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My father works for the municpality of the City of Peoria. A black man, who was employed by the municpality, was arrested and convicted of a DUI. Part of the sentence was that he was to be picked up from work by a co-worker and taken to the shop since he lost his license.
The first morning that the man was picked up, the white coworker that was taking him to work said "Good morning sunshine" when the black man opened the door.
The black man is suing for racial slur and demanding monetary compensation. I would like to know when "sunshine" became a racial slur.
Just a rambling, but felt that it was relevant to the topic.
The first morning that the man was picked up, the white coworker that was taking him to work said "Good morning sunshine" when the black man opened the door.
The black man is suing for racial slur and demanding monetary compensation. I would like to know when "sunshine" became a racial slur.
Just a rambling, but felt that it was relevant to the topic.
I in fact have heard and used the racist version of it as a kid. But I'm not from the U.S. and internationally, kids still use the N word in association with the rhyme, but they do it innocently, not knowing the racist history behind it. I too used it as a kid in that context. It's only when I realized later on before coming to the US that I realized the bad connotation.
In fact the first time I heard of "tiger" is after reading this thread!
I'm 22 now and no matter what, the N word was ingrained in me as a kid when saying that rhyme.
Just to be clear, I dont use the word at all now.
In fact the first time I heard of "tiger" is after reading this thread!
I'm 22 now and no matter what, the N word was ingrained in me as a kid when saying that rhyme.
Just to be clear, I dont use the word at all now.
Finally got around to you. First of all, you stated this with no links or evidence to support your claim. It is stated as a fact in the original article that the origin of the rhyme is the N-- version. Those who have said that the origins have been disproved, I say, where? All I see is an anonymous poster claiming otherwise with no link to sources or evidence.
That being said, even if your assertion is true, the rhyme did not come to America in any version but the N-- version. That is it's history. The versions that exist now are slight manipulations of that version and no other. With the tiger thing, only ONE word was changed. Here are some links to the original American version.
http://www.tk3.nmt.ne.jp/~tokuy/mother/eeny.htm
http://www.uc.summit.nj.uua.org/Sermons/CSH/961110.html
http://www.lyons.mcmail.com/playgroundsongs/e.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/great person.htm
http://home.onemain.com/~firstuu/REFLECTIONS OF A RECOVERING RACIST.htm
back from the shower, so i can defend myself against
"pissing me off" was just my opening statement. if you read clearly you will see that it was followed by logical arguments. someone let me know they changed the ATOT rules so that we cant show emotion anymore.
Originally posted by: werk
LMAO. 1324.
You win the prize. I inserted a paragraph, but left it like that on purpose for all the people who would find it too strenuous to debate the content of my post. They can just accuse me of not being able to number
Edit: Mee987. You also used the word "stupid" in your first post. Things like that turn me off immediately. I'm not talking about ATOT's rules, i'm talking about my personal ones. You can say whatever you want, but I have a choice of what I respond to.
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve
Aww, yowolabi logged off once it was determined that he was arguing a moot point.
If you read his original post carefully (one of only a few rational ones in this thread), he explains why they may have reacted the way they did citing the situation and context, but also agrees that the flight attendant did not have racist intentions and that the women took the wrong route in addressing this issue.
Hardly a moot point.. you may want to reread his point #2.
I learned about racist nursery rhymes from a anthropological folklore class (taught by Alan Dundes) a few years ago. While they may have not been the original version, they were twisted into the American mainstream at a time when Blacks were oppressed the most. Being racially insensitive to this usually shows innocent ignorance rather than racism, as was probably the case here.
Ok....now you are just becoming an annoying idiot. It is obvious from this thread that the majority of White people don't know the version of the rhyme with the N word in it....and most probably don't give a crap either. You obviously have a chip on your shoulder along with an agenda. The sad thing is you are confusing intellect with attitude and thus you are only irritating the people you are PREACHING to rather than impressing them. You are more a part of the problem than a part of the solution.......
Originally posted by: calbear2000
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve
Aww, yowolabi logged off once it was determined that he was arguing a moot point.
If you read his original post carefully (one of only a few rational ones in this thread), he explains why they may have reacted the way they did citing the situation and context, but also agrees that the flight attendant did not have racist intentions and that the women took the wrong route in addressing this issue.
Hardly a moot point.. you may want to reread his point #2.
I learned about racist nursery rhymes from a anthropological folklore class (taught by Alan Dundes) a few years ago. While they may have not been the original version, they were twisted into the American mainstream at a time when Blacks were oppressed the most. Being racially insensitive to this usually shows innocent ignorance rather than racism, as was probably the case here.
Probably the case? I would bet money on it, unless you think scenarios like the following routinely happen in reality.
Flight Attendant: "OMG, two black women got on the plane! How can I subtly insult them based upon their race and still retain the appearance of being an ignorant white girl rather than the Neo-Nazi scum that I really am? I know! I'll use a nursery rhyme which is mistakenly believed to have evolved from a derogatory rhyme involving an undesirable racial slur that begins with the letter 'n,' when it in fact came to be back during the Middle Ages. Chalk up another victory for evil white folks!"
It is obvious when polling teenagers in Japan that they are not congnizant of the wartime atrocities and human rights violations that their country executed on Koreans and Chinese.... and most probably don't give a crap either. Does it make them racist? No, just ignorant and in need of more education to be racially sensitive (they don't mention any of this in Japanese high school history books)
Hey, everyone! Let's look at more examples of jump-to-conclusions racism!
Start reading from the third last post on the first page - mine.
And watch it degenerate into crap. (Then finally sort itself out.)
- M4H
Start reading from the third last post on the first page - mine.
And watch it degenerate into crap. (Then finally sort itself out.)
- M4H
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve
Originally posted by: calbear2000
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve
Aww, yowolabi logged off once it was determined that he was arguing a moot point.
If you read his original post carefully (one of only a few rational ones in this thread), he explains why they may have reacted the way they did citing the situation and context, but also agrees that the flight attendant did not have racist intentions and that the women took the wrong route in addressing this issue.
Hardly a moot point.. you may want to reread his point #2.
I learned about racist nursery rhymes from a anthropological folklore class (taught by Alan Dundes) a few years ago. While they may have not been the original version, they were twisted into the American mainstream at a time when Blacks were oppressed the most. Being racially insensitive to this usually shows innocent ignorance rather than racism, as was probably the case here.
Probably the case? I would bet money on it, unless you think scenarios like the following routinely happen in reality.
Flight Attendant: "OMG, two black women got on the plane! How can I subtly insult them based upon their race and still retain the appearance of being an ignorant white girl rather than the Neo-Nazi scum that I really am? I know! I'll use a nursery rhyme which is mistakenly believed to have evolved from a derogatory rhyme involving an undesirable racial slur that begins with the letter 'n,' when it in fact came to be back during the Middle Ages. Chalk up another victory for evil white folks!"
I'm not disagreeing with you that the flight attendant was not trying to be racist.
I don't know where you got any info on my ego. I don't even know where the ego is located, how to measure it, nor do I accept that it exists. Please describe how you arrived at this conclusion so I may analyze my ego for myself. I said I don't respond to personal attacks, but since I don't even know if i have one...
You haven't given any numbers about the lawsuits going up or racism going down. I don't believe that there can even be an accurate measure of racism going up or down. Even if you did a survey, people with racist beliefs almost never identify themselves as racists. But assuming what you claim is true, the lawsuits could be a CAUSE for lesser incidents of discrimination. That has always been the main point. When people know there are real, financial, repercussions to acting in a discriminatory manner, I would expect occurences to drop. In this society, money, is the only thing guaranteed to control people which is why all problems are now ending up in lawsuits.
I stated myself in my first post that i don't believe the flight attendant knew. There has never been an argument on this point. I also went in-depth as to why the ladies starting the lawsuit might have felt that race was an issue. None of us knows what these sisters believed or believe. All we have to go on is what they say. I'm sure they don't care if you ridicule or look down at them. Unlike the flight attendant, you aren't in a position to embarrass them.
Talk about comparing apples to oranges.....Japanese teenagers know nothing of the wartime atrocities of their ancestors because the school system in Japan actively teaches that Pearl Harbor never happened. I was awestruck when a friend of mine came back from Japan after working there for 6 months and informed me that Japanese schools teach children all out lies to make their nation look better......seems to be systematic revisionism. Now I know why all the Japanese that always seem to be arounf the Arizona monument are always snickering.....
but that has nothing to do with this thread. you said it yourself:
a lot of what you have been saying about racism is indeed true. ive just been trying to point out that most of it has nothing to do with this situation.
The idea and conclusion behind my comparison is the same. People who do not know the historical context of a racially sensitive situation should not be dictating to the victims how they feel about it. I'm speaking generally here (before someone accuses me again of defending the validity of the women's lawsuit)
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