WWATOT Do? Creepy burglar(?) event in my neighborhood

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The other day a neighbor of mine was coming around door to door telling us about an event that happened overnight.

I live on a short cul de sac, and the neighbor lives on the main drive into the subdivision. He told us that he was up the night before at around 2:00AM because his dog was freaking out. He got up and went to his kitchen and the motion activated security light in his back yard popped on. He started looking out his windows and saw a dark figure lurking around checking on windows to the house he backs up to. He watched the person walk around the house (this is about 4 houses down from mine) and then he lost track of where he was.

The neighbor went to his bedroom and got his handgun and kept looking out the window. A few minutes later he saw the figure come back into his yard and toward his house. As the figure got closer he could see he was dressed in all black and had a white phantom of the opera mask on. The figure got near the window and the neighbor tapped the window and brandished his firearm. The figure looked up, and like no fucks were given just keep walking.

The figure walked past the house, out to main drag and got into a car. My neighbor grabbed his keys and hopped in his car and tried to trail the guy while phoning 911. The plates had one of those dark smoked out plastic covers over it so he couldn't read the numbers. The guy eventually floored it and lost my neighbor. We don't think the cops ever got him other than the cars description is now on the radar.

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Very creepy. But I don't know what the right play is here. The only thing I could have thought of is that he should have dialed 911 sooner instead of going rogue and trying to tail. I have an alarm system in my house, but we never activated. Certainly reconsidering it now. We don't have a dog any more after our old one passed away. So no warning of any sorts.

But I just can't figure out what that guys motive was. Not sure if he was casing or actively trying to B&E. Either way, dressed like that, creeping around houses at 2:00AM is up to no good.

So keyboard commandos of ATOT...what would you have done and what would you do having known that happened 4 houses down from you?

[EDIT] FWIW, my neighborhood is on the edge of town and only a 1/4 mile away from the county line. There's only a handful of ways in and you have to deliberately mean to go here. It's not something you drive through to get to other places. We're quite sectioned off from the rest of the main city subdivisions. It's a mixed neighborhood of housing that goes from Section 8/HUD dumps all the way up to incredibly upscale $750,000+ mini-mansions. It's a weird setup. The expensive stuff sits up front and the dumpier stuff is hidden in the back.
 
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NuclearNed

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Activate your alarm system. Maybe get some security cameras - a guy at work put them in, and I hear they are relatively cheap. Two words: pump shotgun.
 

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Activate your alarm system. Maybe get some security cameras - a guy at work put them in, and I hear they are relatively cheap. Two words: pump shotgun.

Maybe we should relocate your bird feeder burglar and let him roam around at night. That could be good for the lols. SURPRISE! Guard bear!
 

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Leave out sacrificial items for him to freely take, because clearly the poor man is just trying to feed his family and we should all be more understanding.
 

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HD night vision cameras and a recording system.

Do NOT run around the neighborhood with guns looking for trouble. That isnt needed for this situation.
 
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Decorate your living room in stalker-chic, with hundreds of photos of yourself, a few used condoms, etc. When the burglar comes in, they'll run like hell if they know what's good for 'em.
 

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Activate your alarm system. Maybe get some security cameras - a guy at work put them in, and I hear they are relatively cheap. Two words: pump shotgun.

Everything is good advice, minus the last part, although that's debated. I'm sure you're alluding to the whole racking of a round into the chamber as if that should scare somebody. That's not a good idea at all and is BS that people think is real life that they see in movies.

OP, depending on your gun laws and your personal choices, I think a higher cap, higher caliber pistol is the best choice for home defense in this case. Shooting a shotgun down a hall way at close range has very little spread and you'd be better off having more rounds, as opposed to attempting to control a higher recoil firearm if you aren't experienced in shooting it.

But I digress, there is plenty of this type of debate in every single gun forum in existence. Regardless, this person could be up to no good and I think you need a weapon of some kind just in case.
 

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I moved from IL to KY which is like going from CA to TX as far as gun rights and laws are concerned. So the castle laws, stand your ground, and gun access are certainly much better here. Have considered going with a handgun for home defense, but with two young children in the house (one of which that is too curious for her own good) it's not something I'm totally comfortable with.

How good have the biometric vaults got? Anything that requires electricity/battery to open is prone to failure. But it's better than dealing with locks on the firearm itself. And either of those are better than not having anything when kids are in question.

Bleh. People suck.
 

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Bean bag shotgun rounds. I'd tell him to take of the mask and get on the ground. I wouldn't repeat the request. Thieves are scum.
 

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I moved from IL to KY which is like going from CA to TX as far as gun rights and laws are concerned. So the castle laws, stand your ground, and gun access are certainly much better here. Have considered going with a handgun for home defense, but with two young children in the house (one of which that is too curious for her own good) it's not something I'm totally comfortable with.

How good have the biometric vaults got? Anything that requires electricity/battery to open is prone to failure. But it's better than dealing with locks on the firearm itself. And either of those are better than not having anything when kids are in question.

Bleh. People suck.

My buddy here at work has a safe that's mechanically operated, but it's not a spin dial lock. It's basically a pad with switches (numbered) that only depress the locking mechanism when the right combo is pressed. I like this because you can hit them in any order in case of panic, and doesn't rely on grid or battery power.

Just don't ever share the combo with your children, and don't ever open it in front of them unless it's an emergency. A baseball bat won't do you any good in the dark (pistol, even shotgun makes having a flashlight easy) if this guy comes back in all dark clothing, and he might even have a gun himself, which means you and your family are screwed unless you got him by surprise.
 
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The other day a neighbor of mine was coming around door to door telling us about an event that happened overnight.

I live on a short cul de sac, and the neighbor lives on the main drive into the subdivision. He told us that he was up the night before at around 2:00AM because his dog was freaking out. He got up and went to his kitchen and the motion activated security light in his back yard popped on. He started looking out his windows and saw a dark figure lurking around checking on windows to the house he backs up to. He watched the person walk around the house (this is about 4 houses down from mine) and then he lost track of where he was.

The neighbor went to his bedroom and got his handgun and kept looking out the window. A few minutes later he saw the figure come back into his yard and toward his house. As the figure got closer he could see he was dressed in all black and had a white phantom of the opera mask on. The figure got near the window and the neighbor tapped the window and brandished his firearm. The figure looked up, and like no fucks were given just keep walking.

The figure walked past the house, out to main drag and got into a car. My neighbor grabbed his keys and hopped in his car and tried to trail the guy while phoning 911. The plates had one of those dark smoked out plastic covers over it so he couldn't read the numbers. The guy eventually floored it and lost my neighbor. We don't think the cops ever got him other than the cars description is now on the radar.

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Very creepy. But I don't know what the right play is here. The only thing I could have thought of is that he should have dialed 911 sooner instead of going rogue and trying to tail. I have an alarm system in my house, but we never activated. Certainly reconsidering it now. We don't have a dog any more after our old one passed away. So no warning of any sorts.

But I just can't figure out what that guys motive was. Not sure if he was casing or actively trying to B&E. Either way, dressed like that, creeping around houses at 2:00AM is up to no good.

So keyboard commandos of ATOT...what would you have done and what would you do having known that happened 4 houses down from you?

[EDIT] FWIW, my neighborhood is on the edge of town and only a 1/4 mile away from the county line. There's only a handful of ways in and you have to deliberately mean to go here. It's not something you drive through to get to other places. We're quite sectioned off from the rest of the main city subdivisions. It's a mixed neighborhood of housing that goes from Section 8/HUD dumps all the way up to incredibly upscale $750,000+ mini-mansions. It's a weird setup. The expensive stuff sits up front and the dumpier stuff is hidden in the back.


Is it possible that your neighbor wanted to be the hero guy and none of this happened. I know its not unusual for someone to make up or enhance less dramatic incidents.

edit: I mean is it possible that some teens live in that house and some friends were there to play a prank but ended up leaving once your neighbor turned his light on. The whole thing seems awfully dramatic to be a real event.

edit #2: DO NOT WATCH "Funny Games" on TV or Red Box. Trust me.
 
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I don't really think he would make it up. He wouldn't go through the trouble of getting it to the HOA board and sending out a specialized message or go door to door explaining the situation. I'm also on a mailing list of several nearby HOA's and they have been reporting a lot of theft lately.

I really thought it was just a high school kid pulling those door ringing pranks, but I figured if that was the case they would have bugged the hell out once the guy tapped the handgun against the window.
 

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Yea, thats creepy man.

I would seriously consider getting a dog, the barking will wake you up if there is intruder.
Make sure all door are locked and bolted and alarm is armed at bedtime.

If anybody wants to get in without an invitation, make em break a window, if they make noise it will wake you up, and give you a few moments.

As far as how to arm yourself. I don't know what the best option is. If you are a shooter, then use what you are most comfortable and confidant with. If you are not experienced with guns, then maybe think about getting 2 big dogs instead of 1...
 
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I had a dog for 14 years. I'll be honest...I kind of like being dog free right now. We work long hours, and often just grab the kids from school and head back out. We're gone lots of times for 14+ hours. Plus we travel a lot on weekends. It's nice not having to board, come home and let them out, deal with puking in the middle of the night, or taking them out for walks/breaks when it's pouring or cold as shit outside.

Plus vet bills, hair, accidents, everything else. I have a busy, stressful enough house. It's not fair to bring in another creature I can't give appropriate attention to.
 
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Activate alarm system. Motion lights. Cameras.

Possibly consider a small handgun w/light in a quickly accessible but secure container (like a GunVault or similar) if you are familiar with handguns and comfortable using one.
 
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yeah getting a dog only for security is the wrong reason to get a dog.

My buddy here at work has a safe that's mechanically operated, but it's not a spin dial lock. It's basically a pad with switches (numbered) that only depress the locking mechanism when the right combo is pressed. I like this because you can hit them in any order in case of panic, and doesn't rely on grid or battery power.

Just don't ever share the combo with your children, and don't ever open it in front of them unless it's an emergency. A baseball bat won't do you any good in the dark (pistol, even shotgun makes having a flashlight easy) if this guy comes back in all dark clothing, and he might even have a gun himself, which means you and your family are screwed unless you got him by surprise.
putting it out of reach of younger children helps too, although the combo is the only thing stopping stupid teen-agers and having no specific press orders kinda makes it easy.

I think motion-activated floodlights and an alarm that detects doors and windows opening + glass breaking (but not motion while you are in the house) can help.

Depending on the kind of estate you can build a pointy fence like this (this one is broken because someone got stuck with his leg on it and they had to saw off a portion)
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all around the property. This is pretty common fencing. You can see through it so it should act as a deterrent rather than attract criminals.
 
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TechBoyJK

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You can buy fake security cams from monoprice for $9 each. They look legit and even have a flashing LED.
 

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Get one of those automated sentry guns from Aliens and use it to defend your home.
 

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Put up a confederate flag in a window plus a don't tread on me logo somewhere visible from the street.
 

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Everything is good advice, minus the last part, although that's debated. I'm sure you're alluding to the whole racking of a round into the chamber as if that should scare somebody. That's not a good idea at all and is BS that people think is real life that they see in movies...
I don't know, a shotgun saved my life.
 

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I don't know, a shotgun saved my life.

I'm talking about the whole notion that you leave a loaded, but unracked shotgun laying around in the hope that sound of the action of the pump would scare a person off. It's stupid on many levels. I'm not against shotguns for home defense, just that line of thought. Not even sure if who I quoted even meant that when they said ..."and a pump shotgun". Maybe they just think a pump is superior over hand gun or semi shotgun.

If it matters, I'd rather have a semi auto shotgun over pump...
 
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Activate alarm system. Motion lights. Cameras.

Possibly consider a small handgun w/light in a quickly accessible but secure container (like a GunVault or similar) if you are familiar with handguns and comfortable using one.

That's almost my exact plan should I go that route. Easy to lock up and something with a rail you can mount a light to. No problems with guns personally. Grew up with them all over the house. Just never felt like it was necessary where I was at plus having kids on the house was a concern.