so does mine ... i am 100% satisfied with performance in say ... STALKER ... Expansion Point ... PREY and all the other new games i playOriginally posted by: swtethan
My machine does what I need it to do, which is play games @ max settings @ 100fps+ I recently sold my old system and so I decided to get some new gear, why not go next gen?
I wont need to switch mobo to go quad core either
I have gamed with a HIS 1950pro agp also, and I can tell a difference.
turn on the 8xAA + 16xAF and im goooood
Originally posted by: swtethan
just a 19" 1280x1024
I might wanna buy a 20+ on black friday hmmmmm
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: swtethan
just a 19" 1280x1024
I might wanna buy a 20+ on black friday hmmmmm
overkill
thanks !
i just wanted *confirmation*
you will upgrade everything - all over again ... when i do
.
Originally posted by: swtethan
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: swtethan
just a 19" 1280x1024
I might wanna buy a 20+ on black friday hmmmmm
overkill
thanks !
i just wanted *confirmation*
you will upgrade everything - all over again ... when i do
overkill is what you say... I say it fits my wants. I am very happy about my system and youre trying to bring me down, you cant though
Originally posted by: apoppin
or maybe you did
there are two ways i can see to look at it
*most* of us here are gamers ... "video" ...
i am a gamer who upgrades on "need to" basis
--when my current games graphics and performance drop below my level of "satisfaction", i upgrade
now to me ... and this is *my* PoV ... the PCIe 8800 and Core2Duo are both "very nice" ... but don't offer practical significant performance improvement in games over midrange single-core x1950 AGP rigs on relatively small displays.
now i really believe - next year - when "games demand it" ... we are going to make a JUMP to mainstream multi-core and your GTS and Core2Duo on your BIG displays aren't gonna cut it *either*
so you will upgrade - twice - when i upgrade once
that IS how i look at it
if i guess *wrong* ... then i lose ... but you ARE spending double
for what i also consider an *interim* upgrade
... and putting up with a lot of *crap* with your GTS drivers and Vista ... i just happily game with no issues.
If only I had s939...Plus, my mobo has just two RAM slots. If I were to upgrade to 2GB, I'd need to buy 2GB (2x1GB DIMM), and dump the 2x512MB DIMMs I have right now.
Originally posted by: Noema
Originally posted by: apoppin
or maybe you did
there are two ways i can see to look at it
*most* of us here are gamers ... "video" ...
i am a gamer who upgrades on "need to" basis
--when my current games graphics and performance drop below my level of "satisfaction", i upgrade
now to me ... and this is *my* PoV ... the PCIe 8800 and Core2Duo are both "very nice" ... but don't offer practical significant performance improvement in games over midrange single-core x1950 AGP rigs on relatively small displays.
now i really believe - next year - when "games demand it" ... we are going to make a JUMP to mainstream multi-core and your GTS and Core2Duo on your BIG displays aren't gonna cut it *either*
so you will upgrade - twice - when i upgrade once
that IS how i look at it
if i guess *wrong* ... then i lose ... but you ARE spending double
for what i also consider an *interim* upgrade
... and putting up with a lot of *crap* with your GTS drivers and Vista ... i just happily game with no issues.
You make some good points, but not everyone here has the opportunity to jump to a nice P4EE appopin
My s754 A64 3200+ , for instance, is the biggest evolutionary dead-end since the Asthralopithecus Robustus
Plus...won't the Quad Core 2 chips work on current C2D s775 Mobos? That'll make upgrading next year much more bearable. And yearly video card upgrading...that's a fact of life. It's almost like another rent for many people here.
I'll jump to C2D/8800GTS this summer...not because I really want to...but because this is when I'm traveling to the US and it's my only chance to get the hardware at decent prices. I'd love to wait, but it's now or never for me.
And since I got my 22" LCD, my current rig might as well be a 386. I can't play anything recent on it anymore.
Originally posted by: apoppin
There is no argument here. Right now a plain 6600 256mb is good enough for my needs on a 19inch monitor, but both of you would find it inadequate. Upgrading is entirely dependent on each person's budget and preferences for resolutions, game quality settings etc. I am sure there are people on these boards who complain their 8800GTX runs *slow* and someone else is playing the same game with 7900GT and feels that the power is more than adequate.
Doubtful. It takes software on average 2 years to take full advantage of components. X2 came out 2+ years ago and still very few games on the whole benefit from dual core. I doubt my 3.4ghz Core2Duo will struggle when today 2.13ghz is enough to feed an 8800GTX.
so you will upgrade - twice - when i upgrade once
that IS how i look at it
if i guess *wrong* ... then i lose ... but you ARE spending double
for what i also consider an *interim* upgrade
I had similar old setup similar to yours which comprised of P4 2.6C@3.2ghz, 1gb ram, Abit IS7, sold it last summer for $275 US, added $500 and got 2gb DDR2, core2duo and new mobo and 6600 in Oct, 2006. In 2007, I'll sell the same components to a friend who'll have no idea about overclocking for $500+ (making the upgrade cost very small) because Core2Duo 3.4 will cost $250-300 alone.
With overclocking at your side, you can upgrade 2, 5, 10x if you want. As long as there are consumers that dont' know how to overclock and you can sell the technology to them by being a good salesperson: SATA2 is 300mb/sec vs. your ATA 133mb/sec (they get excited by hearing numbers
Originally posted by: RussianSensation
good to see you again ... you're the guy with the Radeon 8500 as late as last yearOriginally posted by: apoppin
There is no argument here. Right now a plain 6600 256mb is good enough for my needs on a 19inch monitor, but both of you would find it inadequate. Upgrading is entirely dependent on each person's budget and preferences for resolutions, game quality settings etc. I am sure there are people on these boards who complain their 8800GTX runs *slow* and someone else is playing the same game with 7900GT and feels that the power is more than adequate.
Doubtful. It takes software on average 2 years to take full advantage of components. X2 came out 2+ years ago and still very few games on the whole benefit from dual core. I doubt my 3.4ghz Core2Duo will struggle when today 2.13ghz is enough to feed an 8800GTX.
so you will upgrade - twice - when i upgrade once
that IS how i look at it
if i guess *wrong* ... then i lose ... but you ARE spending double
for what i also consider an *interim* upgrade
I had similar old setup similar to yours which comprised of P4 2.6C@3.2ghz, 1gb ram, Abit IS7, sold it last summer for $275 US, added $500 and got 2gb DDR2, core2duo and new mobo and 6600 in Oct, 2006. In 2007, I'll sell the same components to a friend who'll have no idea about overclocking for $500+ (making the upgrade cost very small) because Core2Duo 3.4 will cost $250-300 alone.
With overclocking at your side, you can upgrade 2, 5, 10x if you want. As long as there are consumers that dont' know how to overclock and you can sell the technology to them by being a good salesperson: SATA2 is 300mb/sec vs. your ATA 133mb/sec (they get excited by hearing numbers
of you forget that i will also sell my P4ee, 1.5GB PC3500 and x1950p ... next year when there are *still* AGP gamers upgrading to the games of 05-07 ... there is always a gamer a full upgrade cycle behind you ... unless you wait till it is completely useless.
also, when you buy "premium" components, they hold their value much longer ... i sold my 2.80c ... a decent OCer from Jan 04 ... to make my my EE upgrade "net $80" ... and i seriously doubt i will get less than $50 for it next year
now as to my *prediction* ... i really do believe that in 08 we will see a huge LEAP with DX 10 and multi-core ... using Unreal's latest engine it's now about "a year" to do a complete new game from scratch
and Supreme Commander uses 3 of 4 cores very efficiently ... there IS already a difference with Quad Core over Dual core ... it *portends* a very immediate future
it doesn't *matter* what AMD does ... intel is fully committed to Quad core
:Q
really
not long now ... next year ... QC ... mainstream ... you'll see
quote me on it
just for $200Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: RussianSensation
good to see you again ... you're the guy with the Radeon 8500 as late as last yearOriginally posted by: apoppin
There is no argument here. Right now a plain 6600 256mb is good enough for my needs on a 19inch monitor, but both of you would find it inadequate. Upgrading is entirely dependent on each person's budget and preferences for resolutions, game quality settings etc. I am sure there are people on these boards who complain their 8800GTX runs *slow* and someone else is playing the same game with 7900GT and feels that the power is more than adequate.
Doubtful. It takes software on average 2 years to take full advantage of components. X2 came out 2+ years ago and still very few games on the whole benefit from dual core. I doubt my 3.4ghz Core2Duo will struggle when today 2.13ghz is enough to feed an 8800GTX.
so you will upgrade - twice - when i upgrade once
that IS how i look at it
if i guess *wrong* ... then i lose ... but you ARE spending double
for what i also consider an *interim* upgrade
I had similar old setup similar to yours which comprised of P4 2.6C@3.2ghz, 1gb ram, Abit IS7, sold it last summer for $275 US, added $500 and got 2gb DDR2, core2duo and new mobo and 6600 in Oct, 2006. In 2007, I'll sell the same components to a friend who'll have no idea about overclocking for $500+ (making the upgrade cost very small) because Core2Duo 3.4 will cost $250-300 alone.
With overclocking at your side, you can upgrade 2, 5, 10x if you want. As long as there are consumers that dont' know how to overclock and you can sell the technology to them by being a good salesperson: SATA2 is 300mb/sec vs. your ATA 133mb/sec (they get excited by hearing numbers
of you forget that i will also sell my P4ee, 1.5GB PC3500 and x1950p ... next year when there are *still* AGP gamers upgrading to the games of 05-07 ... there is always a gamer a full upgrade cycle behind you ... unless you wait till it is completely useless.
also, when you buy "premium" components, they hold their value much longer ... i sold my 2.80c ... a decent OCer from Jan 04 ... to make my my EE upgrade "net $80" ... and i seriously doubt i will get less than $50 for it next year
now as to my *prediction* ... i really do believe that in 08 we will see a huge LEAP with DX 10 and multi-core ... using Unreal's latest engine it's now about "a year" to do a complete new game from scratch
and Supreme Commander uses 3 of 4 cores very efficiently ... there IS already a difference with Quad Core over Dual core ... it *portends* a very immediate future
it doesn't *matter* what AMD does ... intel is fully committed to Quad core
:Q
really
not long now ... next year ... QC ... mainstream ... you'll see
quote me on it
Begun, the quote wars have.
(I just wish I knew who wrote what.)
Anyway, minor correction: SupCom appears to use only two cores very efficiently; the benefits of quad core in that game are due to unloading fairly minor stuff to cores 3 and 4. But yeah, your point is still valid. SupCom makes dual core practically a requirement, and this will only increase.
Originally posted by: apoppin
good to see you again ... you're the guy with the Radeon 8500 as late as last year
Thanks
Makes sense. I just think when it comes to selling I'll have an easier time because I can pitch the idea of having 4-6 gigs of ram with 2 empty slots in my mobo and yours will be limited to 1.5 (unless one would replace the sticks) since all your slots are taken. I can sell the idea of having a 5 year upgrade option for PCIe and it's gonna be hard to tell someone to buy an AGP rig who just hears that PCIexpress is the big thing. Of course you mentioned there are going to be AGP gamers, a niche market when you sell, and that'll help you out a bit.
True. At the same time I dont think a person cares if you sold them an E6300 at 3.4ghz or an E6700 at 3.4ghz. At the end of the day the average person will only care for the top speed, and the system being stable. So why would I spend 2x more on a premium component to begin with? I've had a very hard time justifying that my Patriot PC3200 1gig kit 2-2-2-5 was among the best DDR1 on the market when I was selling my P4 system. The buyer only cared to run the system stock and the extra benefit was of no use to them.
I sure hope so because it's good for guys like you to use their systems and get their money's worth. It sucks to see consoles with games like Gears of War 1.5 years after 360's release and PC gamers had to wait 5 years for HL2, Stalker and what seems like forever for Unreal 3. So I tend to agree with you that you should buy upgrades only when you feel your system is slow. No point in running your games at 120 frames if you are personally comfortable with 40. Console gamers certainly don't care how fast the frame counter is in their games.
I think Intel has given a break to buyers this generation allowing them to upgrade to quad-core with a simple bios update for chipsets like 965. Normally Intel keeps changing chipsets very fast. I think a lot of people will consider getting a $300 quad core down the line.
What are the stats for dual-core adoption? I am not sure dual-core is mainstream yet. Does one define mainstream as affordable to the average person? Majority of users buying that part at the moment and its current market share? or Overall market share from all computers users in the world? I would be surprised if the majority of computer users are running anything faster than A64 3200+ right now with 1 gb of ram (pure estimate on my part though).
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