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I'm Surprisingly optimistic about this. Of course, I've been rooting for nVidia since they were the underdog and 3dfx has been king.
I think with the combined assets of both companies we will get great video cards out of it. This was inevitable.
I encourage all of you to be optimistic and to wait and see what comes of this. Why not? You might just end up with a kick ass card out of it.
The price thing, I don't think nVidia will keep jacking up the price. I think they've already recieved enough flack from the prices of the GF2 Ultra. The sales figures can probably tell them that. It would be insane for them to start charging more for a video card than it costs for a processor and motherboard together.
Amazing things could come of this...
I think with the combined assets of both companies we will get great video cards out of it. This was inevitable.
I encourage all of you to be optimistic and to wait and see what comes of this. Why not? You might just end up with a kick ass card out of it.
The price thing, I don't think nVidia will keep jacking up the price. I think they've already recieved enough flack from the prices of the GF2 Ultra. The sales figures can probably tell them that. It would be insane for them to start charging more for a video card than it costs for a processor and motherboard together.
Amazing things could come of this...
That $1,500 is most likely for professional video cards like their current Quadro 2 Pro/MX cards, which, cost more than a Geforce 2 Ultra card.
Well, this really sucks, but I suppose it could help in a way.
We may finally have a video card that has the best of both worlds now. Each card will have all the features both companies have been working on.
Unfortunately, the card prices are probably gonna go up.
We may finally have a video card that has the best of both worlds now. Each card will have all the features both companies have been working on.
Unfortunately, the card prices are probably gonna go up.
I don't think the prices on the next-gen card going to go up that much. If it is, it would be bad for Nvidia. The average computer user don't give a jack for video card unlike CPU and will just jump on other brand such as ATI. It is the people who always want the greatest and latest all the time that will be heavily affected. Besides, before a complete take over of the market is successful, Nvidia is stupid if it jacks up the prices now.
Aureal decided to make their own boards.
S3 decided to make their own boards by aquiring diamond.
3dfx decided to make their own boards by aquiring STB.
Common result: owned
S3 decided to make their own boards by aquiring diamond.
3dfx decided to make their own boards by aquiring STB.
Common result: owned
it really doesnt matter at all what has just happened. 3 years from now i tell you guys, we will all be running integrated chipsets on our computers. I barely use the 3d part of my card as it is. Next company i see dying is matrox. ATI and Nvidia are alread coming out with chipsets. Micron is coming out with a chipset, and with their past acquisition of rendition they are there. VIA is there. Matrox i'm afraid is DEAD unless ALI or SIS eventually buy them. THe computer world has left the hobbyist stage, as we see so much consolidation. IT will soon be like calculators or something. We have come to a new era of competition amongst hardware logic companies. They are no longer called video card companies, or chipset companies, they are just hardware logic. How many floppy, and IDE companies have been destroyed? Next company that dies is network card and homePNA companies. All of that is integrated into the chipset now. Outside of all the really hardcore gamers, integrated video will suit 99% of people in 3 years (its probably fine for 90% now, but 3d has yet to catch up). 3dfx made great products, and i'm gonna miss that 2d quality, but the computer industy is not a hobbyist thing anymore, its just an industry making commodity products. I realized today, that i being a computer science major, there are two things i really should be learning. JAVA and ASM programming for embedded systems. I tell you once, they integrate everything together hardware wise (it'll happen soon, i'm sure the CPU will be integrated to the integrated chipset soon, and we'll basically all be running playstations with keyboards, with either an AMD hardware logic, or an INTEL hardware logic, and probably more companies will come out with CPUs for maybe a 3rd company).
This is my prediction anyways. 3 years from now, many systems will have a integrated chipset, with built in homepna, lan, modem, graphics unit (with T&L and tons of 3d that will be plenty fast for most games) , possibly some sort of slot for a add on 3d accelerator (like a voodoo2 type deal, since 2d has already hit the top), ram will still be made upgradeable but probably not in 10 years though. Harddrives companies will further consolidate since it really doesnt matter, either that or become specialty server storage solution providers. And lastly this type of consolidation spells doom for sites that do mainly hardware reviews (I.E. this site and thousands more like it) . I think i just described the xbox?
This is my prediction anyways. 3 years from now, many systems will have a integrated chipset, with built in homepna, lan, modem, graphics unit (with T&L and tons of 3d that will be plenty fast for most games) , possibly some sort of slot for a add on 3d accelerator (like a voodoo2 type deal, since 2d has already hit the top), ram will still be made upgradeable but probably not in 10 years though. Harddrives companies will further consolidate since it really doesnt matter, either that or become specialty server storage solution providers. And lastly this type of consolidation spells doom for sites that do mainly hardware reviews (I.E. this site and thousands more like it) . I think i just described the xbox?
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3Dfx is not getting near the features out that ATI and Nvidia are managing. On the other hand, their chipsets have consistently kicked ass when it came to raw power. This could prove a good move fore both companies (patent rights to the good bits of 3Dfx's technology). As far as monopolies go, ATI is still right on their heels, and I have a nagging feeling that a higher-end PowerVR solution is on the way (They must have gone out and gotten smashed when they saw their Kyro get positive reviews. Definitely a first for anything with PowerVR on it). NVidia has competition. This may just let them come out ahead for a bit longer...
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<< If you think about it might actually be GOOD, NV20 w/ TwinView, HSR, and quality FSAA? That is if they keep the price low... >>
For the short-term, ATI will be deciding that. If the Raedon goes down, the GF will follow. Soon it will be the Nv20. The top-of-the-line cards have always been expensive. The GF2s started around $400. That went to $350 and then $300 within a month or two, and stayed as such for quite awhile. The prices didn't really start lowering until the Raedon...when they had real competition. As long as they don't stay too far ahead of other companies, there isn't too much to worry about (yes, I am posting so I can finally get the "Junior Member" thing off of this account).
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It seems most people are starting to worry about future pricing on Nvidia cards,well wait & see what happens if it`s to expensive don`t buy it,there are other companies out there(ATi & Matrox)The MX range has been selling well & I`m sure Nvidia will not over look this type of card on their future prodoucts.
Besides you have choices like I said ,buy or don`t buy, or go with another company or wait for prices to drop.No good complaining when we don`t have control on pricing,but we do have control on buying.
Besides you have choices like I said ,buy or don`t buy, or go with another company or wait for prices to drop.No good complaining when we don`t have control on pricing,but we do have control on buying.
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I'm amazed some of you think that whatever's been in development for like 2-3 years will ever see the light of the day. The only viable reason for aquisition I see is lawsuit settlement and patent issue.
Think about it:
What company would be crazy enough to afford 2 absolutely different lines of products in the same generation? Production, marketing, support for 2 products at the same time? 2 products that were supposed to compete?
Bye-bye Fear and Rampage and Sage and whatever else there was or could have been...
This sucks
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FVCK
I'm amazed some of you think that whatever's been in development for like 2-3 years will ever see the light of the day. The only viable reason for aquisition I see is lawsuit settlement and patent issue.
Think about it:
What company would be crazy enough to afford 2 absolutely different lines of products in the same generation? Production, marketing, support for 2 products at the same time? 2 products that were supposed to compete?
Bye-bye Fear and Rampage and Sage and whatever else there was or could have been...
This sucks
<< I encourage all of you to be optimistic and to wait and see what comes of this. >>
I already know what will come out of this:
1. Heaps of praise from reviewers who get special "review samples" that never hang up or cause Windows shutdown problems.
2. Everyone else will be playing lottery with poor quality crap made by the lowest bidder.
<< Why not? You might just end up with a kick ass card out of it. >>
Yeah, just like my old GeForce DDR - kickass card that freezes every time I try to play a game.
For example, look at these quotes from the Asus:
'Because GeForce2 GTS DDR GPU consumes a lot of power, don't use AGP-V7700 with the mainboard which AGP power is provided by linear regulator'
'Intel chipset based motherboard recommended'
Great, so if I want to play Q3, I'm supposed to find out what the hell a "linear regulator" is. Well, to be honest, I don't care what it is, and if I have to become an expert in linear regulators just to play some goddamn game, well screw it. I want a graphics card so that I can play a game, not worry whether I have "fast writes" or some other crap enabled. At least Asus is honest enough to put these on the box - other manufacturers don't even do that.
It's amazing to watch people jump to conclusions around here. FUD. Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.
Stop spreading FUD. Everyone just needs to step back and take a breath. What people fail to realize is that we are the niche segment, performance enthusiasts (addicts if you will). We comprise but a small portion of the market. Just because we don't like the quality of ATI's drivers/cards, doesn't mean your average, "uneducated" consumer knows any better.
The bottom line is that people hate change, and yet change is the only constant. People love to ride the shirt tails of the underdog, until the underdog wins the race. Then it's time to find another underdog ...
I for one am not a zealot. I don't care who makes my video card, sound card, processor, etc ... as long as I get the BEST PERFORMANCE for the AMOUNT of MONEY that I want to spend. If I can't afford a $1,000 video card, so be it. But I want the best I can get for the $250 that I CAN afford.
Sit back, relax, and be more objective ...
Stop spreading FUD. Everyone just needs to step back and take a breath. What people fail to realize is that we are the niche segment, performance enthusiasts (addicts if you will). We comprise but a small portion of the market. Just because we don't like the quality of ATI's drivers/cards, doesn't mean your average, "uneducated" consumer knows any better.
The bottom line is that people hate change, and yet change is the only constant. People love to ride the shirt tails of the underdog, until the underdog wins the race. Then it's time to find another underdog ...
I for one am not a zealot. I don't care who makes my video card, sound card, processor, etc ... as long as I get the BEST PERFORMANCE for the AMOUNT of MONEY that I want to spend. If I can't afford a $1,000 video card, so be it. But I want the best I can get for the $250 that I CAN afford.
Sit back, relax, and be more objective ...
I just bought a V5 5500 yesterday because I hoped that HSR drivers would kick ass and I was tired of my SH*TTY Prophet 2 MX locking up my TBird/Irongate system (and corrupting my filesystem). I also had it with the crappy visual quality in Q3A and only moderate framerates in everything but Q3A. I am not sure what to do with the $200 dollar purchase I made yesterday (V5 5500). I will either return it or cross my fingers and hope that 3Dfx can pull out an amazing HSR (or at least a good farwell) driver. At least I have system stability, though!
hans007 is right, up there about the intregration stuff. . but i think that vid cards might merge with audio cards and in the future, we'll see cards for different a/v apps and mainboards, and maybe scsi won't integrate. like buy a mianboard, and you want to do websurfing only on a pc with a dinky monitor and sound some times, you buy "cheap a/v card" or you want to watch dvd's with 5.1 suround. you buy "dvd5.1 surround" card, i hope you understand what i'm sayin cuase idont
First of all, we all had a little to do with 3DFXs demise. All the reviews that bashed the V5 and all the members that bashed the card caused alot of people to not actually go out there and try what was a pretty decent card. I guess 100fps is way better than 80fps, especially when our eyes can't even decipher the difference
The only question I want answered is who approached who? If 3DFX was the one to go to Nvidia why wouldn't they sell out to ATI? That way it's better for the consumers, who by the way 3DFX cares most about. If they cared that much they would have sold their tech somewhere else.
Cheap video cards rawk!!!! Let the anti-Nvidia revolution begin. We now need to find a new underdog.
The only question I want answered is who approached who? If 3DFX was the one to go to Nvidia why wouldn't they sell out to ATI? That way it's better for the consumers, who by the way 3DFX cares most about. If they cared that much they would have sold their tech somewhere else.
Cheap video cards rawk!!!! Let the anti-Nvidia revolution begin. We now need to find a new underdog.
Well this is it. This marks the end of my computer habit. I have to pay a butt load of cash to get marginal performance upgrades. woohoo. I'll go with ATI. Yea...right! I LOOOVE incomplete drivers! I'll go with Matrox...actually I might, however they're ALWAYS one step behind. Wait wait...I'm quitting.
I'm gonna go buy a Dreamcast.
Paul
-hater of consoles, even moreso angry at Nvidia.
I'm gonna go buy a Dreamcast.
Paul
-hater of consoles, even moreso angry at Nvidia.
<< I guess 100fps is way better than 80fps, especially when our eyes can't even decipher the difference >>
We probably can't tell the difference between a steady 100 and 80 FPS.
But, we can tell the difference between 100FPS AVERAGE and 80 FPS AVERAGE.
If nVidia honestly expects me to pay $500 bucks for a great card, I think I'm gonna stick to console gaming. This sh*t is getting rediculous.
<< Our long term goal is to make our 3D graphics technology available to everyone who can benefit from it. We want to be the best graphics solution, top-to-bottom, in each market segment from entry level to high-end. So if you have $100, $300, $500 or $1,500 dollars to invest in graphics for your computer, the best choice for you will be a solution from NVIDIA. >>
At $100 MSRP USD - I would suppose that the GeForce2 MX would fill this spot at least until something along the MX-guise, but based on NV20-generation technology comes online.
At $300 MSRP USD - I would expect the standard NV20 with 64MB 250mhz DDR DRAM to slip into this price point.
At $500 MSRP USD - I'd have to guess that this would be an NV20 with 128MB of perhaps even higher speed DDR DRAM. This is analogous to what we have today in going from a stock GF2 GTS to a GF2 Ultra.
At $1500 MSRP USD - We are talking about professional solutions here only. Akin to what we have now from Nvidia with the Quadro and Quadro2.
What many people here fail to realize is that there is no mainstream market for video cards once the price point goes much beyond the $300 USD mark. Products like the GF2 Ultra priced at $500 are purely niche products and will never come close to generating the volume a $300 card will. Are there people buying Ultras? Yes. There will always be a small segment of the market that's willing to pay to have the best equiptment available at all times. However, to suggest that Nvidia will somehow predicate their business model solely around $500 video cards is absurd.
At $100 MSRP USD - I would suppose that the GeForce2 MX would fill this spot at least until something along the MX-guise, but based on NV20-generation technology comes online.
At $300 MSRP USD - I would expect the standard NV20 with 64MB 250mhz DDR DRAM to slip into this price point.
At $500 MSRP USD - I'd have to guess that this would be an NV20 with 128MB of perhaps even higher speed DDR DRAM. This is analogous to what we have today in going from a stock GF2 GTS to a GF2 Ultra.
At $1500 MSRP USD - We are talking about professional solutions here only. Akin to what we have now from Nvidia with the Quadro and Quadro2.
What many people here fail to realize is that there is no mainstream market for video cards once the price point goes much beyond the $300 USD mark. Products like the GF2 Ultra priced at $500 are purely niche products and will never come close to generating the volume a $300 card will. Are there people buying Ultras? Yes. There will always be a small segment of the market that's willing to pay to have the best equiptment available at all times. However, to suggest that Nvidia will somehow predicate their business model solely around $500 video cards is absurd.
<< At $1500 MSRP USD - We are talking about professional solutions here only. Akin to what we have now from Nvidia with the Quadro and Quadro2. >>
Ya, you're probably right. Let's hope so.
Again... some of you are over reacting to this situation and spreading FUD.
with the Geforce 2 Ultra, running for about $500 american.
You of all people should know why the Ultra is so much more expencive then the GTS.
with the Geforce 2 Ultra, running for about $500 american.
You of all people should know why the Ultra is so much more expencive then the GTS.
Well one thing isn't FUD and thats Nvidia's 2D which is more like FUBAR
For those not in the know->FUBAR, F**ked Up Beyond All Recognition.
For those not in the know->FUBAR, F**ked Up Beyond All Recognition.
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