The x1950pro has a much slower core (lower clocks and 25% less shaders), so it will be slower than the XT no matter how much vram you can slap on it. The higher resolution stresses the shaders just as much if not more than the video memory.
The x1950pro has a much slower core (lower clocks and 25% less shaders), so it will be slower than the XT no matter how much vram you can slap on it. The higher resolution stresses the shaders just as much if not more than the video memory.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: RussianSensation
i *missed* that
i am talking about *gamers* .. not worldwide users ... heck it's probably still a celeron in many countries
look at PCIe as an example ... 3 years ago *no body* had it ...today it is over half the market [and way over half of gamers have migrated]
and there was *nothing compelling* to move from AGP>PCIe - except clever marketing and an artificial attempt to push it
*this time* we DO have SW finally pushing HW ... again, finally ... the best systems *bog* with all details completely maxed on a high-resolution screen with the latest games
and it will only get *worse* ... uh, better ... as mainstream games utilize Quad-core
there is *finally* a REASON to upgrade with full DX10 games ... next year
it's still "my prediction"
Originally posted by: myocardia
Didn't anyone tell you that Skt. 754 had a much longer lifespan than Skt. 939?Originally posted by: Noema
My s754 A64 3200+ , for instance, is the biggest evolutionary dead-end since the Asthralopithecus RobustusIf only I had s939...
Yeah, but I got my 3200+ almost at the end of the plataform's life (february 2005). The problem is that I can't upgrade to X2 with s754; not even to one of the older FX chips, since all those (AFAIK those were s939 as well).
That's why it's a dead end...for me at least.
apoppin
Lifer
you have the possibility of a much higher clocked A64, don't you?
A64 3700+ is available for S754 isn't it? ... i thought the 'cut-off' was 3800 or so
that is a LOT faster than a64 3200+
much like my upgrade from P4 @3.31G to 3.74G ... rather worth it
A64 3700+ is available for S754 isn't it? ... i thought the 'cut-off' was 3800 or so
that is a LOT faster than a64 3200+
much like my upgrade from P4 @3.31G to 3.74G ... rather worth it
ViRGE
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The S754 3200+ was a 2.2ghz 512KB chip, the 3400+ a 2.4ghz 512KB chip, and the 3700+ a 2.4ghz 1MB chip. He really doesn't have anywhere to go.Originally posted by: apoppin
you have the possibility of a much higher clocked A64, don't you?
A64 3700+ is available for S754 isn't it? ... i thought the 'cut-off' was 3800 or so
that is a LOT faster than a64 3200+
much like my upgrade from P4 @3.31G to 3.74G ... rather worth it
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: ViRGE
The S754 3200+ was a 2.2ghz 512KB chip, the 3400+ a 2.4ghz 512KB chip, and the 3700+ a 2.4ghz 1MB chip. He really doesn't have anywhere to go.Originally posted by: apoppin
you have the possibility of a much higher clocked A64, don't you?
A64 3700+ is available for S754 isn't it? ... i thought the 'cut-off' was 3800 or so
that is a LOT faster than a64 3200+
much like my upgrade from P4 @3.31G to 3.74G ... rather worth it
how do they OC? .. doesn't the 'extra' cache and extra 200 Mhz of the 3700+ make enough of a performance difference over the 3200+ to justify the much higher rating?
i know a lot more about intel
and my simple CPU change ... effectively +400Mhz and +2MB level 3 cache made a *solid* improvement in my FPS
Originally posted by: apoppin
you have the possibility of a much higher clocked A64, don't you?
A64 3700+ is available for S754 isn't it? ... i thought the 'cut-off' was 3800 or so
that is a LOT faster than a64 3200+
much like my upgrade from P4 @3.31G to 3.74G ... rather worth it
Well, correct. But where I live...there's not a lot of availability in terms of hardware...finding a s754 3700+ would be an ordeal in and onto itself...
I will travel to the US this summer, to visit my relatives in Minnesota (my mom's American, from Michigan) and to shop for computer hardware. I don't know when I might be going there again so I have to seize the opportunity. That's why I'm looking at a full upgrade this time.
I'm sure that with 2GB of RAM, an OC'ed 3700+, and the X1950XT, my current rig would be quite competent...though I don't know how well it would perform t 1680x1050, which is my 22"'er's main res. But another problem is that I'd need to buy 2x1GB RAM because my mobo only has 2 slots. And I have 2X512MB at the moment. And I'd also need a new PSU.
So I might as well upgrade the whole thing...the truth is that the upgrade bug has biten me and only new hardware can cure that...and this is the perfect excuse
apoppin
Lifer
of course .. a complete makeover makes sense ... enjoy your visit!
btw, i think you're "American" also
same continent
btw, i think you're "American" also
same continent
Hehe...thanks :beer:
btw, i think you're "American" also
same continent
Hehe...If only Newegg agreed with you...then they'd ship to were I live
That'd make my computer-hardware fueled addictions much more...bearable.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: apoppin
come on, use your head ... think about the "why" they are pushing AGP DX9 cards
For me and Appopin, and everyone else in the same boat. If they had released this 1 yr ago I would have bought it then same as now, and for the same reasons as Appopin and the other level headed posters have stated b4.
BTW anyone else gonna get one?
QueBert
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How long will be it be until you NEED a DX10 card to play DX10 games? I have an X800 which by most enthusiasts standards would be "old" sure I can't get all the eye candy on all the games, but I think the only 2 games that I can't play at all would be the latest Splinter Cell & R6: Vegas. I'd say my X800 still has a bit of life in it, I don't know if I'll see many more games in the near future like Splinter Cell either. I'd love a new card, I'd love a DX10 card, but DX10 will be useless for a good while still, and even when it is really here, not many games will take advantage of it.
DX10 AGP cards will be expensive, but I'm not going to agree with people who say they are way too expensive for crap performance. A decent MB with PCI-E alone will cost me much more than the price difference between a AGP 1950xt and the PCI-E counterpart. I'd be willing to bet I could get 2 AGP upgrades out of my current MB and still have spent less then a good new MB would cost me.
I was actually ordering a Lanparty Crossfire off Newegg today for 80 bucks to take the PCI-E leap and they literately sold out while I was trying to check out hahah
People said the same thing about SM3, and look how little use that feature brought to the first gen SM3 cards. Five months from the launch of the g80, and still not a single DX10 game. And unless Nvidia's DX10 AGP card is at least as fast as the x1950xt AGP, then DX10 compatibility is even more useless in a card of that range.
Originally posted by: apoppin
the *only* game that requires - or show a huge advantage with DC - is SC
[period] ... AND it also makes very good use of the 3rd core ... maybe 4th in demanding scenes with big armies
and i don't want cheap DDR2 or a cheapass MB or a dead-end DualCore CPU ...
just to say i have the "latest" ... that doesn't have much PRACTICAL advantage in GAMES
:thumbsdown:
it costs a LOT for a decent complete upgrade
and i can *afford* to wait to see what DX10 AGP RV630XTX brings to the table
[12,000 in 3DMark06 looks nice]
then i could wait another 6 months or so
[probably not]
but AGP is 'viable' for gamers ... so far
So true : )
apoppin
Lifer
Please *do* tell us ... what is in your rig?
:Q
--are you just jealous that we spent money to upgrade our rigs
-- and especially irritated that we got *satisfaction*?
:lips:
:roll:
that's just it some of us do have the money to spend on these sort of things...and while I'll be doing the transition to a PCI-E DX10 card after R600 is released, I'll probably still buy an AGP DX10 card for my A64 rig that has become second place to my new shiny E4300 AGP setup...
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CONTRQWESTION:
For what people are buying C2D or CQ's or x2 FX and so... ?
Just couple games are supporting x2 CPU but all of us trying to get as high as possible.
So do i, i will waithing for Dx10 card with SH4 support for AGP, it's comming.....
PS: for some of NONJEALOUS guys(APOPPIN):
I got: P4E PRESCOT 3.4 GH>4.05 GH 3GIG CORSAIR 2-3-2-6 CM ePower 600W PSU,
ASUS P4P800 SE, ZALMAN's CNPS7700-CU CPU HS and FAN+3 120MM case fans,
Sony's DRU820@830 , ATI 9800PRO (which plaus 99% of games) and THERMALTAKE
ARMOR Jr. silver ALUMINUM case with RAID 0 2x500GB WD HDD.
ummm computers just aren't for playing games...
I use mine for encoding DVD's and MP3's as well, my new C2D does the job in half the time of my single core A64...not to mention that windows performs a hell of lot better with multiple applications open.
Many people need multi core CPU's for work related tasks...so your arguement is pointless.
oh..and even at stock speeds my E4300 would leave your P4 for dead in single threaded applications as well....another reason to upgrade right there.
Well just ordered it from newegg... So back on topic I guess.
I'll post benches as soon as I get it.
I'll post benches as soon as I get it.
apoppin
Lifer
you have been saying this same nonsense since December ... four long weary months of you babbling the exact same thing
since December 1st, i have been *enjoying* my x1950p ... played through Gothic3, Fable LC, DM M&M, PREY, NWN2, Vampire: Masquerade, Knights of the Nine, FEAR's Expansion Point, and right now ...
i am enjoying STALKER at nearly *maxed* setting at 14x9 ...
that is *4 months* with a x1950p over my x850xt
a $150 net upgrade
:roll:
the *extra* i spent was toward my next upgrade - a PS to *insure* i would have no further problems with my pro
that's all
... and you are STILL waiting ... with a decent rig with an *ancient* 9800p that is best suited for 10x7 at *low* details
"plays 99% of games" shows you are in denial
i'm sorry, but i am a gamer .... and not a *broke-ass* gamer. I spend a LOT of money on my games and i would not put up with *that* ancient GPU in an OTHERWISE nice rig - just because i was waiting for a DX10 card that will be too weak to play "full DX10" games - late next year ... talk about planning for something that is guaranteed to be obsolete very quickly ... you will again have the equivalent of your current rig ... and quad core games will kill it completely.
:roll:
you are an extreme case of 'too little too late' ... "saving" money means you *lose* all around.
:thumbsdown:
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