[X-bit Labs] Intel’s Haswell Could Be Last Interchangeable Desktop Microprocessors

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dma0991

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Well, I think we all are already OK with not having the choice of changing the GPU and RAM that is soldered onto our video cards. We just think of it differently, and that it's OK to simply buy another video card when it's time to upgrade.

I could envision the same mentality toward the motherboard/CPU/RAM combo, just being an integrated unit like the video card. It's a good parallel because the costs can be about the same for both the video card and the mobo/CPU/RAM.

So why do we accept integrated video card, but no integrated mobo/CPU/RAM? Aren't the arguments about choice the same when it comes to video cards? I want to be able to upgrade my GPU and video card ram separately, but that's not how things work for video cards, and we are happy with it. We just blow another $300-$500 on a new video card every 2 years and that's ok? Look at all the choices in combinations of GPU/RAM/cooler for video cards, couldn't the motherboard/RAM/CPU be the same way? Same model, same price, just a mental block against it?
Because a GPU has always been interchangeable for as long as I could tell since I've owned a RIVA TNT2. Unlike a motherboard, to my knowledge a GPU has been an add in card, not a motherboard.

Unlike VRAM, the RAM we use has different capacities for different usage scenarios. A basic PC may not need more than 2GB but a rig specifically for rendering, etc requires more RAM (8/16/32GB). This creates a problem as you would not only create different motherboard models for different CPUs, now you're creating more motherboard models with a particular CPU and differing RAM capacities. The current method implements modularity and reduces the need for creating a large number of models to cater to every user needs.

I disagree with the ideology of integrating every component like Apple does. IIRC there was a person who had a burnt USB on his 1 month old MBA. Oddly enough the warranty does not cover the damage. So instead of replacing the affected parts, he had to fork out a hefty sum to replace the entire MBA motherboard. The irony with that is the amount he had to pay costs more than a brand new MBA.

Now of course all laptop motherboards have USB ports integrated directly. But what if you have a faulty RAM? Faulty GPU? Remember, all of these components are integrated directly to the motherboard and no way of changing them without changing the motherboard itself. Which is why replacing a laptop motherboard is often more expensive than fixing a desktop.

This isn't about the frequency of changing hardware, its about the potential headaches that might occur if something breaks. TL;DR, understand this picture.
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exar333

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Doesn't sound too scary. The AIBs will now be selling MBs with CPUs and RAM attached. The plus side is that memory bandwidth will likely take a HUGE leap. IGPs will much more easily have a lot more memory bandwidth than they do today.

Maybe Intel saw this coming in 2009 when they split their enthusiast line from there consumer line. Eventually, there will be an option for enthusiasts to 'stay the course', but most consumer builds would be this new approach.

Really, memory capacity is the only thing that really matters for Intel these days anyways. Memory speed/bandwidth is plentiful for most applications, and there isn't a reason you couldn't continue to OC these as well. Coolers, SSDs, HDDs, etc will all still be the same.

Edit: keep in mind that the GPU was like this years ago. Before PCI/AGP/PCIE, you were stuck with the IGP or on-board GPU. Likely you still be able to pick and choose bwtween CPU/MB/RAM module and GPU module, plus all other peripherals.
 

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Because a GPU has always been interchangeable for as long as I could tell since I've owned a RIVA TNT2. Unlike a motherboard, to my knowledge a GPU has been an add in card, not a motherboard.

It would be nice if my video card would have a socket for the GPU chip itself, and slots for ram modules themselves, so that I could change out my GPU chip and increase the video RAM, without having to replace the entire video card when I want more performance.

Lots of people are wondering if they should get a video card with 2 GB or 1 GB or 4 GB. We are OK with that, just choose the video card that is right.

Unlike VRAM, the RAM we use has different capacities for different usage scenarios. A basic PC may not need more than 2GB but a rig specifically for rendering, etc requires more RAM (8/16/32GB).

I seem to recall a similar issue for video cards. You can currently buy a video card with GDDR5 or DDR3 memory, depending on whether you want faster or slower performance. Even though the RAM is soldered into both video cards, you have the choice of performance when you purchase.

I appreciate the scenario of having different usage scenarios for PCs, you can get a basic PC and you can get a rig specifically required for rendering. But my question would be, how often do you convert one type of rig to the other? How often does a person buy a basic PC and then convert it to a specialty/enthusiast rig after the fact? And even with those converts, they would *still* probably swap out the entire set of mobo/CPU/RAM, because they are totally different levels.

I think it's still a valid point that with an integrated mobo/CPU/RAM soldered together, you could choose a basic PC implementation (and match that with a basic video card), and could choose a rendering rig with matching video card. Just as we accept the tradeoffs at purchase of the video card where the GPU chip and GPU ram is soldered, we also could accept the tradeoff for motherboard if it's stuff were soldered.

If someone buys an enthusiast-level motherboard, they would probably want to match it with similar level of CPU and RAM. It would be odd for someone to buy a bargain/beginner-level motherboard, and then expect them to upgrade to enthusiast level CPU or RAM.

I just think nowdays most people make an initial decision, get similar level components of motherboard/CPU/RAM, and then use the computer for that intended level of performance (e.g., enthusiast). When they want to upgrade, that typically would involve getting all new matching level of mobo/CPU/RAM.

I mean, when I look back, there were times when I later bought a faster CPU to put in my existing motherboard, but that is rare. Almost always, it's not a good value to swap out the CPU, because you typically want a new motherboard that uses a new socket to get enough of a boost in performance to justify the expense. If you just swap out the CPU, usually the increase in performance is not worth the cost. When was the last time you did such an upgrade?

Also, the combo/soldered mobo price would probably have a lower price and higher performance than an equivalent socketed version. If you gave me a choice at purchase time, I'd pick the cheaper/faster version knowing it's soldered, because I look at my own choices in the past and realize I don't need to swap the CPU or RAM, because I just haven't behaved that way. I upgrade by replacing the entire mobo/CPU/RAM combo, and I think that's a powerful trend among enthusiasts?

I disagree with the ideology of integrating every component like Apple does. IIRC there was a person who had a burnt USB on his 1 month old MBA.
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Now of course all laptop motherboards have USB ports integrated directly. But what if you have a faulty RAM? Faulty GPU? Remember, all of these components are integrated directly to the motherboard and no way of changing them without changing the motherboard itself. Which is why replacing a laptop motherboard is often more expensive than fixing a desktop.

This is a good example, but also interesting that the very example illustrates the progress of history, how USB ports are already integrated in laptops and motherboards. Same with sound cards. That's the march of progress, history speaking to us.

Do we lament the inability to swap out our on-board LANs, soundcards, and USB ports? Do we enjoy the reduced price we pay, not having to spend extra on those? Even though there is a risk that they may break and need a new motherboard to fix, how often is that?

It seems very rare that a CPU or RAM will just fail, and this could actually argue for soldering them in because I bet the vast majority of failures are due to sockets and user installation errors, which drives up costs for everyone with RMAs etc. If soldered, you remove the user-error factor, bringing down costs.

Also, using USB to illustrate failure risks is not fully analogous, because USB is a very user-intensive thing that is very likely to break due to use. But you don't plug/unplug the CPU and RAM, they are just passive electronics with no user interaction and likelihood to break, unlike a USB port.
 

dma0991

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It would be nice if my video card would have a socket for the GPU chip itself, and slots for ram modules themselves, so that I could change out my GPU chip and increase the video RAM, without having to replace the entire video card when I want more performance.
A GPU is space constrained. Having such features would make it thicker than it is necessary. You could do all of that on the motherboard itself but is it practical? I don't think so, especially if you want more than 1 GPU.

But my question would be, how often do you convert one type of rig to the other?
I'm talking about the initial decision when purchasing the PC, not upgrading. I mentioned that the manufacturer needs to make a lot of models to cater to different crowds. In terms of memory and storage, it shouldn't be integrated, it limits expandability. Intel knew that memory/storage should be kept modular which is why Intel's NUC still uses a miniPCIe for SSD storage and SO-DIMMs slots. The CPU is probably fine being BGA mounted since usage of that level is less likely to be constrained by CPU performance.

Do we lament the inability to swap out our on-board LANs, soundcards, and USB ports? Do we enjoy the reduced price we pay, not having to spend extra on those? Even though there is a risk that they may break and need a new motherboard to fix, how often is that?

It seems very rare that a CPU or RAM will just fail, and this could actually argue for soldering them in because I bet the vast majority of failures are due to sockets and user installation errors, which drives up costs for everyone with RMAs etc. If soldered, you remove the user-error factor, bringing down costs.
Sound cards and LAN cards still exists as it offers you the choice of actually replacing with a similar or better one if the onboard one breaks. Not so with a directly mounted CPU/RAM. If my CPU dies, there is no PCI card replacement for it. The same goes for RAM.

RMAs does not only cover human error. It can be caused by natural means(thunder strike) or just a bad apple that happens to pass through factory testing. Cost of replacement will not be reduced, it will do the exact opposite. In the case of a part failure using the current method, it will only be either the CPU, RAM or motherboard that gets replaced. With the 'newer' method, all will be replaced regardless of whether 2/3 of the major components still works.

Also, using USB to illustrate failure risks is not fully analogous, because USB is a very user-intensive thing that is very likely to break due to use. But you don't plug/unplug the CPU and RAM, they are just passive electronics with no user interaction and likelihood to break, unlike a USB port.
Regardless, CPU and RAM are not exempted from possible failure. Just because it rarely happens under normal use does not mean that these parts do not fail at all.
 

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How many variants the motherboard manufacturers can have??

Intel is having how many cpu at socket 1155 right now??
Obviously there can not be that when integrated to the motherboard.
So what we will end up??
an i3 an i5 an i7 a pentium a celeron and an atom variant cpu? 6 cpu at each generation? with 3 variant of mobos atx matx and itx that will make 18 different mobos.
And we have not even start talking about the memory. 2 options about memory??? So we go to 36 different motherboards.

in the end this will in higher cost for the consumer.
You want more ram buy a new pc
better gpu buy a new pc
better cpu buy a new pc

in the end it will cost more.
now you want sata3 you can add a card
usb3 add a card
more ram add more
better gpu replace the gpu
cpu!?!? well maybe a new or more likely a used one.

never the less with small upgrades you can give life to an old machine to go a year or 2 more.

if that happens it will mean more cost for all.
entry level and costier to us enthusiast
 

cbn

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I see the issue as being beyond just the impact on the enthusiast market, which I've always seen as mostly secondary. It's about having choice, even for end users. The more tightly integrated everything is, the fewer options there are available for customizing computers to the needs of the user. And I see that as a step backwards.

It depends on how Intel sets things up. Remember they are in the business of selling CPUs (SOCs)....not complete systems.

So if Intel can make it easier for us to migrate over to new technology without buying a new PC (and OS license) they will do so.

P.S. Not sure why the current socket system only allows an upgrade across the two generations (ie, limited to one tic and one toc.)
 

VirtualLarry

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How many variants the motherboard manufacturers can have??

Intel is having how many cpu at socket 1155 right now??
Obviously there can not be that when integrated to the motherboard.
So what we will end up??
an i3 an i5 an i7 a pentium a celeron and an atom variant cpu? 6 cpu at each generation? with 3 variant of mobos atx matx and itx that will make 18 different mobos.
And we have not even start talking about the memory. 2 options about memory??? So we go to 36 different motherboards.

in the end this will in higher cost for the consumer.
You want more ram buy a new pc
better gpu buy a new pc
better cpu buy a new pc

in the end it will cost more.
now you want sata3 you can add a card
usb3 add a card
more ram add more
better gpu replace the gpu
cpu!?!? well maybe a new or more likely a used one.

never the less with small upgrades you can give life to an old machine to go a year or 2 more.

if that happens it will mean more cost for all.
entry level and costier to us enthusiast

The Govt should be looking at this issue. It could significantly INCREASE E-waste.
 

VirtualLarry

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Maybe we could have "CPU boards", that plug into a motherboard slot, specifically designed for a CPU daughtercard, and have PCI-E and DMI signals. Except, need RAM slots on the CPU card too I guess. There goes that idea.
 

jpiniero

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The Govt should be looking at this issue. It could significantly INCREASE E-waste.

I don't see why it would be any more e-waste than the average laptop on the market. Still thinking of it as "laptops without a screen". The CPU (and discrete GPU?) would be soldered; the other parts (ie: memory, disk) could be soldered, could have sockets.
 

VirtualLarry

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I don't see why it would be any more e-waste than the average laptop on the market. Still thinking of it as "laptops without a screen". The CPU (and discrete GPU?) would be soldered; the other parts (ie: memory, disk) could be soldered, could have sockets.

most laptops have socketed cpus, except for probably atom/brazos chips.
 

cbn

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Maybe we could have "CPU boards", that plug into a motherboard slot, specifically designed for a CPU daughtercard, and have PCI-E and DMI signals. Except, need RAM slots on the CPU card too I guess. There goes that idea.

Don't some laptops and Mini-ITX have BGA CPU, but RAM slots? If so, I don't see why that couldn't happen.

With that said, I'll bet most will come with soldered RAM. Then there is always this type of future to think about---> http://www.anandtech.com/show/4819/...lop-hybrid-memory-cube-stacked-dram-is-coming

P.S. If BGA CPU/SOC/RAM boards came into being, what would be left on the mainboard? Also how would Windows determine what component is now the "Computer" for OEM licensing purposes? (Currently Windows tracks the mainboard)
 

Vesku

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What this mainly says to me is that the cost of being a PC enthusiast will shift upwards. Also that Intel has incredible clout with it's downstream vendors, but that's been evident for over a decade.
 

bononos

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I appreciate the scenario of having different usage scenarios for PCs, you can get a basic PC and you can get a rig specifically required for rendering. But my question would be, how often do you convert one type of rig to the other? How often does a person buy a basic PC and then convert it to a specialty/enthusiast rig after the fact? And even with those converts, they would *still* probably swap out the entire set of mobo/CPU/RAM, because they are totally different levels.

I think it's still a valid point that with an integrated mobo/CPU/RAM soldered together, you could choose a basic PC implementation (and match that with a basic video card), and could choose a rendering rig with matching video card. Just as we accept the tradeoffs at purchase of the video card where the GPU chip and GPU ram is soldered, we also could accept the tradeoff for motherboard if it's stuff were soldered.

If someone buys an enthusiast-level motherboard, they would probably want to match it with similar level of CPU and RAM. It would be odd for someone to buy a bargain/beginner-level motherboard, and then expect them to upgrade to enthusiast level CPU or RAM.

I just think nowdays most people make an initial decision, get similar level components of motherboard/CPU/RAM, and then use the computer for that intended level of performance (e.g., enthusiast). When they want to upgrade, that typically would involve getting all new matching level of mobo/CPU/RAM.

I mean, when I look back, there were times when I later bought a faster CPU to put in my existing motherboard, but that is rare. Almost always, it's not a good value to swap out the CPU, because you typically want a new motherboard that uses a new socket to get enough of a boost in performance to justify the expense. If you just swap out the CPU, usually the increase in performance is not worth the cost. When was the last time you did such an upgrade?

Also, the combo/soldered mobo price would probably have a lower price and higher performance than an equivalent socketed version. If you gave me a choice at purchase time, I'd pick the cheaper/faster version knowing it's soldered, because I look at my own choices in the past and realize I don't need to swap the CPU or RAM, because I just haven't behaved that way. I upgrade by replacing the entire mobo/CPU/RAM combo, and I think that's a powerful trend among enthusiasts?
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I think posts like yours are too fixated on low msrp and "when was the last time I did a drop in socket upgrade".

We forget the possibilities of a industry with very open and stable standards, thousands of small businesses who can plug in instead of a few big players, more human based craft on optimizing programming on bare metal instead of relying pushing the boundaries of physics creating new materials for small node processes and high clock speeds. We should all rely less on the goodwill of Intel/M$oft to do the right thing.
 

Mars999

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I wonder if Intel will keep the Xeon series for us hardcore types, and the rest will be BGA?

Workstation/Server products X79 class hardware, hopefullly will still be LGA....
 

taltamir

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When a $100 board with a $400 CPU in it fail's you spend $100 and replace the board
When a $500 Board and chip built into it fail's you spend another $500 to replace both

This is not only bad for the environment its also bad for your pocket.
And from all the blown capacitors on motherboards over the years i think this is a BAD idea.

such integration reduces cost and material use. so its good for both your wallet and the environment as long as the aggregate saved amount from all units sold worldwide is greater then the aggregate waste from all units sold worldwide.

I see this as a highly logical course of action for low end and OEM grade stuff, while unwanted for the really expensive components. I am sure we will still have the latter available to us.

The soldered on stuff should also be more compact which makes it more useful in some places (car PC, HTPC, etc)
 

Zodiark1593

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Don't some laptops and Mini-ITX have BGA CPU, but RAM slots? If so, I don't see why that couldn't happen.

With that said, I'll bet most will come with soldered RAM. Then there is always this type of future to think about---> http://www.anandtech.com/show/4819/...lop-hybrid-memory-cube-stacked-dram-is-coming

P.S. If BGA CPU/SOC/RAM boards came into being, what would be left on the mainboard? Also how would Windows determine what component is now the "Computer" for OEM licensing purposes? (Currently Windows tracks the mainboard)
It's pretty split on the difference of laptops that use socketed CPUs vs BGA ones. You can expect most of the thin/ultrabook class laptops to use the BGA model cpus, in addition to anything Atom or Brazos based.

Most standard laptops use sockets, however, oftentimes you have to disassemble the entire unit to get to the CPU as opposed to a direct access panel. It's hit or miss in that aspect. I had to tear down my DV7 to the mobo to swap my dual core for a quad.
 

IntelUser2000

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I don't think replaceable sockets will disappear. I assume similar thing will happen as with Nehalem.

Nehalem architecture(Nehalem and Westmere) had a server focus. That's why they had things like integrating the memory controller, getting a brand new chip to chip interconnect(QPI), and Hyperthreading.

They benefit all segments, but nothing much as the server. With Nehalem we've seen some de-emphasis on the traditional desktop line. We got the Bloomfields, but that was mostly based on the workstation chip. We got Lynnfield much later, and never got the 32nm shrink to it.

So maybe with Broadwell, we'll see Broadwell E's(because server chips will exist), but Haswell will continue serving the non-AIO desktop line. Then in Skylake, we'll see same thing as Sandy Bridge where we see every market segment introduced again.

It may be true that enthusiast desktop future really lies in "-E" sockets, when they get things like $300 6 core processors and cheaper quad channel memory supporting boards. Never assume they'll kill off the enthusiast line though. Whether by more mainstream sockets like the 2600/3770K, or more premium -E chips, they have said its the only segment in desktop non-AIO where growth is happening.
 
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VirtualLarry

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I don't think replaceable sockets will disappear.
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It may be true that enthusiast desktop future really lies in "-E" sockets, when they get things like $300 6 core processors and cheaper quad channel memory supporting boards. Never assume they'll kill off the enthusiast line though. Whether by more mainstream sockets like the 2600/3770K, or more premium -E chips, they have said its the only segment in desktop non-AIO where growth is happening.

If that's true, that the enthusiast market is growing, while the general desktop market is shrinking, then it would be wise of Intel not to ignore that segment.
 

nitromullet

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Having triple the number of mainboards probably will be too much inventory to carry....plus there is the issue of VRMs being integrated onto future SOCs (eliminating an enthusiast mobo selling point).

I don't really think we'll have three times the number if options... The point I was making is that there seems to be a lot of people lamenting a presumed loss of choice when there is nothing to indicate this will happen. Every generation of chipset seems to spawn more a more motherboard options. I don't see players like Asus and Gigabyte looking to trim their motherboard lines just because they'll come with a CPU soldiered on.

And how can this make it cheaper for the end user, I wonder...?
That means much lower volumes for the production lines. Less volume, higher price pr item... :colbert:

Motherboards are already overpriced. They do less and less as functions move from the chipset to the CPU, yet the motherboard is the only component that seems to get more and more expensive every time I upgrade while everything else drops in price.
 

Vesku

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Motherboards are already overpriced. They do less and less as functions move from the chipset to the CPU, yet the motherboard is the only component that seems to get more and more expensive every time I upgrade while everything else drops in price.

This really isn't true, at least not yet, the chipset hasn't been eliminated from the desktop yet so the physical layout hasn't changed much yet. In the case of Intel when they switched to the socket having the pins that actually put more of the cost on the motherboard maker. Which they try to minimize by assuming all bent/broken pins are the customer's fault. Integrated graphics actually meant more stuff goes onto the motherboard.

VRMs going onto the cpu die will really be one of the first major shifts of components from motherboard to cpu.
 

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I don't think replaceable sockets will disappear. I assume similar thing will happen as with Nehalem.

Nehalem architecture(Nehalem and Westmere) had a server focus. That's why they had things like integrating the memory controller, getting a brand new chip to chip interconnect(QPI), and Hyperthreading.

They benefit all segments, but nothing much as the server. With Nehalem we've seen some de-emphasis on the traditional desktop line. We got the Bloomfields, but that was mostly based on the workstation chip. We got Lynnfield much later, and never got the 32nm shrink to it.

So maybe with Broadwell, we'll see Broadwell E's(because server chips will exist), but Haswell will continue serving the non-AIO desktop line. Then in Skylake, we'll see same thing as Sandy Bridge where we see every market segment introduced again.

It may be true that enthusiast desktop future really lies in "-E" sockets, when they get things like $300 6 core processors and cheaper quad channel memory supporting boards. Never assume they'll kill off the enthusiast line though. Whether by more mainstream sockets like the 2600/3770K, or more premium -E chips, they have said its the only segment in desktop non-AIO where growth is happening.

That was my anecdotal impression from visiting a few of these DIY stores / sections - how busy they were.

I really like this strategy on the high end side. Now imagine if on top of that they also acquired ATI. This could significantly add to Intel's ASP per sale/install/transaction not only in the power user, gamers and enthusiast segments, but also in corporate with workstation graphics and GPGPU. It makes a lot of sense to me (perhaps not to anyone else) because it leverages sales and marketing efforts as well as leverage the fabs.

On the BGA pros and cons, for most users a lot of the pcb real estate isn't needed (though they don't realize it), esp. if you limit the power consumption and use an ac adapter. If your only connectors are 2 video and 6 usb, the mb is going to be anywhere from 16 to 25 square inches so is it still a mb? Barely, and the opportunities to differentiate are reduced as well.

It does draw attention to the fact that between all the mb vendors, the # of skus and perhaps mb vendors of bga boards will be greatly reduced as part of the initiative. It might be 6 mb skus x 6 processors = 36 permutations << # of distinct 1155 motherboards on the market.

Again, this is for the mainstream, not the high end.

Btw, ATI sold their own branded video boards for the longest time with chips to OEM only and tbh, I can't see much benefit from an end-user point of view of having all these AIBs - after about 3, it seems to be diminishing returns to me.
 

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It would be nice if my video card would have a socket for the GPU chip itself, and slots for ram modules themselves, so that I could change out my GPU chip and increase the video RAM, without having to replace the entire video card when I want more performance.

I personally don't want 3 slot video cards to be standard while retaining the same performance.
 

dma0991

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heres our future:
I find this future is acceptable for the right price. It should be a $100 cheaper than its current price as it does not include RAM and storage. Maybe we'll see them in the $200 price point once these becomes commonplace and there are more competitors.

For the average user, it's a godsend. It's simple, small and power efficient. For power users like us, it could be setup as a low powered server, HTPC or as a secondary rig that never gets turned off. I'd still like the option of having LGA with high end setups, Intel NUC can be a suitable replacement for the lower end.