect in these games, because killer instinct is incredible online. i can play people in california (i'm in MD) and it feels like we're in the same room playing the game lag wise. and it's incredible because the game is VERY fast paced.

 

[toughtrasher]

i never did local LAN players, but i had tons of fun as a kid playing 4 player bomberman or 2 player mario kart on snes. 4 player halo, goldeneye, etc. those were all great.

but now a days most of my real life friends don't even game, and the ones that do, don't have much time other than at night on weekdays just because everyone is busy. so i'm fine with the online stuff being the focus.

there are still A LOT of fighting game gatherings and it's only gotten bigger. my desire to go to them though has dwindled a lot because i don't have the time to get better at these games, so i just play them online. and i'm glad they have focused on online aspect in these games, because killer instinct is incredible online. i can play people in california (i'm in MD) and it feels like we're in the same room playing the game lag wise. and it's incredible because the game is VERY fast paced.

Mario Kart with my friends taking turns doing split screen was one of my favorite local multiplayer racing games of all time. Goodness the memories