Wow nice benchmarks. Minimum 54 frames in F.E.A.R? Not bad at all. They should jack it up to 1280x1024. But then again this could all be speculation.
??? What are you talking about???
All I'm saying is we'll know everything about the 1900xtx before the nda expires at this rate, which is pretty cool.
if it can than lets see it. all i can find is this
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28347
Composite Figures 3Dmark 05
3DMark 05
ATI Crossfire 2x X1800XT 594/693 MHz
11167
that doesn't impress me at all, but back to the topic of this thread. the r580 seems to be the awesome chip that r520 "fudo" was susposed to be. all we heard for over a year was fudo this and fudo that. how it was going to be so awesome. then it finally "kinda" came to market and was slaughtered by the 7800 512 "ghost" card 2 days latter. Hopefully the r580 will actually be a hard launch and will hit 13k + on 3dmark05. Face it ati fans. 2005 is a year that ati would love to forget. If these numbers are true, and i have no reason to assume thay are not true, 2006 might be a better year for ati, and for the entire video card industry, but more importantly video card buyers.
If you really think two X1800XT's in crossfire is slower than your 7800GT in anything than I simply have to give you a :roll: If someone only got 11,000 with two X1800XT's overclocked when one will score 10,000 then they are doing something seriously wrong. Simple fact: the X1800XT single solution destroys the 7800GT single solution and the Crossfire X1800XT will defeat the 7800GT SLI but does have more bugs because it is still in its early stages. The R520 is only looked down on because it was late due to a third party issue. If it had come out on time in April - June '05 timeframe we would be having a whole different conversation. It isn't a technological failure in the sense as the card was flawed it was its release date due to third party silicon issues.
Disclaimer: And before cronic calls me a ATI fanboi chump, I own a BFG 7800GTX OC
really?
x1800xt are excellent 3dmark cards They may not be decent for Black and White 2 or call of duty or AOE3, but it seems to get very good 3dmark05 scores.
I guess you never heard of the OFFICAL futuremark ORB?
3DMark Score: 17099 Sampsa, Radeon X1800 CrossFire (www.muropaketti.co...
User: sampsa.kurri@muropaketti.com
Date: 2006-1-13
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 3400 MHz
GPU: ATI RADEON X1800, N/A / N/A
Display Driver: 6.14.10.6587
Driver Status: WHQL - FM Approved
3DMark Score: 16231 El<(')>Maxi -OC Forums- Crossfire
User: marks_box@hotmail.com
Date: 2006-1-16
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 3683 MHz
GPU: ATI RADEON X1800, N/A / N/A
Display Driver: 6.14.10.6587
Driver Status: WHQL - FM Approved
3DMark Score: 15862 [macci] easy all aircooled run ATI X1800XT CF
User: 586549
Date: 2006-1-14
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 3001 MHz
GPU: ATI RADEON X1800, N/A / N/A
Display Driver: 6.14.10.6587
Driver Status: WHQL - FM Approved
yes .. your sli gt is totally destroying the x1800xt crossfire steup :! ... Also nice finding a low 1100 3D2005 for x1800xt crossfire... 3D2005 are a joke now and you are one too
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_x1800_xt_crossfire/page11.asp
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_x1800_xt_crossfire/page12.asp
Bring on 3D Mark 2006
also crossfire + SLI are CPU limted
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Give me a break Cronic. If you post over at Xtreme you can't tell me you haven't read Sampsa's huge post about Crossfired X1800XT's. If you're going to be objective about it than you need to post overclocked results as well. Heck Sampsa's score with cards and FX-57 at stock are almost as good as your fully oced and watercooled results. With aircooling, Macci obliterated your score and with a little DI Sampsa gets about the same score as you with one X1800XT (see post #504).
You should check out the posts over there about the two guys who switched from a 512MB 7800GTX and SLI'd 7800 GTs to an X1800XT. They both said they felt like the games were smoother and the IQ was better and were both very happy with the switch. R520 looks pretty weak huh?
Back on topic- I agree with everyone else that they should have used a higher resolution and some AA/AF. Hopefully they'll rerun the benchmark with that in mind.
Thanks for the post Rollo. I've been following that thread over there but I hadn't seen the FEAR benchmark yet.
Those are great scores by 2 of the greatest overclockers out there, no question about it. However i only find those scores with 4 others (total of 6 on the 1800 platform) that are higher than my scores with the 7800gt sli. What does this mean? I guess there just arn't that many people with fudo and xfire. I wonder why? Maybe because fudo and crossfire were late to the dance? and missed there opputunity at the highend market. how many people are actually scrapping the sli boards for crossfire? not very many at all. This is why i said that the r580 might actually win some customers back, because fudo did not.
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Well now you're arguing over a different matter. From your earlier posts you were making disparaging remarks about R520's performance as indicated by the comparison with your SLI'd GTs. That is potently untrue as myself and others have proven. It seems that now you're saying that R520's failure was it's lateness to market, which I don't think anybody's arguing with. So which is it?
both, i would love to see some benchmarks from some fellow anandtechers with there crossfired 1800s. I'll probably be waiting a long time for that. I do hope that the r580 is a good competitive product, not that i will be buying it, but it only helps consumers if we have more choices and that will ultimatly raise the bar for everyone.
face it cronic ! you are in denial :! this just makes me want to buy a master card just to prove you wrong !
cronic your 3Dmark05 score is exceptional for dual 7800GTs, Xbit only got 10923, I don't see what your point is, you can use watercooling to overclock your GTs really far and get a high 3Dmark05 score. What does that have to do with the topic at hand?
denial about what? buy your master card and post some benchies. it won't hurt my feelings at all, but there are only 6 scores based on that chipset that are faster than my punny little 7800gts on the orb and none of them are by you.
thanks for the compilment on the score. i really didn't gain much at all in the overclocking department when i switched to water, but it would allow me more potential to raise the voltage if i so choose, still decieding on a hardware mod or not. as for the topic at hand i simply posted:
"looks like ati FINALLY has a decent card on there hands. took long enough."
followed by
"r520 is a joke........r580 is looking impressive, might even win some buyers back......but thats another topic all together."
then i was told this:
"Maybe cronic doesnt know that an x1800xt would hand his 7800 it's GT moniker back to him retitled as PG" by lavaheadache
i simply posted my score to show that the 7800gt sli would not have its GT moniker handed back to me retitled as PG
aS I have stated numerous times in this thread i think it is awesome that ati will finally have a good video card.
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I definitely wouldn't call the R520 a joke, but in some ways it left a lot to be desired. The same can be said about the Geforce 7 series.
Ok i can see that better IQ argument, but your other argument is pure BS. They can "feel" all they want, but hard qualitative comparisons dont lie. The 512, right now, is the undisputed leader (Good luck finding one though). Additionally, most of the time if Nvidia doesn't win at avg or max framerate, then they edge ahead at minimum framerate. Check out X-Bits review. Only some have that minimum comparison but when they do Nvidia normally edges ATI out.
Turteja i cannot believe you are making such a big deal about this. The guy simply wasn't impressed with the R520. Fine, let him be that way. But your weak arguments certainly aren't making you appear any smarter.
No matter what ATI says, there is no way a refresh product is going to average 100% performance gains. Perhaps at peak efficiency it is CAPABLE of 100% (like 20x15 MAX, you might get 15 instead of 8 or something).
At any rate this is going to be an interesting release. It will also be interesting to see how Nvidia responds. Personally, even though i bought a 7800GT, nothing really stuck out that was truly awe inspiring about it. Hopefully Nvidia will do something besides adding more of everything they already have. ANd hopefully they will do it before the beginning of March so i can step up
-Kevin
Ok i can see that better IQ argument, but your other argument is pure BS. They can "feel" all they want, but hard qualitative comparisons dont lie. The 512, right now, is the undisputed leader (Good luck finding one though). Additionally, most of the time if Nvidia doesn't win at avg or max framerate, then they edge ahead at minimum framerate. Check out X-Bits review. Only some have that minimum comparison but when they do Nvidia normally edges ATI out.
Turteja i cannot believe you are making such a big deal about this. The guy simply wasn't impressed with the R520. Fine, let him be that way. But your weak arguments certainly aren't making you appear any smarter.
No matter what ATI says, there is no way a refresh product is going to average 100% performance gains. Perhaps at peak efficiency it is CAPABLE of 100% (like 20x15 MAX, you might get 15 instead of 8 or something).
At any rate this is going to be an interesting release. It will also be interesting to see how Nvidia responds. Personally, even though i bought a 7800GT, nothing really stuck out that was truly awe inspiring about it. Hopefully Nvidia will do something besides adding more of everything they already have. ANd hopefully they will do it before the beginning of March so i can step up
-Kevin
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I guess my post may have been a little misleading. My point wasn't that the X1800XT has better frames than the Nvidia cards I mentioned (I've read plenty of reviews showing the opposite), but that there are in fact people in the world who have switched from the 7800 series cards to R520 and been very satisfied. Not only with fps but also with IQ. Cronic's statement about the R520 being a joke is simply untrue, except in the fact that it was so late to market. Performance wise it's a close 2nd to the fastest card out on the market.
Originally posted by: Matt2
What the hell?
Can we maybe see some scores that arent using liquid nitrogened CPUs?
the last one is all air, as said in the title...
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That clears it up
. I totally agree with you! You can hardly consider any of those cards a significant downgrade from the other.-Kevin
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