WTF!! Sisters Sue airline over racist rhyme!!!

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Jimbo

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Iwentsouth

In other words you think the flight attendant needs to be put in a indoctrination camp.

I used over 1000 words, most of them spelled correctly. Apparently I have the linguistic ability to write exactly what i mean. I know the words indoctrination and camp, and would have used them if that was my meaning. No interpretation services needed, but thanks.

I'm going to ask you for a cite on that one. Can you provide it?

I googled "eny meny miny mo"+n*gger and got nothing.

"eny meny miny mo" gets plenty.

Is this the same INVENTED racism like the big freak fest that there was over the word "Picnic"?

No, the original was really "catch a N____ by the toe. That historic fact. Same with "Ten Little Indians" originally being "Ten Little N____ Boys.

Do a search for "catch a N___ by the toe" and see what pops up.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
emotional distress, right.... :

2 years worth

Made me think of what Boortz was talking about the other day. I think it was the New Jersey Teacher's Union. They had 3 "languages" in which you can download a form: English, Spanish and African American. The only difference between the English and African American version is that the African American version did not have any big words and each paragraph had only one sentence in it(topic sentence), whereas the English version had the same topic sentence as well as a few more sentences elaborating on it.

You gotta be fusking kidding me. Any links to this? :Q

Dug around on the Boortz website and could nit find it. Heard it Friday night(He was not in, so it was a best of Boortz) Had to be after the State of the Union address though since he was talking about that and the kid who got suspended because he took a cold pill to school

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Hey yowolabi

Why does it seem that only Black people know of the racist version? I'm 40 and have never heard any other version that the one with "tiger by the toe". My parents never have either. Seems to me like the Black community is the one "stuck" in the olden days of systematic racism and making sure that racism stays alive by claiming that everything they don't like is because of racism.

Why should your parents know it? They didn't use it, and no one ever directed it at them or anyone they know. Same reason that you don't know it. I don't think it's disputable that the origins of that rhyme are both racist and harmful. I might write something in-depth about this subject later, but i don't have time now. The one thing that i'll say is that racism is not being "kept alive" by black people. Again I ask, how is not letting anything I consider offensive to be said to me cause racism?

The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

This belief that skin color makes one superior cannot be caused by the above action. If someone looks at a lawsuit like this, and says "black people are _____" than I submit that the racist beliefs already existed.

 

[Danman]

Originally posted by: Triumph
I'm at a loss for words.

Join the club.

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
that is jsut so stupid...i never even knew there was a racist version of the rhyme.......

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Hey yowolabi

Why does it seem that only Black people know of the racist version? I'm 40 and have never heard any other version that the one with "tiger by the toe". My parents never have either. Seems to me like the Black community is the one "stuck" in the olden days of systematic racism and making sure that racism stays alive by claiming that everything they don't like is because of racism.

Why should your parents know it? They didn't use it, and no one ever directed it at them or anyone they know. Same reason that you don't know it. I don't think it's disputable that the origins of that rhyme are both racist and harmful. I might write something in-depth about this subject later, but i don't have time now. The one thing that i'll say is that racism is not being "kept alive" by black people. Again I ask, how is not letting anything I consider offensive to be said to me cause racism?

Racism requires intent. When you cry "racism" when none was intended, you set yourself up for ridicule. And no matter how wrong it may be, you give racists justification in their sick minds for their twisted beliefs.

 

[BoberFett]

I had no idea that rhyme ever involved the N word.

Way to dredge up old racism. I guess they want it to continue rather than end.

 

[mee987]

Originally posted by: yowolabi
1. The racist version isn't just another version of the rhyme, it's the original version. So, no, it's not the same as there just happening to be a racist version. None of you have any idea of the experiences that they have had. You guys didn't know the original version. So? They did, and i'm willing to bet their introduction to it wasn't a pleasant one.

3. From the quotes from the sisters, it sounds like they were offended as much from being talked down to, as the racial background of the song. The flight attendant said herself that the rhyme is a "funny way of getting passengers to sit down." So she was directing the rhyme at the sisters in an attempt to get them to sit down. The only problem with saying this in a "funny" way is that the the sisters weren't laughing and everyone else was. That means that instead of being part of the joke, they were the butt of the joke. If creating laughs at the expense of others is what you like to do, don't represent someone with deep pockets while you're doing it.

so much of what you said pisses me off. "being funny" doesnt mean ridiculing someone. she was not being funny at anyone's expense. dont be stupid. "peter piper picked a peck of pickled peppers" is funny, who is the butt of that joke? funny != derogatory.

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
I had no idea that rhyme ever involved the N word.

Way to dredge up old racism. I guess they want it to continue rather than end.

 

[Ronstang]

Why should your parents know it? They didn't use it, and no one ever directed it at them or anyone they know. Same reason that you don't know it. I don't think it's disputable that the origins of that rhyme are both racist and harmful. I might write something in-depth about this subject later, but i don't have time now. The one thing that i'll say is that racism is not being "kept alive" by black people. Again I ask, how is not letting anything I consider offensive to be said to me cause racism?

Well, if I don't know anything about it, and my 65 year old partents don't know anything about it then how could White poeple have used this little rhyme towards a couple of Black ladies in their mid 40's? Kinda proves my point......the N***** part of this rhyme is being kept alive by the Black community because us White's alive today have no clue of it or it's origins so thus how can my use (or that of a 22 year old White flight attendant) of some form of that rhyme be considered racist in any way?

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
I had no idea that rhyme ever involved the N word.

Way to dredge up old racism. I guess they want it to continue rather than end.

Yeah, if if dies out, they would have to come up with another reason to sue people for free money.

 

[tcsenter]

1. The racist version isn't just another version of the rhyme, it's the original version. So, no, it's not the same as there just happening to be a racist version. None of you have any idea of the experiences that they have had. You guys didn't know the original version. So?

1.1. Sorry, the nursery rhyme can trace its origins to British nursery rhymes in MIDDLE ENGLISH. The first and last verse, "eny meny miny mo" or alternatively "Eeny, meeny miny mo" are found in numerous old British nursery rhymes. ONLY the two intermediate verses seem to have arose in New England or Colonial America.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Hey yowolabi

Why does it seem that only Black people know of the racist version? I'm 40 and have never heard any other version that the one with "tiger by the toe". My parents never have either. Seems to me like the Black community is the one "stuck" in the olden days of systematic racism and making sure that racism stays alive by claiming that everything they don't like is because of racism.

Why should your parents know it? They didn't use it, and no one ever directed it at them or anyone they know. Same reason that you don't know it. I don't think it's disputable that the origins of that rhyme are both racist and harmful. I might write something in-depth about this subject later, but i don't have time now. The one thing that i'll say is that racism is not being "kept alive" by black people. Again I ask, how is not letting anything I consider offensive to be said to me cause racism?

Racism requires intent. When you cry "racism" when none was intended, you set yourself up for ridicule. And no matter how wrong it may be, you give racists justification in their sick minds for their twisted beliefs.

Only partly true. Discrimination requires intent, racism does not. I quoted the definition for racism earlier. You only need to hold the belief that race accounts for differences in character or ability to be racist. This belief does manifest itself in actions. However the actions aren't always as clear cut as calling someone N--. If you're a position of power it will manifest itself in you treating people differently when there is no logical reason to do so.

Racism is an illogical viewpoint. Seeing how it is not based on logic, it doesn't require justification, nor was it built on justification. Racists will always be able to find something to justify their viewpoint, so accepting something which offends oneself in order to pacify a group of people that are idiots, irrelevant, and are unpacifiable makes no sense.

People make the choice of whether they would rather be demeaned and discriminated against by a person or entity, or ridiculed by faceless strangers. That's their decision.

 

[mee987]

Discrimination requires intent, racism does not. I quoted the definition for racism earlier. You only need to hold the belief that race accounts for differences in character or ability to be racist. This belief does manifest itself in actions. However the actions aren't always as clear cut as calling someone N--. If you're a position of power it will manifest itself in you treating people differently when there is no logical reason to do so.

jeez, you are good at pissing me off. the woman had no idea the rhyme had any racial origins. there is NO WAY she was being racist by reciting the rhyme. you are just being stubborn now if you cant see that. honestly.

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

1. The racist version isn't just another version of the rhyme, it's the original version. So, no, it's not the same as there just happening to be a racist version. None of you have any idea of the experiences that they have had. You guys didn't know the original version. So?

1.1. Sorry, the nursery rhyme can trace its origins to British nursery rhymes in MIDDLE ENGLISH. The first and last verse, "eny meny miny mo" or alternatively "Eeny, meeny miny mo" are found in numerous old British nursery rhymes. ONLY the two intermediate verses seem to have arose in New England or Colonial America.

0wned

(i've always wanted to say that )

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Why should your parents know it? They didn't use it, and no one ever directed it at them or anyone they know. Same reason that you don't know it. I don't think it's disputable that the origins of that rhyme are both racist and harmful. I might write something in-depth about this subject later, but i don't have time now. The one thing that i'll say is that racism is not being "kept alive" by black people. Again I ask, how is not letting anything I consider offensive to be said to me cause racism?

Well, if I don't know anything about it, and my 65 year old partents don't know anything about it then how could White poeple have used this little rhyme towards a couple of Black ladies in their mid 40's? Kinda proves my point......the N***** part of this rhyme is being kept alive by the Black community because us White's alive today have no clue of it or it's origins so thus how can my use (or that of a 22 year old White flight attendant) of some form of that rhyme be considered racist in any way?

I'm reading this as you saying that if 3 isolated white people don't know the original rhyme, than this somehow proves or disproves that others don't know it. I don't have the time right now to explain fully why that's not the case. This is called convenience sampling and if you google that, you'll discover why it is not scientifically sound.

 

[mee987]

read 5 posts up from where you are looking right now yowolabi. this is called "not reading all the posts". you can google it or do whatever the hell you want with it.

 

[aphex]

too bad that plane didnt crash and we would be rid of these 2 b!tches....

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Why should your parents know it? They didn't use it, and no one ever directed it at them or anyone they know. Same reason that you don't know it. I don't think it's disputable that the origins of that rhyme are both racist and harmful. I might write something in-depth about this subject later, but i don't have time now. The one thing that i'll say is that racism is not being "kept alive" by black people. Again I ask, how is not letting anything I consider offensive to be said to me cause racism?

Well, if I don't know anything about it, and my 65 year old partents don't know anything about it then how could White poeple have used this little rhyme towards a couple of Black ladies in their mid 40's? Kinda proves my point......the N***** part of this rhyme is being kept alive by the Black community because us White's alive today have no clue of it or it's origins so thus how can my use (or that of a 22 year old White flight attendant) of some form of that rhyme be considered racist in any way?

I'm reading this as you saying that if 3 isolated white people don't know the original rhyme, than this somehow proves or disproves that others don't know it. I don't have the time right now to explain fully why that's not the case. This is called convenience sampling and if you google that, you'll discover why it is not scientifically sound.

It seems that they were wrong about the origin, read further up already.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: mee987

Discrimination requires intent, racism does not. I quoted the definition for racism earlier. You only need to hold the belief that race accounts for differences in character or ability to be racist. This belief does manifest itself in actions. However the actions aren't always as clear cut as calling someone N--. If you're a position of power it will manifest itself in you treating people differently when there is no logical reason to do so.

jeez, you are good at pissing me off. the woman had no idea the rhyme had any racial origins. there is NO WAY she was being racist by reciting the rhyme. you are just being stubborn now if you cant see that. honestly.

I stated clearly in the last paragraph of my first post that I do not personally believe that she was being racist or had any knowledge of the origins. In the future I will not respond to anyone that states my position as being the opposite of something which I have already clearly stated. I care even less that I'm pissing you off the second time you said it as I cared the first time you stated it.

Edit: I have responded to everyone but you because everyone else was debating me, and doing so without that "pissing me off" stuff. If you want to logically refute something I said, i'll respond as soon as possible, but i won't respond to things like that.

 

[911paramedic]

"Riots ain't nothing but diets for the system. Fighting with the Beast, 'no justice, no peace'. . . Niggas are sick of your white man tricks, with no treating us right. Now it's on, on sight. . . . Farrakhan for president of white America. . . . Put my chrome* to your dome*, watch it bust like a cantaloupe. . . . So who's Ice Cube? I'm a rapper, actor, macker. Got a little problem with the redneck cracker."

I am going to sue over these lyrics, they are a little more offensive than "Eenie, meenie, minie, moe; pick a seat, we gotta go."

Idiots. This is probably their second lawsuit, the first is because happy meals made them fat...

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

1. The racist version isn't just another version of the rhyme, it's the original version. So, no, it's not the same as there just happening to be a racist version. None of you have any idea of the experiences that they have had. You guys didn't know the original version. So?

1.1. Sorry, the nursery rhyme can trace its origins to British nursery rhymes in MIDDLE ENGLISH. The first and last verse, "eny meny miny mo" or alternatively "Eeny, meeny miny mo" are found in numerous old British nursery rhymes. ONLY the two intermediate verses seem to have arose in New England or Colonial America.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Iwentsouth

In other words you think the flight attendant needs to be put in a indoctrination camp.

I used over 1000 words, most of them spelled correctly. Apparently I have the linguistic ability to write exactly what i mean. I know the words indoctrination and camp, and would have used them if that was my meaning. No interpretation services needed, but thanks.

Your ego is the size of a melon, and its beliefs like yours that is keeping racism alive today. Are you by chance a part of the NAACP? Why is it that today, when racism is without a doubt at an all time low we are seeing MORE lawsuits about it then ever before? Everytime I turn a corner some black organization or black person is suing over racism. Its starting to get outrageous. When will it stop? Why can't we all just live in peace? I think the point everyone here is trying to make is that it is COMPLETELY obvious that this young 22 yr old lady was not intending racism in any way at all. Im sure that these black women knew this. These black women are just out to cause trouble. That is why they are being ridiculed and looked down upon now. Not because anyone here is racist.

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve

Originally posted by: tcsenter

1. The racist version isn't just another version of the rhyme, it's the original version. So, no, it's not the same as there just happening to be a racist version. None of you have any idea of the experiences that they have had. You guys didn't know the original version. So?

1.1. Sorry, the nursery rhyme can trace its origins to British nursery rhymes in MIDDLE ENGLISH. The first and last verse, "eny meny miny mo" or alternatively "Eeny, meeny miny mo" are found in numerous old British nursery rhymes. ONLY the two intermediate verses seem to have arose in New England or Colonial America.

arguments and lawsuit melting....before....our....eyes.....

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Queasy "stick and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me"?

:Q I'm gonna sue!