x1950XT released in AGP form

[happy medium]

Hers the link if you can get through

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814241049

Heres the card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814241049

Heres the website

http://www.gecube.com/products-detail.p...at_pid=9&prod_cat_id=166&prod_id=65116

Heres some information

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38288


High end AGP systems need only apply!

 

[Conky]

Yeah, and for 17 bucks less you can get a DX10 card that is quite a bit faster. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133193

Yeah, I know.. it's AGP and some people are happy to pay more for less as long as they don't have to completely upgrade. I used to think that too. :laugh:

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: Conky
Yeah, and for 17 bucks less you can get a DX10 card that is quite a bit faster. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133193

Yeah, I know.. it's AGP and some people are happy to pay more for less as long as they don't have to completely upgrade. I used to think that too. :laugh:

I think bang for buck a simple 269.00$ video card upgrade vs. A motherboard,ram,and video card upgrade is better. Don't forget the upgrade you made 6 months ago was much more exspensive. I'll take a guess motherboard....200.00$, ram at least 250.00$ and card like this one a 1950xtx 350.00$ Thats 700.00$ Who's the sucker? What games are duel core or direct x 10 now? NONE!

Edit: If your gonna thread crap ..Crap somewhere else!

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Conky
Yeah, and for 17 bucks less you can get a DX10 card that is quite a bit faster. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133193

Yeah, I know.. it's AGP and some people are happy to pay more for less as long as they don't have to completely upgrade. I used to think that too. :laugh:

Don't know what made you think differently than you used to, but it's all just relative to the situation a user is in. Got enough dough for the AGP X1950XT, but nowhere near enough for a whole system upgrade, then choices are limited. If you have the money set aside for a new system, then this card makes no sense as it will lock you into your AGP rig for that much longer.

Oh yeah, whoever buys this card!!!! Make sure your PSU can handle it BEFORE you even attempt to plug this puppy into your motherboard. Go to the manufacturer and see actual pwer requirements for this thing. For most of the AGP users, they will have to upgrade their PSU's, so the total cost of this X1950XT will cost quite a bit more than just the cost of the card. Take this into consideration.

 

[warpigeon]

I would think that the x1950pro will come down in price now. Agree?

 

[Keysplayr]

Depends on how well it's selling I would guess.

 

[conlan]

Originally posted by: warpigeon
I would think that the x1950pro will come down in price now. Agree?

Maybe, if the XT sells nearly as well as the Pro, and Pro sales taper off, it should drop.

 

[ViRGE]

Do my eyes deceive me, or is that a 3 slot card?

 

[nanaki333]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Conky
Yeah, and for 17 bucks less you can get a DX10 card that is quite a bit faster. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133193

Yeah, I know.. it's AGP and some people are happy to pay more for less as long as they don't have to completely upgrade. I used to think that too. :laugh:

Don't know what made you think differently than you used to, but it's all just relative to the situation a user is in. Got enough dough for the AGP X1950XT, but nowhere near enough for a whole system upgrade, then choices are limited. If you have the money set aside for a new system, then this card makes no sense as it will lock you into your AGP rig for that much longer.

they also sell mobos that support AGP & pcie that work great. i haven't tried the intel ones (roommate may be getting one though), but my friend has a s939 asrock that he used his 6800GT for and then upgraded to a 7950GT. it's upgradable to an AM2 and DDR2 memory. those boards only cost like $65.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Conky
Yeah, and for 17 bucks less you can get a DX10 card that is quite a bit faster. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133193

Yeah, I know.. it's AGP and some people are happy to pay more for less as long as they don't have to completely upgrade. I used to think that too. :laugh:

You said it yourself! AGP parts are niche products, so they compete outside of the normal price channels.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: ViRGE
Do my eyes deceive me, or is that a 3 slot card?

LOL...yeah, it looks like it. Its not like you were going to run crossfire with this puppy anyway though right?

I wonder if the cooler sounds like a jet engine, or as ATI finally stopped doing that.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: ViRGE
Do my eyes deceive me, or is that a 3 slot card?

That is just what I was thinking, I can give up two slots but not three I will have to go pro instead.

 

[Bateluer]

Why do we keep AGP on live support? The fastest AGP cards cost more than than slower PCIe parts.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: Conky
Yeah, and for 17 bucks less you can get a DX10 card that is quite a bit faster. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133193

Yeah, I know.. it's AGP and some people are happy to pay more for less as long as they don't have to completely upgrade. I used to think that too. :laugh:

I think bang for buck a simple 269.00$ video card upgrade vs. A motherboard,ram,and video card upgrade is better. Don't forget the upgrade you made 6 months ago was much more exspensive. I'll take a guess motherboard....200.00$, ram at least 250.00$ and card like this one a 1950xtx 350.00$ Thats 700.00$ Who's the sucker? What games are duel core or direct x 10 now? NONE!

Edit: If your gonna thread crap ..Crap somewhere else!

You're mostly talking crap though, since things don't cost nearly that much.
RAM for 2GB is about $122, half what you say. You can get a mobo also for half what you say.
And many games use dual core, and more are coming all the time. Not that it has anything to do with graphics cards or DX10.



But yes, in terms of upgrades, an X1950XT AGP is cheaper than getting something DX10 as well as a new mobo/RAM etc, and the other dude has to realise that a $20 "cheaper" 8800GTS is actually more expensive if you want to use those fancy DX10 features, since you need to get a copy of Vista as well.
The X1950XT is also not really all that much slower in many situations than the 8800GTS 320MB, so it's not a bad option.
No point in having a DX10 card now without a DX10 OS.

 

[happy medium]

This AGP card was *just* released. I 'm sure prices will drop some. It should be around 230/240$. That would put it lower then the 8800gts320 and it's performance is a little slower too. Supply and demand might kill the price drop though.

 

[Tegeril]

http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/14-241-049-03.jpg

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/vid...ps/2007/8800gts320/calibre88gts320.jpg

Separated at birth?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Why do we keep AGP on live support? The fastest AGP cards cost more than than slower PCIe parts.

*why?* because there is *demand*

some of us are gonna completely skip Core2Duo and head for QuadCore
[don't want those 'bastard' AGP/DDR MB boards that are as dead end as AGP]

my mini-upgrade simply gave me an "extra" year to put off my big upgrade

admittedly i spent WAAY over $250 for my x1950p because i had to upgrade my PS ... but then my $185 OCZ 850 is something i don't have to buy next year

the EE was just 'excess' ... a net $80 upgrade
:Q

and the +1GB RAM ... well that's to use my NewEgg preferred account ... what a deal!


and my CRT *coincidently* died at the SAME time ... so that's an LCD i also don't need - next year

so what if a $250 upgrade turned into over $750
:shocked:

[$400 of it is for NEXT year's *makeover* also]

i would have spent well over $1,500 for what i really wanted ... what you guys have
--and there just wouldn't be that much difference - IN GAMES on my LCD

DX10 is SO next year

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: Conky
Yeah, and for 17 bucks less you can get a DX10 card that is quite a bit faster. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133193

Yeah, I know.. it's AGP and some people are happy to pay more for less as long as they don't have to completely upgrade. I used to think that too. :laugh:

I think bang for buck a simple 269.00$ video card upgrade vs. A motherboard,ram,and video card upgrade is better. Don't forget the upgrade you made 6 months ago was much more exspensive. I'll take a guess motherboard....200.00$, ram at least 250.00$ and card like this one a 1950xtx 350.00$ Thats 700.00$ Who's the sucker? What games are duel core or direct x 10 now? NONE!

Edit: If your gonna thread crap ..Crap somewhere else!

You're mostly talking crap though, since things don't cost nearly that much.
RAM for 2GB is about $122, half what you say. You can get a mobo also for half what you say.
And many games use dual core, and more are coming all the time. Not that it has anything to do with graphics cards or DX10.



But yes, in terms of upgrades, an X1950XT AGP is cheaper than getting something DX10 as well as a new mobo/RAM etc, and the other dude has to realise that a $20 "cheaper" 8800GTS is actually more expensive if you want to use those fancy DX10 features, since you need to get a copy of Vista as well.
The X1950XT is also not really all that much slower in many situations than the 8800GTS 320MB, so it's not a bad option.
No point in having a DX10 card now without a DX10 OS.

You missed that part?

 

[apoppin]

the *only* game that requires - or show a huge advantage with DC - is SC
[period] ... AND it also makes very good use of the 3rd core ... maybe 4th in demanding scenes with big armies

and i don't want cheap DDR2 or a cheapass MB or a dead-end DualCore CPU ...
just to say i have the "latest" ... that doesn't have much PRACTICAL advantage in GAMES
:thumbsdown:

it costs a LOT for a decent complete upgrade

and i can *afford* to wait to see what DX10 AGP RV630XTX brings to the table
[12,000 in 3DMark06 looks nice]

then i could wait another 6 months or so

[probably not]

but AGP is 'viable' for gamers ... so far

 

[crystal]

I wonder how fast does this thing compares to the pro version? BTW, I really need to read these forums less, lest the upgrade bug bites me.

 

[apoppin]

compare the PCIe versions ... around 25% faster, i guess

 

[swtethan]

If this would have been out a month ago... I would have considered it. I guess ATI missed out.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: swtethan
If this would have been out a month ago... I would have considered it. I guess ATI missed out.

or maybe you did

there are two ways i can see to look at it

*most* of us here are gamers ... "video" ...

i am a gamer who upgrades on "need to" basis
--when my current games graphics and performance drop below my level of "satisfaction", i upgrade

now to me ... and this is *my* PoV ... the PCIe 8800 and Core2Duo are both "very nice" ... but don't offer practical significant performance improvement in games over midrange single-core x1950 AGP rigs on relatively small displays.

now i really believe - next year - when "games demand it" ... we are going to make a JUMP to mainstream multi-core and your GTS and Core2Duo on your BIG displays aren't gonna cut it *either*

so you will upgrade - twice - when i upgrade once

that IS how i look at it

if i guess *wrong* ... then i lose ... but you ARE spending double
for what i also consider an *interim* upgrade



... and putting up with a lot of *crap* with your GTS drivers and Vista ... i just happily game with no issues.

 

[swtethan]

I game with no issues on XP in about less than 70 days I am going to step up to a GTX since I bought this card @ a frys store for $459, its not going to be a very big difference. If in fact the 8900 comes out or a 8800 ultra...... I will get one of those.


The performance leap from my 3200+ and x800xl was HUGE.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: swtethan
I game with no issues on XP in about less than 70 days I am going to step up to a GTX since I bought this card @ a frys store for $459, its not going to be a very big difference. If in fact the 8900 comes out or a 8800 ultra...... I will get one of those.


The performance leap from my 3200+ and x800xl was HUGE.

so was the performance leap from my 2.80c and x850xt to 3.4EE and x1950p
... on my 14x9 display

i seriously doubt i would get much more noticeable improvement with your system on my display

and when your DualCore/8900GTX **bogs** - next year on games that are optimized for DX10 and Quad-Core, i will be upgrading with you



and IF your Display isn't at least 16x10, i'd say you overspent on your HW and underspent on your display