X800GTO Specs Inside

[ronnn]

I also tend to skip generations, as I am cheap. I am sure the 5900xt is fine as my ancient 9700pro is playing all games very nicely (by my standards). I did pick up an x800xt pe refurb (is in the mail). But that was out of my total cheapness. Am hoping that this gives my agp system another few months (maybe even a year)! Big enough savings to get me a nice large wide screen lcd maybe. So we are both hypocrites - I bought a conventionally named card and you aren't buying anyhows.

edit: I just assumed the renaming thing, was somewhat like the refurb thing - a way around price protection or just face savings for those who paid top dollars just a month ago. But I am a cynic.

 

[rbV5]

WHile it isn't good for ATI, the consumer can get the same chip with a different name for a lower price.

What makes you think its bad for ATI? They've probably been holding back chips for some time now, and have to get them through the channel now. Actually, now instead of buying a x600/X700 or even 6600 cards, you can be looking at X800 and 6800 cards for around the same price, and ATI has cards to definately compete with 6600GT which has been making a killing at its pricepoint.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: ronnn
I also tend to skip generations, as I am cheap. I am sure the 5900xt is fine as my ancient 9700pro is playing all games very nicely (by my standards). I did pick up an x800xt pe refurb (is in the mail). But that was out of my total cheapness. Am hoping that this gives my agp system another few months (maybe even a year)! Big enough savings to get me a nice large wide screen lcd maybe. So we are both hypocrites - I bought a conventionally named card and you aren't buying anyhows.

edit: I just assumed the renaming thing, was somewhat like the refurb thing - a way around price protection or just face savings for those who paid top dollars just a month ago. But I am a cynic.

Lol...good times. Naw your 9700 will walk all over my card in DX9 games. My card might edge out in OGL thats about it

What makes you think its bad for ATI? They've probably been holding back chips for some time now, and have to get them through the channel now. Actually, now instead of buying a x600/X700 or even 6600 cards, you can be looking at X800 and 6800 cards for around the same price, and ATI has cards to definately compete with 6600GT which has been making a killing at its pricepoint.

Like i said it is good for us, the consumer, and it does cover more price points. But it also negates the need for cards such as the X700's or the in the GTO's case the (X800, X800GT, X800SE)... the way i see it is stealing the sales they would have from other cards. As i said, the best way i can say this is walking all over themselves.

-Kevin

Edit: I do plan on buying a 7800GT (EVGA) right now unless ATI comes out with something significantly better (price/performance)

 

[KristopherKubicki]

It is good to see that the big guys are still here

I am the world's greatest lurker

Kristopher

 

[rbV5]

Edit: I do plan on buying a 7800GT (EVGA) right now unless ATI comes out with something significantly better (price/performance)

I'd say you were due for an upgrade, although I don't believe for a second you would consider an ATI based board

I think not getting products into the channel is far more "walking all over themselves" than releasing a variety of cards (that are obviously in various states of availability btw) to reduce uneeded inventory.

Those of us waiting on ATI based motherboard's are experiencing the exact opposite, Not much variety of parts in the channel (good prices though thanks to competitors products) with a long tease of what we should have...I'd rather have too many choices than not enough.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

lots of stupid fukcs crying for nextgen cards. stfu and wait. its done when its done. not like NV throwing out benchmark wonders and when u have them ur wondering about the shimmering textures..now thats annoying.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Why wouldn't i consider an ATI based board. If you are referring to the fact that i bought the 5900XT which was much worse than any of ATI's cards at the time, your wrong. I bought this card when the 9800Pros were significantly more expensive. Also, i needed the VIVO functions. Im not quite sure exactly what you mean so ill keep going. As for Motherboard, you are right. Unless Nvidia makes some fatal screw up i will not change. First of all not because the board is ATI, (they dont have much of a reputation yet in chipsets, i didn't buy the first nforce board, in fact i bought one of the last), it is more due to the ULI southbridge. I wouldn't say they are bad board by any means i just prefer the Nvidia based boards as far as motherboards (VIA is unstable, and i alrady gave views on ULI).

I think you misunderstand walking all over. I mean they are stepping on their own toes per se. They keep releasing products that are really hurting the sales of their other ones. Their cards are overlapping too much.

As for the motherboards, i read somewhere that manf aren't in a hurry to adopt the ATI motherboards. They are content with sales now, which seems like a lame excuse. These new ATI boards though look very promising despite the ULI chipset.

-Kevin

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
lots of stupid fukcs crying for nextgen cards. stfu and wait. its done when its done. not like NV throwing out benchmark wonders and when u have them ur wondering about the shimmering textures..now thats annoying.

Thanks for the nickname. I find it hard to believe that i an stupid, when RBV Ronn and i are having an excellent discussion.

You do realize we have made it almost this ENTIRE thread without bringing up ATI vs. Nvidia or "Lets flame a company".

Get the hell out of this thread and leave us alone. Im sure all of us are quite content with the way we are debating right now.

-Kevin

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

do u start all of ur excellent discussions like this

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
How many more times is ATI going to walk all over themselves!?

<---- BS

This is getting ridiculous.

<---- flame war attack n1.

Release the next gen cards already.

-Kevin

<---- kiddy crying in the toy store.


Kev, if u dont want shimmering textures, buy ATI. It`s worth. And they have Vivo, u know? That whats missing in the 6800GTs...

 

[nRollo]

Need me to point out what's missing on ATI cards Blingbling?

BTW- nice spin:
"Wah 6800GTs have no VIVO"

Big deal. 6600s do, and 7800s do, last I checked there was no law a VIVO solution had to be provided at every step of the product line? :roll:

 

[Gamingphreek]

That is the worst attempt at flaming i have ever seen.

Please, prove that this is BS. You can claim all this crap but you don't have the brains or the balls to back it up.

Flame war attack. I told you to stop bringing up ATI vs. Nvidia in every thread.... yet you continue to do. Your welcome is beginning to wear out. Im sure no one would care if the poor little kid who got ahold of his parents computer got banned.

Your last response is just plan stupid. There is no other way to describe it.

When have i complained at all about shimmering textures. When did i say that ATI didn't have VIVO. When did i even say the words Nvidia or 6800GT's in any of my posts in this thread before you came??

Pwned... now get the hell out of this thread so the smarter/older people can go back to talking about other things in a civil manner.

-Kevin

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

@gaming: u can claim crap, so why cant i? I mean can u backup ur own sh1t?
"They keep releasing products that are really hurting the sales of their other ones. Their cards are overlapping too much." Spoken like a finance expert. a truely older/smarter one. But seriously, isnt that just blabla? Did that come to ur mind in the supermarket yesterday when u were so undecided bout what yogurt to buy? And i mentioned the 6800gt, cuz u were talking bout the 98pro having no Vivo.

@Rollo: there is no rule bout vivo. and there is no rule to avoid critizing NV for the lack of that feature. Its a good card but it suffers from shimmering textures and no-Vivo. ask gamingphreek, he knows how that pisses a number of ppl off. they will start complaining and buy similiar cards that do have better value.

and gaming, to use the words pwned and smarter/older in one sentence is....funny

 

[Gamingphreek]

I backed my "crap" up. It is basic economics. This is the same situation as the Geforce 4 Ti's. Do you think Nvidia got a lot of 4400 or 4600 sales. No, the chips were too similiar. The 4200 stole most of the profits. In ATI's case, as i said, there are 4 chips all relatively the same with some small clockspeed differences. If you have 2 chips and both sell to 100 people. By adding 2 more SKU's of that same chip, do you think 200 more people are going to come? No the original (give or take a few) are going to shift and divide out between the products. While this is good for the consumer it is bad for ATI.

As for the VIVO. I never said that the 9800Pro didn't have it. I said at the time i bought my card the 9800Pro with VIVO (AIW for the most part) was far too expensive. Im sure there were 9800Pros with VIVO. I was not taking a pot shot at ATI (as you attempt to stir up trouble again). As for the 6800GT, what do you want me to do, cry. I could care less if it has VIVO or not. I used it back then and can no longer use it (no longer have a need with an HTPC). Back then however, it swayed my decision.

Ooooh you got me. I said Pwned for like the 3rd time ever, oh no. I personally dont like the words, but hey it worked right there.

-Kevin

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
@Rollo: there is no rule bout vivo. and there is no rule to avoid critizing NV for the lack of that feature. Its a good card but it suffers from shimmering textures and no-Vivo. ask gamingphreek, he knows how that pisses a number of ppl off. they will start complaining and buy similiar cards that do have better value.

OK Blingbling, I hereby criticize ATI for lack of:
EXR HDR
SM3
Linux drivers that work
Soft Shadows in Riddick
FP blending
a competitive product to the 6800GT SLI combo
a competitive product to the 6800U SLI combo
a competitive product to the 7800GT SLI combo
a competitive product to the 7800GTX SLI combo
a competitive product to the 7800GT
a competitive product to the 7800GTX
ethics- as evidenced by their recent $900,000 insider trading fines and multitude of lawsuits pending for the same

I can't even notice the shimmering when I game and neither did every review site in the world except one German site that uses meaningless 10X7 8X Quality AF videos to illustrate it. There's no game in the world that a 7800GTX can't run at 16X12 8XAF (and probably 16X) high quality.

I have confidence in nVidia's driver team, and that they will fix this "problem" that you've never seen and therefore can't comment on.

There's no "bling" in your 2003 tech ATI card Bling bling- it's more blong. Maybe you should change you name to BlongBlong?

 

[Gamingphreek]

There's no "bling" in your 2003 tech ATI card Bling bling- it's more blong. Maybe you should change you name to BlongBlong?

I read that and a burst out laughing lol!

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

gaming: u dont know a sh1t about basic enconomics. ATI does, here are some numbers from last quarters: http://www.jonpeddie.com/about/press/MarketWatch_Q205.shtml

@rollo, good points. except for the driver team idea, why didnt they fix it in the 6800 series already? No rule for fixing that?

 

[Gamingphreek]

Why dont i know anything about economics. Also why would i care about numbers from last quarter. These chips were released this quarter Additionally, no enthusiast really cares about your standard integrated graphics.

-Kevin

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
gaming: u dont know a sh1t about basic enconomics. ATI does, here are some numbers from last quarters: http://www.jonpeddie.com/about/press/MarketWatch_Q205.shtml

@rollo, good points. except for the driver team idea, why didnt they fix it in the 6800 series already? No rule for fixing that?

We don't really care much on an enthusiast board how ATI rules the IGP market, no one here would ever own an ultra low end IGP parts. ATI lost $9,000,000 while gaining this low end market share.

As far as the 6800s go, no clue, but they've stated they're working on it now. It really is not very noticeable.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
LOL!! You could find a tasty morsel in a pile of crap couln't you....

That was uncalled for.

Uncalled for? That can only mean you didn't understand it. It was a compliment.
Keep it Red always seems to look at the bright side. Silver lining. Light at the end of the tunnel.

Pile of crap = when things don't necessarily go your way and there is opposition.

Tasty morsel = The positive attitude he takes.

Was it crude? Of course. But a compliment none the less.

And you thought I was insulting him didn't you... tsk tsk tsk.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Rollo


OK Blingbling, I hereby criticize ATI for lack of: .......


I have confidence in nVidia's driver team, and that they will fix this "problem" that you've never seen and therefore can't comment on.

Well now that you are finished with the repetative ati rant, you have to stop and admit that these new sku's are a nice deal and will force nvidia to drop prices in lower segments or develop even more fantastic drivers. :wine:

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Rollo


OK Blingbling, I hereby criticize ATI for lack of: .......


I have confidence in nVidia's driver team, and that they will fix this "problem" that you've never seen and therefore can't comment on.

Well now that you are finished with the repetative ati rant, you have to stop and admit that these new sku's are a nice deal and will force nvidia to drop prices in lower segments or develop even more fantastic drivers. :wine:

He pointed out what was "missing" to him (VIVO on 6800GTs) I pointed out what was "missing" to me (my list). Seems fair.

I honestly don't care if ATI "releases" a "new" SM2 card every hour on the hour, the only thing I want to see from them is the R520 line.

 

[rbV5]

Why wouldn't i consider an ATI based board. If you are referring to the fact that i bought the 5900XT which was much worse than any of ATI's cards at the time, your wrong.

The 5900XT was far from worse than any ATI card at the time, it had better performance than all but ATI's top cards, I nearly got one myself. No, you wouldn't consider an ATI card because you are only going to upgrade a single card and you have an obvious preference for Nvidia...no brainer there.

First of all not because the board is ATI, (they dont have much of a reputation yet in chipsets, i didn't buy the first nforce board, in fact i bought one of the last), it is more due to the ULI southbridge

LOL, and here I'm waiting for a board with the ULI southbridge . I have a couple Nforce2 boards I'm using every day and I do like them, but I like my RS480 quite a lot. The onboard graphics along with my dual- head card is an awesome setup, and its very stable and a very easy build. ATI has great Chipsets, and a modular southbridge makes it pretty flexable...now there just needs to be more to choose from.

They keep releasing products that are really hurting the sales of their other ones. Their cards are overlapping too much.

Cmon, your just making that up.

Additionally, no enthusiast really cares about your standard integrated graphics.

Well, thats not really true. There are many enthusiasts I know that are interested in integrated graphics, myself included. There's a large user base out there that cares little about having the fastest 3D graphics, but want a quality graphic solution nontheless. ATI's IGP has some very compelling features.

He pointed out what was "missing" to him (VIVO on 6800GTs)

VIVO is MIA on the entire 6800 line not just the GT. That leaves quite a gap between the 6600 cards and the 7800 cards if you want VIVO functions, it is a good point in that respect.

 

[Gamingphreek]

The 5900XT was far from worse than any ATI card at the time, it had better performance than all but ATI's top cards, I nearly got one myself. No, you wouldn't consider an ATI card because you are only going to upgrade a single card and you have an obvious preference for Nvidia...no brainer there.

Lol, are you trying to tell me that i am wrong? Are you trying to tell me that the reason i bought the card is wrong? This is a no arguer. I said the 9800's were out of my price range, and i needed VIVO. How can you tell me that the reason i bought a card is wrong.

LOL, and here I'm waiting for a board with the ULI southbridge . I have a couple Nforce2 boards I'm using every day and I do like them, but I like my RS480 quite a lot. The onboard graphics along with my dual- head card is an awesome setup, and its very stable and a very easy build. ATI has great Chipsets, and a modular southbridge makes it pretty flexable...now there just needs to be more to choose from.

Never said they didn't. Im just set in my ways per se. If ATI brings something out that wows me, or people begin to widely adopt their chipset sure ill switch. I have one of their first chipsets running right now and it works like a charm. (1.6A P4 on ATI RS something cant remember, but it was one of the first gen boards i think)

Cmon, your just making that up.

Are you joking. If you are "ha ha". If you aren't you cant make this up. I say AGAIN they have 4 cards with nearly identical specifications, that is what you call overlapping :roll:

Well, thats not really true. There are many enthusiasts I know that are interested in integrated graphics, myself included. There's a large user base out there that cares little about having the fastest 3D graphics, but want a quality graphic solution nontheless. ATI's IGP has some very compelling features.

As Rollo said, this is an enthusiast board, and we are discussing enthusiast parts. I said that ATI's mid-high range cards are overlapping and it is hurting sales. Bing then quoted that Nvidias sales have increased in the integrated segment. For the sake of this argument that doesn't matter.

I dont know why you are sitting here accusing me and trying to catch me in a lie or something!? Right now, i am waiting for ATI to release their next gen cards. WHen they are released i will compare the 7800GT and whatever card they have and will decide which one suits my needs. Since my computer is in my room i need something quiet and that uses little power, while it remains fast. Whichever card comes closest to fulfilling those ill buy it. Plain and simple. Enough of these accusations.

-Kevin

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Rollo


Sheesh, Ronnn. They've said they've isolated the problem and are working on it.

At the settings you run at with 7800s the "problem" is barely noticeable, I actually had to look for it.

Notice how only one German website brought this to light? Why weren't Anand, H, B3d, FS, Extreme Tech etc. all putting "OMG! nVidia's new GPU is unusable!" in their reviews, or even mentioning it? Maybe they didn't even notice it?

Barely noticable to you, isnt the same for everyone else. If you dont keep your drivers on High Quality, its much, much more noticable.

Other English speaking sites have brought it up, with the 6800 cards. Why does it matter what language they speak? There are plenty of good non-English speaking sites out there. I know for a fact that HardOCP noticed it, because Brent has talked about it. In fact, I made a post the day I got my 7800GTX (7/02), asking how to fix the shimmering in BF2. Who answered? Brent. Why didnt he bring it up in the reivew? You tell me, I dont know. The fact is, he knows about it. Doing tests in BF2 with the drivers on Quality, and not High Quality, you would have to be blind to not notice it.

 

[rbV5]

Lol, are you trying to tell me that i am wrong? Are you trying to tell me that the reason i bought the card is wrong?

I think your reading something into what I posted...no, I think you know why you bought the card, I'm not disputing that at all, and it was likely a very good choice. I simply said that you won't be getting an ATI card with your next purchase, and I don't believe you would even consider one.

Are you joking. If you are "ha ha". If you aren't you cant make this up. I say AGAIN they have 4 cards with nearly identical specifications, that is what you call overlapping

Who exactly is "they"? Look at what you can actually buy at any given time, not all boards are available in good supply all the time at the same pricepoint, and many vendors have long had many versions of the same card...Sapphire must have had 4) "different" 9800pro cards alone they were selling.

Where do you have any proof at all that these cards are hurting sales at all?

I dont know why you are sitting here accusing me and trying to catch me in a lie or something!?

Well aren't we just a little sensitive today? You said enthusiast aren't interested in integrated graphics, and you're just wrong. Enthusiasts run the gamut, its not just 3D gamers buying graphic cards or that are considered enthusiasts, thats your definition, but not THE definition.

All I said (somewhat tongue in cheek btw) is that you won't "really" consider an ATI graphics board for your next card...and you wont with 7800 cards around...duh, who are you trying to kid LOL.