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NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: Aegeon
Originally posted by: bamacre
"...which requires the President to develop and implement a comprehensive policy to cut extreme global poverty in half by 2015 through aid, trade, debt relief, and coordination with the international community, businesses and NGOs."

Are you trying to tell me that this bill doesn't call for taking tax dollars and giving it away?
Not really on a significantly scale at least.

I suppose if you absolutely object to any dollars period being spent to try to alleviate poverty overseas this might be objectionable, but its not clear that this means a huge increase in the actual amount of US government supplied aid going overseas. By the way, you can make a strong argument that US governments supported poverty alleviation efforts can among other things improve the US's international image and help us win the war on terror. (If everyone is convinced the US actually is a clear force for good, they are obviously unlikely to cooperate with Al Queda.)

To a great extent it may be simply a matter of better coordination with non-governmental organizations and other foreign governments.

It appears the original article outright falsifies many key details and the bill doesn't specifically mandate the amount of spending the article claims.

Although I laughed out loud about the winning "the war on terror" fallacy, you were correct in what followed:

(If everyone is convinced the US actually is a clear force for good, they are obviously unlikely to cooperate with Al Queda.)

You may think I contradict myself, but thats hardly the case. "terror" is a tactic, its like having a war guerrilla warfare."Hey you can't hide behind tree's and shoot! Thats no fair!". You cannot win. Which was the point of "the war on terror" IMO. But our aggressive military actions in foreign nations provide Al Qaeda with fertile recruiting grounds and will subsequently make it more powerful than it could have ever been if we had approached it differently.
 

RichardE

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People crying about this but could care less about all the money you send Israel, or any of the "warlord flavor of the day".

"Send them guns but not food!"

That a better slogan?
 

NoStateofMind

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On the topic of Obama doing this crap though, it makes me even more apprehensive in thinking he will be our next dictat....er....president. Where is this money going to come from? It will come from the unseen tax, called inflation. But Obama supporters and others will be swayed by the attack on their conscience, thinking it is their duty to help others. Not realizing that helping others doesn't come by way of force. The true help comes from the heart and is not only received greatly, it is also repaid exponentially. Most won't understand this concept and I expect that. It isn't your fault, we were brought up thinking this is the way. Search within your own heart and see not only the truth, but also the love.

 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: RichardE
People crying about this but could care less about all the money you send Israel, or any of the "warlord flavor of the day".

"Send them guns but not food!"

That a better slogan?

Oh I care, it is no different. Sending money from my pocket without my express consent to Israel or any other nation/person for that matter is the same.
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: RichardE
People crying about this but could care less about all the money you send Israel, or any of the "warlord flavor of the day".

"Send them guns but not food!"

That a better slogan?

Oh I care, it is no different. Sending money from my pocket without my express consent to Israel or any other nation/person for that matter is the same.

Do you consider every person who voted in favor of this in the same boat as Obama?


On the other topic

110th CONGRESS

1st Session

S. 2433

To require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

December 7, 2007

Mr. OBAMA (for himself, Mr. HAGEL, and Ms. CANTWELL) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations

A BILL

To require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Global Poverty Act of 2007'.

SEC. 2. FINDINGS.

Congress makes the following findings:

(1) More than 1,000,000,000 people worldwide live on less than $1 per day, and another 1,600,000,000 people struggle to survive on less than $2 per day, according to the World Bank.

(2) At the United Nations Millennium Summit in 2000, the United States joined more than 180 other countries in committing to work toward goals to improve life for the world's poorest people by 2015.

(3) The year 2007 marks the mid-point to the Millennium Development Goals deadline of 2015.

(4) The United Nations Millennium Development Goals include the goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, that live on less than $1 per day, cutting in half the proportion of people suffering from hunger and unable to access safe drinking water and sanitation, reducing child mortality by two-thirds, ensuring basic education for all children, and reversing the spread of HIV/AIDS and malaria, while sustaining the environment upon which human life depends.

(5) On March 22, 2002, President George W. Bush stated: `We fight against poverty because hope is an answer to terror. We fight against poverty because opportunity is a fundamental right to human dignity. We fight against poverty because faith requires it and conscience demands it. We fight against poverty with a growing conviction that major progress is within our reach.'.

(6) The 2002 National Security Strategy of the United States notes: `[A] world where some live in comfort and plenty, while half of the human race lives on less than $2 per day, is neither just nor stable. Including all of the world's poor in an expanding circle of development and opportunity is a moral imperative and one of the top priorities of U.S. international policy.'.

(7) The 2006 National Security Strategy of the United States notes: `America's national interests and moral values drive us in the same direction: to assist the world's poor citizens and least developed nations and help integrate them into the global economy.'.

(8) The bipartisan Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States recommends: `A comprehensive United States strategy to counter terrorism should include economic policies that encourage development, more open societies, and opportunities for people to improve the lives of their families and enhance prospects for their children.'.

(9) At the summit of the Group of Eight (G-8) nations in July 2005, leaders from all eight participating countries committed to increase aid to Africa from the current $25,000,000,000 annually to $50,000,000,000 by 2010, and to cancel 100 percent of the debt obligations owed to the World Bank, African Development Bank, and International Monetary Fund by 18 of the world's poorest nations.

(10) At the United Nations World Summit in September 2005, the United States joined more than 180 other governments in reiterating their commitment to achieve the United Nations Millennium Development Goals by 2015.

(11) The United States has recognized the need for increased financial and technical assistance to countries burdened by extreme poverty, as well as the need for strengthened economic and trade opportunities for those countries, through significant initiatives in recent years, including the Millennium Challenge Act of 2003 (22 U.S.C. 7701 et seq.), the United States Leadership Against HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria Act of 2003 (22 U.S.C. 7601 et seq.), the Heavily Indebted Poor Countries Initiative, and trade preference programs for developing countries, such as the African Growth and Opportunity Act (19 U.S.C. 3701 et seq.).

(12) In January 2006, United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice initiated a restructuring of the United States foreign assistance program, including the creation of a Director of Foreign Assistance, who maintains authority over Department of State and United States Agency for International Development (USAID) foreign assistance funding and programs.

(13) In January 2007, the Department of State's Office of the Director of Foreign Assistance added poverty reduction as an explicit, central component of the overall goal of United States foreign assistance. The official goal of United States foreign assistance is: `To help build and sustain democratic, well-governed states that respond to the needs of their people, reduce widespread poverty and conduct themselves responsibly in the international system.'.

(14) Economic growth and poverty reduction are more successful in countries that invest in the people, rule justly, and promote economic freedom. These principles have become the core of several development programs of the United States Government, such as the Millennium Challenge Account.

SEC. 3. DECLARATION OF POLICY.

It is the policy of the United States to promote the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

SEC. 4. REQUIREMENT TO DEVELOP COMPREHENSIVE STRATEGY.

(a) Strategy- The President, acting through the Secretary of State, and in consultation with the heads of other appropriate departments and agencies of the United States Government, international organizations, international financial institutions, the governments of developing and developed countries, United States and international nongovernmental organizations, civil society organizations, and other appropriate entities, shall develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

(b) Content- The strategy required by subsection (a) shall include specific and measurable goals, efforts to be undertaken, benchmarks, and timetables to achieve the objectives described in subsection (a).

(c) Components- The strategy required by subsection (a) should include the following components:

(1) Continued investment or involvement in existing United States initiatives related to international poverty reduction, such as the United States Leadership Against HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria Act of 2003 (22 U.S.C. 7601 et seq.), the Millennium Challenge Act of 2003 (22 U.S.C. 7701 et seq.), and trade preference programs for developing countries, such as the African Growth and Opportunity Act (19 U.S.C. 3701 et seq.).

(2) Improving the effectiveness of development assistance and making available additional overall United States assistance levels as appropriate.

(3) Enhancing and expanding debt relief as appropriate.

(4) Leveraging United States trade policy where possible to enhance economic development prospects for developing countries.

(5) Coordinating efforts and working in cooperation with developed and developing countries, international organizations, and international financial institutions.

(6) Mobilizing and leveraging the participation of businesses, United States and international nongovernmental organizations, civil society, and public-private partnerships.

(7) Coordinating the goal of poverty reduction with other development goals, such as combating the spread of preventable diseases such as HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, and malaria, increasing access to potable water and basic sanitation, reducing hunger and malnutrition, and improving access to and quality of education at all levels regardless of gender.

(8) Integrating principles of sustainable development and entrepreneurship into policies and programs.

(d) Reports-

(1) INITIAL REPORT-

(A) IN GENERAL- Not later than 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President, acting through the Secretary of State, shall submit to the appropriate congressional committees a report on the strategy required under subsection (a).

(B) CONTENT- The report required under subparagraph (A) shall include the following elements:

(i) A description of the strategy required under subsection (a).

(ii) An evaluation, to the extent possible, both proportionate and absolute, of the contributions provided by the United States and other national and international actors in achieving the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

(iii) An assessment of the overall progress toward achieving the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

(2) SUBSEQUENT REPORTS- Not later than December 31, 2012, and December 31, 2015, the President shall submit to the appropriate congressional committees reports on the status of the implementation of the strategy, progress made in achieving the global poverty reduction objectives described in subsection (a), and any changes to the strategy since the date of the submission of the last report.

SEC. 5. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) APPROPRIATE CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES- The term `appropriate congressional committees' means--

(A) the Committee on Foreign Relations and the Committee on Appropriations of the Senate; and

(B) the Committee on Foreign Affairs and the Committee on Appropriations of the House of Representatives.

(2) EXTREME GLOBAL POVERTY- The term `extreme global poverty' refers to the conditions in which individuals live on less than $1 per day, adjusted for purchasing power parity in 1993 United States dollars, according to World Bank statistics.

(3) GLOBAL POVERTY- The term `global poverty' refers to the conditions in which individuals live on less than $2 per day, adjusted for purchasing power parity in 1993 United States dollars, according to World Bank statistics.

(4) MILLENNIUM DEVELOPMENT GOALS- The term `Millennium Development Goals' means the goals set out in the United Nations Millennium Declaration, General Assembly Resolution 55/2 (2000).

Is the bill in its entirety


Reading over it, it seems to be more or less saying "were spending X million of dollars a year already, lets try and make sure were doing something proper with it instead of dropping fishing news in villages not anywhere near water, and not just handing boxes of money over to warlords" which is pretty much what the states are doing right now. In the end this bill actually seems like its going to take the money your paying towards world development and just manage it better. The money spent overseas is just going to be spent more efficiently.
 

bamacre

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The best thing we could ever do for the rest of the world would be to go back to being a beacon of freedom, hope, and prosperity. An America that leads the world by example.

Giving in this manner is not charity, and it is not moral. Charity is given freely. This is stealing, and stealing from the "rich" to give to the poor is still stealing.

To think that opposition to this bill is immoral is incorrect. What is immoral is leaving a financial nightmare to our children. With an already $8 trillion debt, and a coming skyrocketing of SS and medicare costs, our country is already going bankrupt. To ignore this, to think we can continue making financial promises we simply cannot keep is immoral.

Craig234 brings up his idea of "democracy," and representation. I ask you, Craig234, where is the representation for those who are not old enough to vote? Where is the representation for those not yet born? For this government, regardless of party affiliation, is surely already spending their money that they have not yet earned. To think they will gladly take on the financial nightmare we are leaving them is insane. And thinking that government spends money responsibly and morally, that too is insane.

Our founders created this country with the idea of a small federal government, with little power. And they did this for very good reason. Power is corrupt, government is corrupt. Our founders were well educated on political philosophy and history. This wasn't just an idea that they pulled out of their asses.

"Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth." - George Washington

Only through freedom can people obtain real prosperity. If we want to make others prosper, they must be free. In order to be free, they must thirst for freedom. Freedom is not something that can be spread through force. It is force that attempts to squash freedom. America must again be that beacon of hope, that great example, that free men can live and be prosperous.

And while you may give them food, and shelter, without freedom, they are still slaves, and you have given them nothing.

To squash the freedom in America only destroys the hopes of others. America must lead the world again, as a shining example of freedom, peace, and prosperity. We owe it to ourselves, we owe it to our children, and we owe it to the rest of the world.
 

theeedude

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Obama is empty populist suit. I laugh when Republicans support him over Hillary. It's like these liberal idiots who support Ron Paul.
 

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Charity begins at home and I live alone. I want all my money for me. I am the only family that counts. I me me mine as far as I can see. I give lots of money away all to me. I am generous to myself.

It is not charity when there is a gun to my head forcing me to pay.

Please, no one forces you to live in the United States. No matter how much this bill stinks, it IS charity, not stealing, because you choose to live here. Seriously, get a clue.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Charity begins at home and I live alone. I want all my money for me. I am the only family that counts. I me me mine as far as I can see. I give lots of money away all to me. I am generous to myself.

It is not charity when there is a gun to my head forcing me to pay.

Please, no one forces you to live in the United States. No matter how much this bill stinks, it IS charity, not stealing, because you choose to live here. Seriously, get a clue.

I will assume you are being sarcastic.
 

daveymark

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Obama is empty populist suit. I laugh when Republicans support him over Hillary. It's like these liberal idiots who support Ron Paul.

sadly, it looks like it's going to be 4 more years of the same old garbage until one of the parties get their heads out of the sand and nominates someone who isn't worthless :(

Obama and McCain are my choices? seriously? ugh.
 

compuwiz1

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Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: senseamp
Obama is empty populist suit. I laugh when Republicans support him over Hillary. It's like these liberal idiots who support Ron Paul.

sadly, it looks like it's going to be 4 more years of the same old garbage until one of the parties get their heads out of the sand and nominates someone who isn't worthless :(

Obama and McCain are my choices? seriously? ugh.

We're fucked. There are no good choices. Frankly, I don't think, no matter who you vote for, that the person is a good choice, given what we have to choose from.

Someone please lock the door, before the Paulbots come crashing in. ;)

 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: senseamp
Obama is empty populist suit. I laugh when Republicans support him over Hillary. It's like these liberal idiots who support Ron Paul.

sadly, it looks like it's going to be 4 more years of the same old garbage until one of the parties get their heads out of the sand and nominates someone who isn't worthless :(

Obama and McCain are my choices? seriously? ugh.

We're fucked. There are no good choices. Frankly, I don't think, no matter who you vote for, that the person is a good choice, given what we have to choose from.

Someone please lock the door, before the Paulbots come crashing in. ;)


Oh, we are here. :cool:

And we see you are not happy with the crop of leftovers. :D

And you shouldn't be. Ever thought about a career in juggling? ;)
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Introduced in Senate: This is the original text of the bill as it was written by its sponsor and submitted to the House for consideration.
Text of Legislation

S 2433 IS

110th CONGRESS

1st Session

S. 2433

To require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

December 7, 2007

Mr. OBAMA (for himself, Mr. HAGEL, and Ms. CANTWELL) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations

A BILL

To require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Global Poverty Act of 2007'.

SEC. 2. FINDINGS.

Congress makes the following findings:

(1) More than 1,000,000,000 people worldwide live on less than $1 per day, and another 1,600,000,000 people struggle to survive on less than $2 per day, according to the World Bank.

(2) At the United Nations Millennium Summit in 2000, the United States joined more than 180 other countries in committing to work toward goals to improve life for the world's poorest people by 2015.

(3) The year 2007 marks the mid-point to the Millennium Development Goals deadline of 2015.

(4) The United Nations Millennium Development Goals include the goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, that live on less than $1 per day, cutting in half the proportion of people suffering from hunger and unable to access safe drinking water and sanitation, reducing child mortality by two-thirds, ensuring basic education for all children, and reversing the spread of HIV/AIDS and malaria, while sustaining the environment upon which human life depends.

(5) On March 22, 2002, President George W. Bush stated: `We fight against poverty because hope is an answer to terror. We fight against poverty because opportunity is a fundamental right to human dignity. We fight against poverty because faith requires it and conscience demands it. We fight against poverty with a growing conviction that major progress is within our reach.'.

(6) The 2002 National Security Strategy of the United States notes: `[A] world where some live in comfort and plenty, while half of the human race lives on less than $2 per day, is neither just nor stable. Including all of the world's poor in an expanding circle of development and opportunity is a moral imperative and one of the top priorities of U.S. international policy.'.

(7) The 2006 National Security Strategy of the United States notes: `America's national interests and moral values drive us in the same direction: to assist the world's poor citizens and least developed nations and help integrate them into the global economy.'.

(8) The bipartisan Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States recommends: `A comprehensive United States strategy to counter terrorism should include economic policies that encourage development, more open societies, and opportunities for people to improve the lives of their families and enhance prospects for their children.'.

(9) At the summit of the Group of Eight (G-8) nations in July 2005, leaders from all eight participating countries committed to increase aid to Africa from the current $25,000,000,000 annually to $50,000,000,000 by 2010, and to cancel 100 percent of the debt obligations owed to the World Bank, African Development Bank, and International Monetary Fund by 18 of the world's poorest nations.

(10) At the United Nations World Summit in September 2005, the United States joined more than 180 other governments in reiterating their commitment to achieve the United Nations Millennium Development Goals by 2015.

(11) The United States has recognized the need for increased financial and technical assistance to countries burdened by extreme poverty, as well as the need for strengthened economic and trade opportunities for those countries, through significant initiatives in recent years, including the Millennium Challenge Act of 2003 (22 U.S.C. 7701 et seq.), the United States Leadership Against HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria Act of 2003 (22 U.S.C. 7601 et seq.), the Heavily Indebted Poor Countries Initiative, and trade preference programs for developing countries, such as the African Growth and Opportunity Act (19 U.S.C. 3701 et seq.).

(12) In January 2006, United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice initiated a restructuring of the United States foreign assistance program, including the creation of a Director of Foreign Assistance, who maintains authority over Department of State and United States Agency for International Development (USAID) foreign assistance funding and programs.

(13) In January 2007, the Department of State's Office of the Director of Foreign Assistance added poverty reduction as an explicit, central component of the overall goal of United States foreign assistance. The official goal of United States foreign assistance is: `To help build and sustain democratic, well-governed states that respond to the needs of their people, reduce widespread poverty and conduct themselves responsibly in the international system.'.

(14) Economic growth and poverty reduction are more successful in countries that invest in the people, rule justly, and promote economic freedom. These principles have become the core of several development programs of the United States Government, such as the Millennium Challenge Account.

SEC. 3. DECLARATION OF POLICY.

It is the policy of the United States to promote the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

SEC. 4. REQUIREMENT TO DEVELOP COMPREHENSIVE STRATEGY.

(a) Strategy- The President, acting through the Secretary of State, and in consultation with the heads of other appropriate departments and agencies of the United States Government, international organizations, international financial institutions, the governments of developing and developed countries, United States and international nongovernmental organizations, civil society organizations, and other appropriate entities, shall develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

(b) Content- The strategy required by subsection (a) shall include specific and measurable goals, efforts to be undertaken, benchmarks, and timetables to achieve the objectives described in subsection (a).

(c) Components- The strategy required by subsection (a) should include the following components:

(1) Continued investment or involvement in existing United States initiatives related to international poverty reduction, such as the United States Leadership Against HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria Act of 2003 (22 U.S.C. 7601 et seq.), the Millennium Challenge Act of 2003 (22 U.S.C. 7701 et seq.), and trade preference programs for developing countries, such as the African Growth and Opportunity Act (19 U.S.C. 3701 et seq.).

(2) Improving the effectiveness of development assistance and making available additional overall United States assistance levels as appropriate.

(3) Enhancing and expanding debt relief as appropriate.

(4) Leveraging United States trade policy where possible to enhance economic development prospects for developing countries.

(5) Coordinating efforts and working in cooperation with developed and developing countries, international organizations, and international financial institutions.

(6) Mobilizing and leveraging the participation of businesses, United States and international nongovernmental organizations, civil society, and public-private partnerships.

(7) Coordinating the goal of poverty reduction with other development goals, such as combating the spread of preventable diseases such as HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, and malaria, increasing access to potable water and basic sanitation, reducing hunger and malnutrition, and improving access to and quality of education at all levels regardless of gender.

(8) Integrating principles of sustainable development and entrepreneurship into policies and programs.

(d) Reports-

(1) INITIAL REPORT-

(A) IN GENERAL- Not later than 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President, acting through the Secretary of State, shall submit to the appropriate congressional committees a report on the strategy required under subsection (a).

(B) CONTENT- The report required under subparagraph (A) shall include the following elements:

(i) A description of the strategy required under subsection (a).

(ii) An evaluation, to the extent possible, both proportionate and absolute, of the contributions provided by the United States and other national and international actors in achieving the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

(iii) An assessment of the overall progress toward achieving the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

(2) SUBSEQUENT REPORTS- Not later than December 31, 2012, and December 31, 2015, the President shall submit to the appropriate congressional committees reports on the status of the implementation of the strategy, progress made in achieving the global poverty reduction objectives described in subsection (a), and any changes to the strategy since the date of the submission of the last report.

SEC. 5. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) APPROPRIATE CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES- The term `appropriate congressional committees' means--

(A) the Committee on Foreign Relations and the Committee on Appropriations of the Senate; and

(B) the Committee on Foreign Affairs and the Committee on Appropriations of the House of Representatives.

(2) EXTREME GLOBAL POVERTY- The term `extreme global poverty' refers to the conditions in which individuals live on less than $1 per day, adjusted for purchasing power parity in 1993 United States dollars, according to World Bank statistics.

(3) GLOBAL POVERTY- The term `global poverty' refers to the conditions in which individuals live on less than $2 per day, adjusted for purchasing power parity in 1993 United States dollars, according to World Bank statistics.

(4) MILLENNIUM DEVELOPMENT GOALS- The term `Millennium Development Goals' means the goals set out in the United Nations Millennium Declaration, General Assembly Resolution 55/2 (2000).

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So there is no "0.7% gdp" requirement. It's a number that the author pulls out of his rectum. The costs depend on how things are implemented.
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: bamacre
WTF? This is why I don't like Obama, he's just like the rest. Take money out of MY wallet and send it overseas. It is not charity when there's a gun to your head.

You don't like Obama because you're a Paulbot. All the rest is fluff.
 

glugglug

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Originally posted by: Carmen813
Well whats the bill do?

"In addition to seeking to eradicate poverty, that declaration commits nations to banning ?small arms and light weapons? and ratifying a series of treaties, including the International Criminal Court Treaty, the Kyoto Protocol (global warming treaty), the Convention on Biological Diversity, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women, and the Convention on the Rights of the Child"

Bingo!

After reading that it makes more sense. We aren't just giving the money away. It's being used as an incentive to get those countries to do what we want them to. China's pollution is so bad it is affecting the western U.S., from across the Pacific. This basically says we'll pay them to clean up their act, and if they don't, they don't get the money.

I don't like it, in fact on principle its a bad idea setting a horrible precedent, but at least it's not as idiotic as the OP makes it sound.

 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: glugglug
Originally posted by: Carmen813
Well whats the bill do?

"In addition to seeking to eradicate poverty, that declaration commits nations to banning ?small arms and light weapons? and ratifying a series of treaties, including the International Criminal Court Treaty, the Kyoto Protocol (global warming treaty), the Convention on Biological Diversity, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women, and the Convention on the Rights of the Child"

Bingo!

After reading that it makes more sense. We aren't just giving the money away. It's being used as an incentive to get those countries to do what we want them to. China's pollution is so bad it is affecting the western U.S., from across the Pacific. This basically says we'll pay them to clean up their act, and if they don't, they don't get the money.

I don't like it, in fact on principle its a bad idea setting a horrible precedent, but at least it's not as idiotic as the OP makes it sound.


Actually IMO, it makes it worse than what the OP stated. GWOP(global war on poverty), global gun control, MMGW BS, and I'd have to look at the ICC treaty but I think that makes our soldiers subject to other rules which is insane. So it's not just GWOP like the OP stated, it's much much worse and it smacks of repressive socialism.
 

Deeko

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*sigh* Are you serious? This is why no one respects you Paulbots.

That said, while it is very clearly not stealing (seeing as income tax, sorry paulbots, is in the constitution you hold so dear *cue the controversy over it being ratified*), I am not a proponent of spending that kind of money to aid other nations when we clearly need to aid our own citizens still.
 

Genx87

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Poverty is such a subjective term. It is the perfect war for politicians who require a split between classes to get elected.

This guy is nothing but your typical politician expoliting such issues to get elected. So much for change...............
 

shiner

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There was a chemistry professor in a large college that had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab, the prof noticed one young man, an exchange student, who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt.

The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist regime.

In the midst of his story, he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked: 'Do you know how to catch wild pigs?' The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said that it was no joke.

'You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side.. The pigs, which are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat that free corn again. You then slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd. Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.'

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening in America . The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/Socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tax cuts, tax exemptions, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc.. While we continually lose our freedoms, just a little at a time.
 

CitizenKain

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
There was a chemistry professor in a large college that had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab, the prof noticed one young man, an exchange student, who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt.

The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist regime.

In the midst of his story, he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked: 'Do you know how to catch wild pigs?' The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said that it was no joke.

'You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side.. The pigs, which are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat that free corn again. You then slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd. Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.'

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening in America . The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/Socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tax cuts, tax exemptions, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc.. While we continually lose our freedoms, just a little at a time.

You forgot the FW:FW:FW:RE:RE> READ THIS on that story.
 

piasabird

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Our poverty or theirs?

Didnt the Democrats claim the country could not afford to have a 1.5% Tax cut?

It must be easier to give it away than it is to collect it.