The need for charity is enormous because we build our society on the hate that is at the root of competition. To meet huge needs require huge organization and only governments can do that. The efficiency or inefficiency of government isn't determined by what is government or private, but the quality and intentions of the people who are the government. Nothing people do really works very well because everybody hates himself and inwardly wants to fail. You have to awaken to who you are to see how you yourself ruin your own life. You won't awaken if you fear what you'll find.
The need for charity is enormous because we build our society on the hate that is at the root of competition. To meet huge needs require huge organization and only governments can do that. The efficiency or inefficiency of government isn't determined by what is government or private, but the quality and intentions of the people who are the government. Nothing people do really works very well because everybody hates himself and inwardly wants to fail. You have to awaken to who you are to see how you yourself ruin your own life. You won't awaken if you fear what you'll find.
AnitaPeterson
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My point precisely. And please note that I'm not bashing all the U.S. government or population - my beef is with the aggressive, politically inept, semi-illiterate, knee-jerking zombies whose seemingly sole preoccupation is to yell "ZOMG, our holy SOVEREIGNTY is endangered by the UN!!! Down with the World Government, Illuminati, Bilderbergers, masons, Trilateral commissioners, reptiloids etc.!"
Vic
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Only if they don't count private charity. In which case, it's as slanted, biased, and untruthful an argument as the OP's article.
If you add it all up, private and public, the US gives more than any other country by far, both per capita and in total.
Reptiloids? OMG, I didn't know about those. It may be too late for me. I saw a strange foot print leading under my bed.
palehorse
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Originally posted by: palehorse74
edit: Here's a link to some 2002 figures
Interesting figures... but what does it tell us beyond seeing that Norway is by far the most charitable place in the known Universe?
hmm...
edit 2: This site here has the U.S. listed as 9th in the world, as of 2004... and once again Norway is KICKING ARSE!
Interestingly enough, I don't see China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, Syria, UAE, Venezuala, or Saudi Arabia on any of the lists...
imagine that!
Vic
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Okay, well, wow, the Norwegians are certainly some generous folks. But hey, they have lots of oil and about as many people as Atlanta, so you gotta take some of those per capita figures with a grain of salt.
edit: oops, I posted this at the same time as your reply to my other post.
edit: oops, I posted this at the same time as your reply to my other post.
rpanic
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It?s not about what the money is I could care less if it was based on monkeys, moonstones, gold, or buffalo chips. My problem is that he acts so nonchalant about it as if we have unlimited resources.
And as far as the rest of our leaders go they are no better, but two wrongs don?t make a right. Just like when people use the argument about all the money blown by Bush and he is a republican, he is also the worse president we have ever had and is following a whole string of horrible presidents.
I liked the guy until I started learning more about him, now I have to figure out who going to cause the least damage, what a way to have to vote.
Arkaign
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On March 22, 2002, President George W. Bush stated: `We fight against poverty because hope is an answer to terror. We fight against poverty because opportunity is a fundamental right to human dignity. We fight against poverty because faith requires it and conscience demands it. We fight against poverty with a growing conviction that major progress is within our reach.'.
^^^ For the Bush apologists who would flame Obama for continuing the ongoing program supported by Bush in the first place.
-1 for the insane OP twisting of the fairly generic fluff bill that this is.
^^^ For the Bush apologists who would flame Obama for continuing the ongoing program supported by Bush in the first place.
-1 for the insane OP twisting of the fairly generic fluff bill that this is.
Vic
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Yaknow, on that note, have you ever looked into the response to Katrina by the Mormon church? I'm not a big fan of the church, but they really truly are one of the world's most efficient charitable organizations. They were on the ground and moving in NOLA before anyone else, even the Red Cross, and one city official described their level of organization as "It was a though a major corporation, like a Fortune 500 company, but one designed solely for charity and large-scale disaster relief, had arrived in our city out of nowhere ready to do business."
Originally posted by: palehorse74
I guess we could just take foreign aid totals and divide them by the sources' populations, thus deriving the "foreign aid per capita" amount for each country...
Anyone in the mood to do a little extracurricular math?
edit: Here's a link to some 2002 figures
Interesting figures... but what does it tell us beyond seeing that Norway is by far the most charitable place in the known Universe?
hmm...
edit 2: This site here has the U.S. listed as 9th in the world, as of 2004... and once again Norway is KICKING ARSE!
A lot of European foreign aid is for other European countries, especially within the EU. They're basically giving money to themselves. Quite generous of them!
Fern
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Exactly.
From what I've heard the only decent/effective assistance has been from private charity/church stuff.
At least the gov finally found something to do with all those FEMA trailers - they're going to tornado victims. Somehow, I find it ironic that tornado victims get trailers to live in.
Fern
bamacre
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You have become way too comfortable with paying Income Taxes. Please remember that the constitution was written specifically NOT to allow taxes on personal income, and for good reason. Also, personal income taxes are not exactly the only source of revenue for our federal government.
bamacre
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Moonbeam, I don't know why you persist in thinking that our government is in total, nor in part, anything resembling a "charity" organization, nor should it ever be one.
What are you afraid of seeing? Charity is given freely. Forcing people to pay via taxes is not charity.
And to use the words, "government," "efficiency," and "organization," in one sentence, well, you know as well as I do, that's a bunch of bunk.
The private sector has, does, and always will, do a better job delivering charity among those who need it. Simply comparing the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, or any other charity like the St. Jude Children's Research Hospital founded by Danny Thomas, to the US government will prove that time and time again.
The government is inefficient and can't do anything right. The government is inefficient and can't do anything right. The government is inefficient and can't do anything right. The government is inefficient and can't do anything right. The government is inefficient and can't do anything right. The government is inefficient and can't do anything right. The government is inefficient and can't do anything right. The government is inefficient and can't do anything right.
Let's put Brownie in charge and underfund FEMA. Let's put Brownie in charge and underfund FEMA. Let's put Brownie in charge and underfund FEMA. Let's put Brownie in charge and underfund FEMA. Let's put Brownie in charge and underfund FEMA. Let's put Brownie in charge and underfund FEMA. Let's put Brownie in charge and underfund FEMA. Let's put Brownie in charge and underfund FEMA.
See the government can't do anything right. See the government can't do anything right. See the government can't do anything right. See the government can't do anything right. See the government can't do anything right. See the government can't do anything right. See the government can't do anything right. See the government can't do anything right.
The government is as good as the people who elect the people who run it. You are the government and it is worthless it's because you are too.
By the way I hear the Katrina disaster is all in the past because the Mormons have fixed all the damage and brought everybody back. Next they're doing the levees.
Let's put Brownie in charge and underfund FEMA. Let's put Brownie in charge and underfund FEMA. Let's put Brownie in charge and underfund FEMA. Let's put Brownie in charge and underfund FEMA. Let's put Brownie in charge and underfund FEMA. Let's put Brownie in charge and underfund FEMA. Let's put Brownie in charge and underfund FEMA. Let's put Brownie in charge and underfund FEMA.
See the government can't do anything right. See the government can't do anything right. See the government can't do anything right. See the government can't do anything right. See the government can't do anything right. See the government can't do anything right. See the government can't do anything right. See the government can't do anything right.
The government is as good as the people who elect the people who run it. You are the government and it is worthless it's because you are too.
By the way I hear the Katrina disaster is all in the past because the Mormons have fixed all the damage and brought everybody back. Next they're doing the levees.
Fern
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It's more than just government inefficiency, which by the way is fact.
To somehow imply that the entire FEMA catastrophy was due soley or in large part to one guy doesn't say much about all the other FEMA employees.
But philosophically, those who advocate a limited role for government can't support such an increase. Now you guys want to task the US gov with the role of eliminating global poverty? From what I hear they're not succeeding in eliminating poverty in US. It makes no sence to therefore expand that task to the rest of the world.
Otherwise, I sense this is just a bunch of feelgood gov BS anyway. I suppose we'll soon have to listen to these insufferable bags of gut wind boast of curing global poverty.
Fern
Typical righty confused incoherent blather.
First, everything in society is inefficient, i.e., not 100% efficient. The question is how inefficient. It's not a boolean.
Second, The government is more efficient than alternatives at some things, and less at others. Rational, reasonable people look at the issue; ideologues spout platitudes.
First, it's not just one guy, it's a larger issue with the lack of support for FEMA, which had been downgraded under Bush, e.g., removed from cabinet status. Republicans can't govern.
Second, you understate the role the leader plays.
Good troops do worse with a bad general, or a bad administration that undertrains/underequips them; good generals do worse with bad troops.
Because you are basing your policy on blind ideology and nothing rational. You're not fit to be a voter.
Not eliminate it, reduce it, take constructive steps to help. Yes, that works. And it works a lot better than your head in the sand do nothing position, that does, well, nothing.
You know, yesterday I was thinking, what if the US had not yet put a man on the moon, and a democrat suggested it now.
The righties would all say how the government couldn't possibly, and should not, do it. Inefficiency! Incompetence! And yet, the democrats did it. Ideology, at war with the facts.
Republicans lack any understanding of the role of government, pretty much, grasping at a few misunderstood nuggets of principle and abusing them for evil purposes.
Define succeeding. Poverty has been greatly reduced in the US. The last major long-term reduction (cut it by a third) was LBJ's great society; before that it was FDR's programs.
Your do-nothing Republicans have achieved, well, basically nothing.
How would you know, since you have not done any rational analysis, and only spouted ideology?
Beats listening to these insufferable bags of gut say why not to.
We need a fucking Mormon Bill Gates army to defend the nation for free. That fucking us Army is run by the Government. We're screwed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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