Wow, another win for Obama. North Korea halts nuclear testing and will come to table

ky54

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Good lord you can't possibly be that naive. Or did you forget the sarcasm tags?
 

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/29/north-korea-suspend-nuclear-tests-us

Damn that Obama, turning the economy around and using diplomacy to make the world safer for our children.

At this rate Putin and Saakashvili will be drinking Vodka while Netanyahu and Abbas dance at a party in the West Bank.

So obama did this . Just like we seen the body of the hide and seek champ. LOL your lite buld has burned out .

This had nothing to do with koreans decicision right?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...ad-at-age-69/2011/12/18/gIQAnedU3O_story.html
 

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Good lord you can't possibly be that naive. Or did you forget the sarcasm tags?

Who knows, but we'll see how this shakes out.

Of course this has nothing to do with Obama or the US.

From the article:

The announcement comes little more than two months after the death of Kim Jong-il

Yes, this brave man who diplomatically died. Okey doke.
 

Texashiker

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Damn that Obama, turning the economy around and using diplomacy to make the world safer for our children.

obama has nothing to do with the people of north korea starving.

Over the past few decades, the failed policies of north korea has brought the country to its knees. NK did this to itself, obama had nothing to do with it.
 

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I believe President Obama would never get credit for anything from the right no matter what it is...case in point bagging OBL.
 

Blackjack200

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oh right, forgot. Obama has nothing to do with diplomatic negotiations. he can only control the price of gasoline.
 

Craig234

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I believe President Obama would never get credit for anything from the right no matter what it is...case in point bagging OBL.

If you remember, all the Fox hosts stated their congratulations for that... for Bush. Didn't mention Obama.

He just happened to be in office when Bush's plan - which included disbanding the unit hunting for bin Laden at the CIA before Obama made it a priority - got him.
 

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If you remember, all the Fox hosts stated their congratulations for that... for Bush. Didn't mention Obama.

He just happened to be in office when Bush's plan - which included disbanding the unit hunting for bin Laden at the CIA before Obama made it a priority - got him.

You left out the water-boarding. :)
 

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/29/north-korea-suspend-nuclear-tests-us

Damn that Obama, turning the economy around and using diplomacy to make the world safer for our children.

At this rate Putin and Saakashvili will be drinking Vodka while Netanyahu and Abbas dance at a party in the West Bank.


Given that this has happened at least once a term for all the previous presidents back through Carter; it is better to see what happens 6 months from now rather than jump for joy.

Offers to talk if aid is provided.
Aid is provided, talks are stopped for one reason or another.

Rinse and repeat.

Possibly with a new leader in NK, this may be different. Not holding my breath.
 

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The U.S. was getting pretty close in negotiations prior to Kim's death. Negotiations were suspended for a few months, then resumed.

Contrast this with calling North Korea part of an "axis of evil." The views of many nations toward the U.S. and its citizens have increased greatly over the past few years, thanks to better diplomacy.
 

lothar

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/29/north-korea-suspend-nuclear-tests-us

Damn that Obama, turning the economy around and using diplomacy to make the world safer for our children.

At this rate Putin and Saakashvili will be drinking Vodka while Netanyahu and Abbas dance at a party in the West Bank.
Don't count your chickens before they hatch.
North Korea also did this in the 90's and yet we are here today.
I predict that once they get the food/oil aid to survive their current famine crisis, they will be back to their old ways.

Let's see where we are on this issue in 10-20 years.

Before his death, the US and North Korea were close to such an agreement, which appears to meets US preconditions for restarting the six-nation talks suspended three years ago.
Obama finally gave up on this idea he campaigned on in 2008 of meeting without preconditions?
Good to know.
 

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Given that this has happened at least once a term for all the previous presidents back through Carter; it is better to see what happens 6 months from now rather than jump for joy.

Offers to talk if aid is provided.
Aid is provided, talks are stopped for one reason or another.

Rinse and repeat.

Possibly with a new leader in NK, this may be different. Not holding my breath.

Very true. If this works though, if will make the world a much safer place for all, including U.S. citizens. What would be funny, if it wasn't so pathetic, is that in about 3 years, we'll have people in this forum saying "I can't believe we give food aid to NK. We should bomb them back to the stone age. We've got hungry people in the U.S."
 

fskimospy

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Guys, the purpose of these talks in general is not to actually get North Korea to stop, it is to impede their nuclear progress as much as possible. We know we can't actually stop them if they want to make them, but if we are able to delay their ambitions for a few years for some food and oil aid, it's worth it.

Perhaps with new leadership this will be different. I doubt it, but I hold out hope. It's certainly worth a shot though, the downside is small and the upside is huge.
 

Karl Agathon

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I gave him major props for that.

+1

Although going by NKs previous actions, I wonder how long it will last? They play nice for a little while, and then out of the blue, throw another temper tantrum and walk away from the table. Definitely a postitive step in the right direction though. im still gushing over him putting troops in northern Australia as a direct sign against Red China. Props to you President Obama!!!! :thumbsup:
 

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As much as I like Obama's overall foreign policy, I think it's too early to make any comments on this. Part of this has to do with the regime change but we can't say how much of it is due to that because the political structure and the amount of power that Kim Jung Un has is probably unknown. Plus, given what we know of North Korea's foreign policy, we definitely will have to wait and see how long and truthfully they will stick to such a conviction.

I do find it interesting that this was done in the absence of the Six Party Talks. It was my recollection that North Korea was more amenable with negotiating directly with the US but that the US at the time was insistent on going through the Six Party Talks. If so, that does show a policy change on the part of the States though I would prefer that such an agreement involved the other nations.

I think a more interesting target of the US policy recently has been the progress done in Myanmar. Bringing Burma out to the world and reforming the regime with US ties would be an interesting shift in South East Asia.
 
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