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Ohhh, yeah...the classic "in my home" "getting mugged on the street" routine
I sleep so damn hard that if someone broke into my house, they'd probably have a gun to my head before I woke up Seriously though, I rather not get into a gun fight with a felon in my home (and it also comes down to shootl him before he shoots me...if that was even his intention to begin with). Someone that breaks into your house is most likely not there to KILL you. I rather them take my sh!t than to start firing bullets at each other.
As for being mugged in an alley. Most public buldings in NC have a policy against concealed weapons which means that it would be in my car and if I were leaving the movie theater on the way to the parking lot I'd be SOL anyway.
You guys can keep your guns, but don't try to tell me that I should have one.
Sounds like you're saying that gun owners are idiots. I assume you mean just the ones that are irresponsible with their firearms, right?
This is an interesting thread. if NFS4 chooses not to have a gun, who is to say that he should get one or take a gun safety class? Yes, your constitution gives you the right to have guns. But I believe it also gives you the right NOT to have guns.
Amused
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I'm not saying Brandon should have a gun. I'm simply saying that it is a good idea to take a gun safety class. You are in a country in which guns are legal. Chances are you're going to run accross one in your life. It would be a good idea to know how to handle it safely.
Just as "Just say no" failed with sex and drugs, it fails with guns, too. Ignorance never saved a life.
Just as "Just say no" failed with sex and drugs, it fails with guns, too. Ignorance never saved a life.
Originally posted by: NFS4
Ohhh, yeah...the classic "in my home" "getting mugged on the street" routine
Seriously though, I rather not get into a gun fight with a felon in my home (and it also comes down to kill him before he kills me...if that was even his intention to begin with). Someone that breaks into your house is most likely not there to KILL you. I rather them take my sh!t than to start firing bullets at each other.
As for being mugged in an alley. Most public buldings in NC have a policy against concealed weapons which means that it would be in my car and if I were leaving the movie theater I'd be SOL anyway.
You guys can keep your guns, but don't try to tell me that I should have one.
That's OK. I don't have a "roll over and play dead" attitude. If someone breaks into my house, their life is forfeit. Period. I have no intention of asking them why they're there. I will not let someone just rob me, in my house or on the street. I will not cower down to the crooks. They will not own me. Very few buildings here in Texas restrict concealed carry. I do not go to the places that restrict my right to protect myself and family.
I'm not telling anyone they should have a gun. If you aren't prepared to kill someone, you shouldn't own one. A moments hesitation, and the crook will likely take it from you anyway. I personally know people that were indifferent to guns until they are a victim of crime. By then, though, it could be too late.
Don't misunderstand me. I don't go looking for trouble. I've turned around before while walking to my car because of something I'll see in the parking lot. However, if given no choice, I WILL protect myself and family.
Adul
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don't worry NFS4, i have handled and fired a gun before. its not nearly all it's cracked up to be. you're not missing anything.
Don't think, just write the check for $35 and send it along with the enclosed membership application in the provided envelope. That wasn't so hard now, was it?
Guns are lots of relatively safe fun if you follow the rules and handle them responsibly. That said, any unsolicited mail receives same treatment from me. Tear or fold it up, put it in the prepaid envelope and send it back. Make them spend money on reply mail. I usually also add a little piece of paper informing them that I am not interested in their mailings.
So y'all have your guns with you when you go out to dinner, the movies, etc.? Is the chance of being mugged that great where you are? More likely, I think that having that thing on your person gives you the feeling of control which is obviously satisfying.
I think it's sort of scary that all these people are packing pistols in the movie theater.
I don't understand/can't relate to this fascination with firearms. Yeah, it's cool fragging someone in a FPS, but I've fired a gun before (shotgun on a range), and it just didn't do anything for me. Yeah, great... a weapon that serves zero useful purpose in normal, everyday life. A constant reminder of man's brutality to man. Not something I want to own or have any part of whatsoever.
If someone breaks into my home with intent to kill me, then so be it. I wish there could be studies that could reveal how many lives were saved because someone kept a gun in their nightstand---my guess is it is pathetically low. Maybe there are studies... all of which would be highly suspect because it's not something that can be measured objectively.
Fine, it's your "right", "freedom" blah blah blah to own and carry guns up the wazoo... I don't understand it and I don't think it helps make the world in its quest for peace, but whatever. I just find it annoying when pro-gun people push their agenda and portray guns like they're a GD necessity, second only to food and water. Whatever... I think it's just a stupid power/control thing, another toy that gives men a way to feel dominant.
Ever look at the percentage of women who are interested in owning a gun? I think that right there points out the owning guns is more of a "toy" thing than a "personal safety" thing. The latter is merely a reason to justify loading up on guns and ammo, IMHO.
l2c
I think it's sort of scary that all these people are packing pistols in the movie theater.
I don't understand/can't relate to this fascination with firearms. Yeah, it's cool fragging someone in a FPS, but I've fired a gun before (shotgun on a range), and it just didn't do anything for me. Yeah, great... a weapon that serves zero useful purpose in normal, everyday life. A constant reminder of man's brutality to man. Not something I want to own or have any part of whatsoever.
If someone breaks into my home with intent to kill me, then so be it. I wish there could be studies that could reveal how many lives were saved because someone kept a gun in their nightstand---my guess is it is pathetically low. Maybe there are studies... all of which would be highly suspect because it's not something that can be measured objectively.
Fine, it's your "right", "freedom" blah blah blah to own and carry guns up the wazoo... I don't understand it and I don't think it helps make the world in its quest for peace, but whatever. I just find it annoying when pro-gun people push their agenda and portray guns like they're a GD necessity, second only to food and water. Whatever... I think it's just a stupid power/control thing, another toy that gives men a way to feel dominant.
Ever look at the percentage of women who are interested in owning a gun? I think that right there points out the owning guns is more of a "toy" thing than a "personal safety" thing. The latter is merely a reason to justify loading up on guns and ammo, IMHO.
l2c
Agree 100%. I don't own a gun, but I took a gun safety class just in case. You never know when you'll need it. At least now I can go to a range with friends and shoot instead of going over the basics.
I took a gun safety class up here in Canada and I've fired my share of guns (friends are members of gun clubs & gun owners). I found it a unique experience but I would not go out & buy a gun. That being said I don't mind if people own guns as long as they are responsible & they don't own crazy ass guns (ie. assualt guns....... what the heck do you need that for???? Hunting ).
Cheers,
Aquaman
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Aquaman
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First off, your fear of licensed people carrying a legal concealed weapon is completely baseless. In the states that have legalized CC on demand (concealed carry), less than one-tenth of one percent of those licensed have been convicted of a gun related crime. Those carrying legally are simply not those who are committing crime. What's more, every state that has legalized CC on demand saw a sharp decrease in violent crime within a very short period after the laws were passed.
Secondly, there are many very reasonable people who carry guns. Take, for instance, a business owner or manager who makes cash bank deposits. Or the everyday person going to an ATM, or a small woman who has to walk to work everyday through the downtown area of any city.
Finally, to say the low percentage of woman carrying guns points to their being unnecessary is completely illogical. A low percentage of European Jews carried guns before and during the holocaust. Were they unnecessary then, too?
No one here is pushing an agenda. We are simply defending our freedoms.
Finally, it's a very old and extremely tired tactic of the anti-Second Amendment folks to equate gun ownership with a feeling of "power" or as a phalic enhancement. Give it a rest.
Stats
Firearm Use by Civilians to Deter Crime
By carefully examining facts and statistics from the Department of Justice, the F.B.I. and other law enforcement agencies, Prof. Gary Kleck from the School of Criminology, Florida State University, discovered Americans use firearms to prevent crimes approximately 1 to 1.5 million times per year. These are the very cases Kellermann chose to ignore. Had Kellermann considered these facts, he would have had to conclude a firearm in the home makes a family safer.
Prof. Kleck also discovered that robbery victims who defended themselves with a gun suffered lower rates of injury than did those who resisted without a gun, or even those who did not resist at all and instead complied with the violent criminal's demands. In short, Prof. Kleck concluded the private ownership of firearms deters criminal behavior. (Source: "Crime Control Through the Private Use of Armed Force" by Gary Kleck)
Concealed Weapons Permit Laws
Liberalized concealed-carry handgun laws, now in effect in 31 states, are a major factor in reducing violent crime. This was proven by University of Chicago by Professors John Lott and David Mustard in their landmark 1996 study, "Crime, Deterrence and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns." The researchers examined crime in the more than 3,000 U.S. counties from 1977 to 1992 and discovered liberalized concealed-carry laws reduced murders by 8.5 percent, rapes by 5 percent and aggravated assaults by 7 percent.
Firearm Use by Civilians to Deter Crime
By carefully examining facts and statistics from the Department of Justice, the F.B.I. and other law enforcement agencies, Prof. Gary Kleck from the School of Criminology, Florida State University, discovered Americans use firearms to prevent crimes approximately 1 to 1.5 million times per year. These are the very cases Kellermann chose to ignore. Had Kellermann considered these facts, he would have had to conclude a firearm in the home makes a family safer.
Prof. Kleck also discovered that robbery victims who defended themselves with a gun suffered lower rates of injury than did those who resisted without a gun, or even those who did not resist at all and instead complied with the violent criminal's demands. In short, Prof. Kleck concluded the private ownership of firearms deters criminal behavior. (Source: "Crime Control Through the Private Use of Armed Force" by Gary Kleck)
Concealed Weapons Permit Laws
Liberalized concealed-carry handgun laws, now in effect in 31 states, are a major factor in reducing violent crime. This was proven by University of Chicago by Professors John Lott and David Mustard in their landmark 1996 study, "Crime, Deterrence and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns." The researchers examined crime in the more than 3,000 U.S. counties from 1977 to 1992 and discovered liberalized concealed-carry laws reduced murders by 8.5 percent, rapes by 5 percent and aggravated assaults by 7 percent.
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This scares me way worse:
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But isn't also illegal to carry it concealed? How the hell can there be the Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms if there is no legal way to carry it? Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.
Does Brandon have to take a gun-safety class so he could determine not to have guns? Do you have to be a hippie in order to determine that you don't want to be one? Do you have to be a member of Greenpeace for a while to determine that you don't like 'em? Do you have to try out muslim extemism in order to determine that you don't like it?
Answer to all those questions is "no".
these college kids kill me
Who do you rely on to "protect" yourself in the event of a crime commited on you? The police??
Just think if one of the passengers aboard any one of the flights that happened on Sept 11th had a gun....what would be the outcome?
or at Columbine...and armed principle....teacher...??
It is your right to be a victim too
Who do you rely on to "protect" yourself in the event of a crime commited on you? The police??
Just think if one of the passengers aboard any one of the flights that happened on Sept 11th had a gun....what would be the outcome?
or at Columbine...and armed principle....teacher...??
It is your right to be a victim too
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No, but we educate kids about drugs even though we don't want them to take them. We educate them about sex even though we don't want them to have it until they're married.
Again, ignorance has never saved a life. In a country in which guns are legal and all around us, it's stupidity to remain ignorant about them.
OK, when I say it's scary I don't mean I have some irrational fear of being surrounded by people carrying guns. Perhaps a better word is disturbing. I'm not afraid and it won't keep me out of movie theaters. But I'll be damned if you're going to say that it's completely safe having a dozen people with guns in a movie theater.
mmm hmm... yeah lots of very unreasonable people as well. For every "small woman" with a pistol in her purse there are 100 dudes who feel "badass" with their guns. Tell me about the "typical" gun owner, not some outlier granny or Bill Gates type.
Oh brother... come on man you're really reaching there. To compare our current society to Hitler-era Europe is ludicrous. I think a person's fear for their personal safety was a *smidge* greater in, say, Austria in 1938 than in 2002 America.
Not to mention, you totally missed my point. I was stating that you all point to "personal safety" as the prime reason you carry firearms... I say that's bullsh!t. I think it has a lot more to do with the typical male fascination with weapons and power. MHO, of course.
Oh yeah, I keep forgetting that's your euphamism for it. You and your ilk are most certainly pushing an agenda. You may not like to refer to it that way, but it doesn't make it any less true. And I seem to have missed the part of the thread where I was attacking your freedom... did I say that the government should confiscate the guns of legal gunowners? Nope, I sure didn't. My point was that I don't think most gunowners motives boil right down to personal safety. I also object to gun zealots acting like you're somehow not normal if you don't want to handle guns and own them--acting like it's an absolute necessity. Everyone dies you know. You could have a brain aneurysm in your sleep tonight and die instantly. All the ammo in the world isn't going to protect you there.
Follow your bliss, man. I don't care.
l2c
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