WTF Obama? Global Poverty Act?

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Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: bamacre
I'm more interested in a government that protects the American way of life rather American lives.

Huh? How can you have the American way of life without Americans.
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: bamacre
I'm more interested in a government that protects the American way of life rather American lives.

Huh? How can you have the American way of life without Americans.

Your eyes are closed, so you cannot understand. I'd rather be a dead American than a living Brit.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Charity begins at home and I live alone. I want all my money for me. I am the only family that counts. I me me mine as far as I can see. I give lots of money away all to me. I am generous to myself.

It is not charity when there is a gun to my head forcing me to pay.

Please stop that tired, weak, argument. There's no gun to your head. Paying taxes is part of living in this country. I don't like paying for a lot of crap the government does with my tax money but I don't get to pick and choose where my money goes. Neither do you. That's life. If you don't like it try another country that fits your needs. That or cry about it on an internet forum. Whatever works for you...


You have become way too comfortable with paying Income Taxes. Please remember that the constitution was written specifically NOT to allow taxes on personal income, and for good reason. Also, personal income taxes are not exactly the only source of revenue for our federal government.

My taxes go to things like road construction, education, police, fire, etc, etc. If we weren't paying taxes how do you think those things would be funded? Charity? Good luck with that.

Again, if you don't like the tax system in this country move to one that has all the benefits we have in the US and doesn't tax your income. Let us know when you find it.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: bamacre
I'm more interested in a government that protects the American way of life rather American lives.

Huh? How can you have the American way of life without Americans.

Your eyes are closed, so you cannot understand. I'd rather be a dead American than a living Brit.

:confused: Where do you come up with this stuff?
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: bamacre
I'm more interested in a government that protects the American way of life rather American lives.

Huh? How can you have the American way of life without Americans.

Your eyes are closed, so you cannot understand. I'd rather be a dead American than a living Brit.

:confused: Where do you come up with this stuff?

I pull it out of Moonbeam's ass.
 

Socio

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Hahahaha! Yep...steal from your own citizens to help the rest of the world. Sounds good, noble and like something that should be done by the wealthiest nation in the world.

BUT

If you want to do than then make damn sure that nobody, not one single fucking person, in this country is impoverished, lacking education, lacking healthcare, living in substandard housing or goes to bed hungry at night. Until then...fuck the rest of the world.

Since most of that money will be usurped from White middle class America and a majority of it will go to Africa it sure seems more like this is really just a round about way for a Black man to stick it to the White man and benefit the Black man while he is at it than a ?noble? cause

This will likely be typical of the covert minority favoring agendas he will carry out if elected President so we might as well get used to it because he is practically elected already.
 

BeauJangles

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Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Hahahaha! Yep...steal from your own citizens to help the rest of the world. Sounds good, noble and like something that should be done by the wealthiest nation in the world.

BUT

If you want to do than then make damn sure that nobody, not one single fucking person, in this country is impoverished, lacking education, lacking healthcare, living in substandard housing or goes to bed hungry at night. Until then...fuck the rest of the world.

Since most of that money will be usurped from White middle class America and a majority of it will go to Africa it sure seems more like this is really just a round about way for a Black man to stick it to the White man and benefit the Black man while he is at it than a ?noble? cause

This will likely be typical of the covert minority favoring agendas he will carry out if elected President so we might as well get used to it because he is practically elected already.

He couldn't favor bills that help the less fortunate because he's a democrat and a liberal. Nah, that can't be it, it must be because he's black and hates white people!

Socio, unless my sarcasm meter is broken, your post is one of the most covertly (like my use of the word?) racist I've read on Anandtech.
 

Throckmorton

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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
The ignorance, greed and lack of any basic human decency, manifested by some of the people who posted in this thread is staggering!

Anita, if IIRC you are not from the USA. Here we follow a different philosiphy about government and charity. We do not like to mix the two, preferring instead that charity be handled by nonprofit, non-governmental organizations.

Governments have a very poor track record in this area. We prefer ours generally stay out of it.

Fern

No we don't. If anything, we consider foreign aid is an issue of national security. I'm 100% sure that Condoleeza Rice will agree with me that foreign aid makes us safer, and she herself said that it's the right thing to do.


I thought the Iraq war was a huge foreign aid operation. Iraqi freedom and all that... We're spending quite a nation building, which is a GOOD thing unless you're some Ron Paul internet zombie.
 

Noobtastic

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Originally posted by: Farang
First, using a 13-year total is sort of a shock tactic that I don't appreciate in the article. Calculate what our government expenditures will be in total during those years and it'll be some astronomical figure.

What worries me about this is, anyone can pledge money to fight poverty but how do they plan on using this money? I don't want to see it fill the pockets of dictators which is usually the case. Until these countries develop real social contracts between government and the people, corruption will continue to flourish alongside poverty.

Exactly.

Billions of dollars are donated by American citizens and government every year overseas (UNICEF is a popular target), but unfortunately most of this money ends up in directors salaries or like the only person said, dictators of the developing world...

You want to end poverty Obama? Stop supporting the countries that host it. You can forget Africa because nobody can touch that, but China and the Asia still has potential to be fixed. End our blind support for China, India, and Pakistan, force other nations to comply with international standards or face deadly repercussions.

Policing the world is the only way to end poverty, not throwing money at the problem. But in the end the only that thing that's going to do is CONTINUE the problem. Contributing the the vicious cycle is not the proper way to do things Harvard Man.

Why don't we allocate .7% of our budget to impoverished AMERICANS. Not stupid social programs or welfare, but charitable organizations that provide resources necessary to get this people off the streets and into the work force. That's where we should be going, not f**king Africa.

Home team is #1. Not #2, not #1.5, #1!!
Stupid Obama. Seriously the guy is riding on his race and that's it. No I'm not a racist, but this is a blatant fact.
 

Socio

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Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Hahahaha! Yep...steal from your own citizens to help the rest of the world. Sounds good, noble and like something that should be done by the wealthiest nation in the world.

BUT

If you want to do than then make damn sure that nobody, not one single fucking person, in this country is impoverished, lacking education, lacking healthcare, living in substandard housing or goes to bed hungry at night. Until then...fuck the rest of the world.

Since most of that money will be usurped from White middle class America and a majority of it will go to Africa it sure seems more like this is really just a round about way for a Black man to stick it to the White man and benefit the Black man while he is at it than a ?noble? cause

This will likely be typical of the covert minority favoring agendas he will carry out if elected President so we might as well get used to it because he is practically elected already.

He couldn't favor bills that help the less fortunate because he's a democrat and a liberal. Nah, that can't be it, it must be because he's black and hates white people!

Is it not plausable that it can be both;

The fact that he is sponsoring a bill that will deliberately target funds mostly derived from middle class America which is predominantly White and will largely benefit African nations which are predominantly black speaks for it self.

I never said he hates White people but I do believe he like most every Black American in the US sports a White chip on his shoulder and thus consciously or subconsciously feels the White man owes and is obligated to make them pay. If so he is simply killing two birds with one stone, helping the less fortunate and making the White man pay for it, fulfilling his conscious/subconscious obligation.


 

GrGr

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Meh, just cut down on the ridiculously bloated military budget a little :D

The military is already eating up more than half of your tax dollar.
 

SleepWalkerX

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Charity begins at home and I live alone. I want all my money for me. I am the only family that counts. I me me mine as far as I can see. I give lots of money away all to me. I am generous to myself.

It is not charity when there is a gun to my head forcing me to pay.

Please stop that tired, weak, argument. There's no gun to your head. Paying taxes is part of living in this country. I don't like paying for a lot of crap the government does with my tax money but I don't get to pick and choose where my money goes. Neither do you. That's life. If you don't like it try another country that fits your needs. That or cry about it on an internet forum. Whatever works for you...


You have become way too comfortable with paying Income Taxes. Please remember that the constitution was written specifically NOT to allow taxes on personal income, and for good reason. Also, personal income taxes are not exactly the only source of revenue for our federal government.

My taxes go to things like road construction, education, police, fire, etc, etc. If we weren't paying taxes how do you think those things would be funded? Charity? Good luck with that.

Again, if you don't like the tax system in this country move to one that has all the benefits we have in the US and doesn't tax your income. Let us know when you find it.

I'm sure that an average American won't have a problem with their tax money going towards things that improve their lives. I can see a problem that the average American might have with their money being freely given out over seas.

The Income Tax is just a tangled mess. Its completely unfair, complicated, and terribly inefficient. If you don't realize how horrible the Income Tax is then I'm really not sure what to tell you.

Last thing, we shouldn't have to "move" out of this country. I hold the idea that our forefathers envisioned a free society where one didn't have move to find freedom and happiness. No thanks, I'll rather stay and fight flawed policies in the country I was born in. We had a perfectly functioning society (we even had roads!) before without all the government pork we have today so there's no reason we can't scale back and still freely prosper.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Originally posted by: Farang
First, using a 13-year total is sort of a shock tactic that I don't appreciate in the article. Calculate what our government expenditures will be in total during those years and it'll be some astronomical figure.

What worries me about this is, anyone can pledge money to fight poverty but how do they plan on using this money? I don't want to see it fill the pockets of dictators which is usually the case. Until these countries develop real social contracts between government and the people, corruption will continue to flourish alongside poverty.

Exactly.

Billions of dollars are donated by American citizens and government every year overseas (UNICEF is a popular target), but unfortunately most of this money ends up in directors salaries or like the only person said, dictators of the developing world...

You want to end poverty Obama? Stop supporting the countries that host it. You can forget Africa because nobody can touch that, but China and the Asia still has potential to be fixed. End our blind support for China, India, and Pakistan, force other nations to comply with international standards or face deadly repercussions.

Policing the world is the only way to end poverty, not throwing money at the problem. But in the end the only that thing that's going to do is CONTINUE the problem. Contributing the the vicious cycle is not the proper way to do things Harvard Man.

Why don't we allocate .7% of our budget to impoverished AMERICANS. Not stupid social programs or welfare, but charitable organizations that provide resources necessary to get this people off the streets and into the work force. That's where we should be going, not f**king Africa.

Home team is #1. Not #2, not #1.5, #1!!
Stupid Obama. Seriously the guy is riding on his race and that's it. No I'm not a racist, but this is a blatant fact.

Yet another poster who didn't bother to read the thread.

You might want to wipe that egg of your face.
 

bradley

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Originally posted by: quikah
You know, you can read the ACTUAL BILL at http://thomas.loc.gov/. The bill number is S.2433

It essentially says, the president need to make a plan to fight global poverty. That is pretty much it. The actual bill is pretty short.

Doesn't seem all that insane to me. It is kind of a worthless bill, doesn't give any specifics.

Sounds similar to Obama's campaign platform. I'm actually waiting for the specifics. He doesn't have much of a true record of leadership where we could even marginally fill in the blanks.

 

Nemesis 1

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I can't believe some of the replies in this thread.

First you don't give a starving man fish . You teach him how to fish.

Second the federal tax law is unconstitutional to start with. Sharing wealth isn't capitalism ists socialism. To top it off . Its not the rich they want to share the wealth its the average persons money they want . BOTH sides .

THe federal government was never intended to be this Hugh ugly evil beast that it is now. Run by evil doers (lawyers). Wake up smell the roses . Lawyers Dems and Rep. Use double speak to duke the American People. Its time to put down our differances and pick up our guns. Without revolution soon we are doomed. Go back to our orgins and only add one new law. NO lawyers in allowed in the running of the government.

I personally If I had 1 wish . I would wish every lawyer every where was dead.

The world would be much better place.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: GrGr
Meh, just cut down on the ridiculously bloated military budget a little :D

The military is already eating up more than half of your tax dollar.
That was either a joke or you are totally ignorant.

The military eats up about 20% of our Federal budget.
When you include state and local taxes, which are not quite the same amount as the Federal budget, you can figure out that around 10% of 'tax dollars' goes to defense.
 

SickBeast

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Originally posted by: bamacre
WTF? This is why I don't like Obama, he's just like the rest. Take money out of MY wallet and send it overseas. It is not charity when there's a gun to your head.
You know what though? Giving money like that would probably do more to stop terrorism than anything the military can do.

How does 0.7% compare with current US military spending? It's probably a drop in the bucket.
 

Craig234

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May 1, 2006
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Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I can't believe some of the replies in this thread.

First you don't give a starving man fish . You teach him how to fish.

Second the federal tax law is unconstitutional to start with. Sharing wealth isn't capitalism ists socialism. To top it off . Its not the rich they want to share the wealth its the average persons money they want . BOTH sides .

THe federal government was never intended to be this Hugh ugly evil beast that it is now. Run by evil doers (lawyers). Wake up smell the roses . Lawyers Dems and Rep. Use double speak to duke the American People. Its time to put down our differances and pick up our guns. Without revolution soon we are doomed. Go back to our orgins and only add one new law. NO lawyers in allowed in the running of the government.

I personally If I had 1 wish . I would wish every lawyer every where was dead.

The world would be much better place.

That's a sick and ignorant view.

First, the lawyers do some essential good, too. If a negligent doctor makes your wife infertile, do you want someone representing her? Do you want the laws of the land to make any sense, or do you want the chaos that not having any clear laws would bring? Do you want the Supreme Court who interprets the laws to have any legal abilities?

Second, your rage is misplaced in large part - the lawyers are the peons of the powerful interests who pay them to do the things you don't like. You're not attacking the cause - and you are of course not saying anything useful regardless. Why don't you get informed a little more and look at the issues in a more informed manner, and better get an idea what might help, which has more to do with a need for populist, informed politics against the concentration of wealth and power?