wow, the emigrants in Calais screwing with truckers is just insane.

[StinkyPinky]

I don't get it. These people are all trying to get into the UK? They travel through all of Europe to get there?

Surely genuine refugees would stop in the first safe country.

I find that video terrifying. Just hordes of angry young men. Even if the EU let's them in legally, they will just create ethnic slums and crime. Europe is killing itself with its soft stance.

 

[zinfamous]

So You Say....

and you're saying they aren't.

"so you say..."

 

[shortylickens]

I don't get it. These people are all trying to get into the UK? They travel through all of Europe to get there?

Surely genuine refugees would stop in the first safe country.

I find that video terrifying. Just hordes of angry young men. Even if the EU let's them in legally, they will just create ethnic slums and crime. Europe is killing itself with its soft stance.

UK is similar to the US in that they love illegals and will give them jobs & healthcare and not go out of their way to get rid of them.

They arent going to the UK because its nice. They're going to the UK because its easy to exploit.
Same reason Latin Americans come to the US. Wanna know for sure?
Go anywhere with lots of illegals. Ask them how they feel. They'll be more than happy to let you know exactly how and why their old country was SO much better than America.

 

[Indus]

Same reason Latin Americans come to the US. Wanna know for sure?
Go anywhere with lots of illegals. Ask them how they feel. They'll be more than happy to let you know exactly how and why their old country was SO much better than America.

America is not easy to exploit as an illegal alien.

I actually know over 200 illegal aliens in my neighborhood. Not 1 is on any sort of government assistance.

That may change when they become US citizens but until then they have 0 privileges like SNAP/ TANF/ HEAP/ SSI that they exploit.

Here is the actual text:

To be eligible for SNAP, most non-citizens must be in a qualified alien category and meet one additional condition.

What is considered an additional condition?

5 years of residence – has lived in the U.S. as a qualified alien for 5 years from the date of entry.

40 qualifying work quarters – an LPR with credit for 40 qualifying work quarters.

 

[Zaap]

Surely genuine refugees would stop in the first safe country.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/08/calais-migrant-camp-uk-syria/401459/

This report states that at least back in August there were roughly 150 Syrian refugees out of some 3,000 people in the migrant camps at Calais. And even there it states they are a seperate group from the others.

I think Syrian refugees are perhaps being unduely blamed in this. Unless there's some valid source that this has transformed from a mostly North African illegal immigrant issue to a Syrian refugee issue, it seems to me people may just be talking the word of an irate and fed up truck driver for it.

 

[waggy]

fucking racist.

they don't know that roads are deadly. they aren't used to having so many vehicles. As for checking the back of the trucks they are just making sure they are locked up tight.

 

[werepossum]

How the hell can they vet them with no documentation or government?

Right. You can't. Obama is blowing smoke and mirrors.

You forget - Obama is magic.

Well that is certainly fucked up. That is profiling isn't it?

Well, maybe not. I don't think gay men blow up very often. Or if they do, they have the decency to keep it in airport restrooms and don't kill anyone.

 

[werepossum]

The problem is that many of these people leave their shithole of a country to move to a good country, and then bring the same bullshit that made their country a shithole with them. Countries don't just magically become a shithole or prosperous -- it's just land. It's the people living in those countries and their culture that make them what they are.

Exactly, and well said.

 

[Blanky]

It's crazy, they are basically being invaded.

I'm glad some countries such as Canada have now expressed strong concerns about allowing men-only from these countries. It's these guys who are not assimilating properly and causing havoc.

The problem is that many of these people leave their shithole of a country to move to a good country, and then bring the same bullshit that made their country a shithole with them. Countries don't just magically become a shithole or prosperous -- it's just land. It's the people living in those countries and their culture that make them what they are.

Fucking exactly. Been saying this forever. If you want to jump in with both feet into France or Australia and start waving the flag, go for it. It's the people who have moved physically but take too much of their home country's shit with them that are the problem. Nobody in the West should be ashamed to claim their country is better than Syria or Jordan because it damn well is.

 

[shortylickens]

Exactly, and well said.

I agree with that as well.

Its their way of life and values and attitudes that caused the problems in the first place. You cannot run from that. It follows you. You recreate it wherever you go.

 

[OutHouse]

That didnt sound like french. So isnt he an immigrant or emigrant as well?

Is this a serious question?

 

[master_shake_]

why not just move them all to alaska?

if i had the choice to fight or move to alaska i'd stay.

 

[CZroe]

That didnt sound like french. So isnt he an immigrant or emigrant as well?

He's an over-the-road trucker crossing a border who complains that it's like this every day. It's obvious that he crosses EU member country borders like an OTR trucker here crosses states, which indicates that he may not reside in the UK or France anyway. Because he's an EU citizen, I'm sure he could stay in France or the UK if he wanted to.

 

[pcgeek11]

You seem to you have deeply researched this since you already called it smoke and mirrors. So can you describe the process and who is involved?

No, I cannot as the present administration has not disclosed anything other than "an extensive vetting process". Now what does that mean? I don't trust the present administration as they have told so many lies etc. If you were smart you wouldn't either.

I do call it bull shit until I see evidence that supports otherwise.

 

[pcgeek11]

and you're saying they aren't.

"so you say..."

Hey you are pretty sharp!

 

[Bitek]

This isn't new. This isn't a recent Syrian refugees thing. This has been going on for at least 15 years. I remember seeing documentaries about this 10 years ago, how it sucks ass to be a truck driver driving from France to the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5FIsmquQqA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxcsP4vWN8Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulxAfyoZhAM

The governments involved are so deballed that it's the truckers that get fined ridiculous amounts (2000pounds per immigrant) for anyone that manages to get on their vehicles and cross- and they're extremely clever about it.

Not to worry- the bleeding hearts here won't be happy until things are just as bad here.

BTW, can't find it right now but there are some excellent documentaries out there about the flip side of this: the people who make it across to the UK and spend their time there leeching the system, stealing, and basically being total parasites with a system that refuses to deal with them, costing the native populace a fortune. But hey- you exist for that.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/08/calais-migrant-camp-uk-syria/401459/

This report states that at least back in August there were roughly 150 Syrian refugees out of some 3,000 people in the migrant camps at Calais. And even there it states they are a seperate group from the others.

I think Syrian refugees are perhaps being unduely blamed in this. Unless there's some valid source that this has transformed from a mostly North African illegal immigrant issue to a Syrian refugee issue, it seems to me people may just be talking the word of an irate and fed up truck driver for it.

This is correct. This has been a long standing issue, and for quite sure time it's been black north Africans that have been the culprits in large numbers. This isn't just a recent Syrian problem. The EU has failed to control is borders effectively for a long time. The UK is only protected by the English channel, hence the swarming at the port.

He's an over-the-road trucker crossing a border who complains that it's like this every day. It's obvious that he crosses EU member country borders like an OTR trucker here crosses states, which indicates that he may not reside in the UK or France anyway. Because he's an EU citizen, I'm sure he could stay in France or the UK if he wanted to.

Many of the lorry drivers are eastern Europeans. Not particularly loved in the UK either, but they do have right of passage

 

[glenn1]

He's an over-the-road trucker crossing a border who complains that it's like this every day. It's obvious that he crosses EU member country borders like an OTR trucker here crosses states, which indicates that he may not reside in the UK or France anyway. Because he's an EU citizen, I'm sure he could stay in France or the UK if he wanted to.

Not to derail the thread, but how did the term "over-the-road" trucker get decided upon as the standard? Is there some secret government program of under the road truckers that the general public isn't aware of, so we needed to further clarify the already clear meaning of "trucker" to distinguish it from their subterranean counterparts?

 

[brycejones]

No, I cannot as the present administration has not disclosed anything other than "an extensive vetting process". Now what does that mean? I don't trust the present administration as they have told so many lies etc. If you were smart you wouldn't either.

I do call it bull shit until I see evidence that supports otherwise.

So you're making it up. Got it.

Here is some info do with it as you will:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...fact-sheet-5-questions-about-syrian-refugees/

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Our vetting process sucks...we never learn.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qa...terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131

 

[mikeymikec]

nvm

 

[Ham n' Eggs]

So you're making it up. Got it.

Here is some info do with it as you will:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...fact-sheet-5-questions-about-syrian-refugees/

Do the refugees get background checks?
The refugees admissions program, created in 1980 and retooled after 9/11, does actually perform background checks on all refugees, to the extent possible.


Before refugees face U.S. screening, they must get a referral from the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (or occasionally a U.S. embassy or another NGO). The UN refers about 1 percent of refugees for resettlement through its own vetting process, which takes four to 10 months. During that process, UN officials decide if people actually qualify as refugees, if they require resettlement, and which country would accept them.


Once the cases are passed along to the United States, the refugees undergo security clearances. Their names, biographical information and fingerprints are run through federal terrorism and criminal databases. Meanwhile, the refugees are interviewed by Department of Homeland Security officials. If approved, they then undergo a medical screening, a match with sponsor agencies, "cultural orientation" classes and one final security clearance.


Syrian refugees in particular must clear one additional hurdle. Their documents are placed under extra scrutiny and cross-referenced with classified and unclassified information.


The process typically takes one to two yearsor longerand happens before a refugee ever gets onto American soil.

economic migrants are flowing into europe with no documents and claiming to be refugees. zero papers. zero documents. for many if they have documents they leave them behind or destroy them. so the whole idea of "scrutinizing documents" is a joke. You can search govt and spy databases all you want but if a person ain't in the database you get no info.

"to the extent possible"

 

[CZroe]

Not to derail the thread, but how did the term "over-the-road" trucker get decided upon as the standard? Is there some secret government program of under the road truckers that the general public isn't aware of, so we needed to further clarify the already clear meaning of "trucker" to distinguish it from their subterranean counterparts?

There are different kinds of trucking jobs including those that stay within town, those that go to and from town, and those that go to and from distant locations that have nothing to do with where you or your employer call home. That third type is "over the road."

 

[Blanky]

Our vetting process sucks...we never learn.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qa...terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131

It's because people are so afraid of being vilified as racists or bigots or xenophobes or whatever else <insertword>phobe that they refuse to act in rational ways and use what's between their ears. So we end up seeing situations like we see in Germany, a country still deeply shamed by its role in the holocaust, and yet part of this shame carries with it a guilt that at the same time is allowing the immigration of vast sums of people from the middle east, the world's best breeding ground for anti-semitism, where views on jews are extremely low. It's ridiculous. People in the middle east just hate the jews: http://www.adl.org/press-center/pre...referrer=https://www.google.com/#.Vl-4OnarSUk so I know, let's have Germany as a beacon to them, that sounds like a great plan.

 

[pcgeek11]

So you're making it up. Got it.

Here is some info do with it as you will:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...fact-sheet-5-questions-about-syrian-refugees/

I call BS. Where are they getting the documentation considering the present state of the Syrian Government?

I really like the statement " To the extent possible". I wouldn't let any in. That is right not even 1.

Make a camp in northern Syria and protect it with UN or NATO troops. Let them live there.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Wow, so now we consider refugees to be cowards. I think I'm living in a mad world right now. I am seeing firsthand how a populace's opinion can be easily swayed against an entire group of people. So a trucker gets held up in traffic for a few hours? These people don't have a home and were forced to leave the country they were born in, but screw them because I was inconvenienced?

It's not who they are, but how they are acting. And because of how they are acting, yes, screw them.