WOW - A few days after buying............

[Luthien]

Here is another interesting read on the WOW forums.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft....al&searchtext=ebay

 

[Velk]

Originally posted by: Luthien
Wrong, it is not impossible. The people that get involved with hacking these game types are very skilled programmers.
<SNIP>
Why because it is very possible including quests. I am amazed at how much effort goes into hacking these games but the money drives it. Still amazing.

The trick that is the problem with a quest is the location translation.

For example, a quest may give you text something like 'You need to hunt down Ishamule - you can lure him to you by taking the carcass of his favorite prey, a zhevra to the dead tree northwest of ratchet'.

For a macro to complete that quest, it needs to parse out the description in such a way that it can work out what a dead tree is, what the WoW implementation of a dead tree looks like, what ratchet is, where ratchet is, how to get northwest of ratchet, what a zhevra is, where it can find a zhevra, which item it needs to loot from the zhevra, that it needs to click use on said item, what will happen when it does, how to deal with random aggro from stuff on the path, what to get from ishamule if he dies, where to take it, who to give it to etc etc.

If you can find anyone who can write a macro that does that reliably from reading the quest text rather than being specifically scripted for that quest, then they can instantly get a high paying job at any software firm that does any work with AI or natural language parsing, and I can absolutely guarantee you that the ebay scam links you posted to are *not* able to do so.

 

[Luthien]

Um, I never said they could do that I said that it can be done and I believe it will be done. Why work for someone else when you can make millions off of MMORPG. No kidding. Diablo II item sales on ebay I would bet exceed a quarter billion dollars since the game came out.

Edit that: If you include sales of diablo goods from Diablo item selling websites outside ebay and bots sold off suchs websites the money that has echanged hands is more likely half a billion dollars.

 

[Luthien]

The one good thing about WOW though is that based on the reading I have done it does appear that the in game economy is very resistant to ebay sales ruining the game because the quests yeild th best items which are Player bound and cannot be resold. I guess they could sell entire characters though decked out with the best gear.

 

[deldd]

Originally posted by: Velk

Originally posted by: Luthien
Wrong, it is not impossible. The people that get involved with hacking these game types are very skilled programmers.
<SNIP>
Why because it is very possible including quests. I am amazed at how much effort goes into hacking these games but the money drives it. Still amazing.

The trick that is the problem with a quest is the location translation.

For example, a quest may give you text something like 'You need to hunt down Ishamule - you can lure him to you by taking the carcass of his favorite prey, a zhevra to the dead tree northwest of ratchet'.

For a macro to complete that quest, it needs to parse out the description in such a way that it can work out what a dead tree is, what the WoW implementation of a dead tree looks like, what ratchet is, where ratchet is, how to get northwest of ratchet, what a zhevra is, where it can find a zhevra, which item it needs to loot from the zhevra, that it needs to click use on said item, what will happen when it does, how to deal with random aggro from stuff on the path, what to get from ishamule if he dies, where to take it, who to give it to etc etc.

If you can find anyone who can write a macro that does that reliably from reading the quest text rather than being specifically scripted for that quest, then they can instantly get a high paying job at any software firm that does any work with AI or natural language parsing, and I can absolutely guarantee you that the ebay scam links you posted to are *not* able to do so.

That's what popped into my mind. The program would have to be massive to do quests in the game. For killing certain creatures, then it is a little simpler, but what a waste of time. A lot of standing around in one area to kill certain creatures would look pretty suspicious. What about when other players try to talk to the bot? There are a million factors, it just seems like a big waste to play the game. I mean for the people that actually buy the crap, more power to them. For me, I don't have extra cash to spend on items that I could get myself.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: deldd
That's what popped into my mind. The program would have to be massive to do quests in the game. For killing certain creatures, then it is a little simpler, but what a waste of time. A lot of standing around in one area to kill certain creatures would look pretty suspicious. What about when other players try to talk to the bot? There are a million factors, it just seems like a big waste to play the game. I mean for the people that actually buy the crap, more power to them. For me, I don't have extra cash to spend on items that I could get myself.

More power to them?
More like a bunch of losers, who the hell pays someone else to play their game for them?

I wonder if they pay people to screw their girlfriends/wives for them as well :roll:

 

[deldd]

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: deldd
That's what popped into my mind. The program would have to be massive to do quests in the game. For killing certain creatures, then it is a little simpler, but what a waste of time. A lot of standing around in one area to kill certain creatures would look pretty suspicious. What about when other players try to talk to the bot? There are a million factors, it just seems like a big waste to play the game. I mean for the people that actually buy the crap, more power to them. For me, I don't have extra cash to spend on items that I could get myself.

More power to them?
More like a bunch of losers, who the hell pays someone else to play their game for them?

I wonder if they pay people to screw their girlfriends/wives for them as well :roll:

My point was, what is the point. If you are going to buy a game, at least get some enjoyment out of it. I would never think anyone would pay someone to play the game for them, where's the fun in that. The whole thing just doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: deldd

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: deldd
That's what popped into my mind. The program would have to be massive to do quests in the game. For killing certain creatures, then it is a little simpler, but what a waste of time. A lot of standing around in one area to kill certain creatures would look pretty suspicious. What about when other players try to talk to the bot? There are a million factors, it just seems like a big waste to play the game. I mean for the people that actually buy the crap, more power to them. For me, I don't have extra cash to spend on items that I could get myself.

More power to them?
More like a bunch of losers, who the hell pays someone else to play their game for them?

I wonder if they pay people to screw their girlfriends/wives for them as well :roll:

My point was, what is the point. If you are going to buy a game, at least get some enjoyment out of it. I would never think anyone would pay someone to play the game for them, where's the fun in that. The whole thing just doesn't make any sense to me.

We agree then

 

[caivoma]

there always some one want to have the best everything available to brag. ' omg, i luv mi a@ kicing 'ears'.
i never played other mmorpg so i dont know about their items system and i not that far into wow yet, level 12. but it seem like most of the wow items required either a level requirement or bound to the player ( as someone mention up there). i guess it will help but people always come up with ways to beat the system( or did already ).

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Chompman
I love it.

Just my main server is one of the 4 that will be down for 3 days so they can force people to get off those servers and get on others since they were so full.

Just playing on a different server as alliance side since you can't be both sides on one server.

Not many crashes here so not sure what Cattlegod's problem is.

Though the queue is kind of annoying.

the queue? wtf, you pay a monthly fee just to wait in line to play?

as crazy as it sounds, yes.

14 bucks a month so we can wait in line 1.5 hours before we play.

oh, and if you go link dead, or the client crashes, or the server dumps you for whatever reason. 1.5 more hours.

You're queued if you chose to join a high pop server. We chose a low pop and have never, repeat never, had a queue. Virtually no lag too.

Played way too much, screamed, laughed, wept...addicted.
oh but I should mention that I do crash every 3-4hrs or so. Pretty sure it's a sound problem and have ordered a new sound card to fix it. Currently using a Fortissimo III, ordered a Santa Cruz (wife's using one and works great).

 

[CVSiN]

Why dont you people that are waiting for QUEs move to another less populated server..
we had to move away from Archimonde because of this...

we are now on GoreFiend and there is NEVER a wait or lag or mobs being camped...
its so empty its like a private server...
there are TONS of servers that are in the green every night.
yet peeps Insist on playing the most crowded ones...

dumb dumb dumb..
this is not Blizzards fault..

in short there is nothing wrong with the service.. the server you are on is overpopulated and Bliz controls it with Ques...
if you move to another server you will not have this problem anymore

 

[skace]

Luthien, do you have a bot that does quests and gets gold for you? If so, do you know how many times I plan to PK your bot?

BTW, The queues are rather trivial. The fact of the matter is that a large population of people went and keep going to the servers marked "high" simply because they want to be "in the action". The problem with this is that the more people that go to these servers, the bigger the queue gets. The remedy? SELECT A SERVER MARKED LOW. It isn't a huge issue. We moved from Archimonde to Sargeras and its been great. We are the highest horde guild on the server btw, our highest guy was level 33 as of 10pm last night and probably around 35 as I type this. If the lag and bugs were really an issue, as some would have you think, we wouldn't have people this high level at this point.

There are some bugs, but they are far fewer than every mmorpg release I've ever been a part of.

- Skace LVL22 Tauren Druid

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: CVSiN
Why dont you people that are waiting for QUEs move to another less populated server..
we had to move away from Archimonde because of this...

we are now on GoreFiend and there is NEVER a wait or lag or mobs being camped...
its so empty its like a private server...
there are TONS of servers that are in the green every night.
yet peeps Insist on playing the most crowded ones...

dumb dumb dumb..
this is not Blizzards fault..

in short there is nothing wrong with the service.. the server you are on is overpopulated and Bliz controls it with Ques...
if you move to another server you will not have this problem anymore

:thumbsup:

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: skace
Luthien, do you have a bot that does quests and gets gold for you? If so, do you know how many times I plan to PK your bot?

BTW, The queues are rather trivial. The fact of the matter is that a large population of people went and keep going to the servers marked "high" simply because they want to be "in the action". The problem with this is that the more people that go to these servers, the bigger the queue gets. The remedy? SELECT A SERVER MARKED LOW. It isn't a huge issue. We moved from Archimonde to Sargeras and its been great. We are the highest horde guild on the server btw, our highest guy was level 33 as of 10pm last night and probably around 35 as I type this. If the lag and bugs were really an issue, as some would have you think, we wouldn't have people this high level at this point.

There are some bugs, but they are far fewer than every mmorpg release I've ever been a part of.

- Skace LVL22 Tauren Druid

Same here Skace the peeps that had thurs -sunday in my guild are all 30ish again... after being 30 on archimonde and havign to restart just like yall..
i only made it back to 21... i suck...

but i spent 4 hours doing the rogue poison quest..
They made that quest SOOO hard compared to what it was in beta.. they upped levels and detection on Pickpoketing and made it harder to land the SAP on the guy in the tower...
30s spent on repaireing gear on this POS... but man posion is worth it.. it adds sooooo much DPS..

 

[Hadsus]

I started with EQ 2 and have decided to quit it. Just too much work. 90% of the mobs are tagged for groups and it often ain't easy finding groups....not to mention good groups. SOE is going to lose subscribers 'cause of this as I see I'm not the only one complaining. Forced grouping is just plain stupid. Yes, you can solo but it is too much of a PITA. It's one of those games where you can log on, play 30 minutes, and not accomplish anything. WoW, on the other hand, is much better suited to the casual player. You don't need to group (though I enjoy grouping) and the quest system keeps you moving forward to new zones. I'm a bit ambivilent about the cartoon graphics but they can really shine in the right circumstances. Even though there were some problems a couple days after launch, I haven't encountered any since. The more I play WoW the more I appreciate what Blizzard has done.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: CVSiN
the peeps that had thurs -sunday in my guild are all 30ish again... after being 30 on archimonde and havign to restart just like yall..
i only made it back to 21... i suck...

You suck for thinking you suck because you aren't leveling faster :roll:

 

[ggnl]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: skace
Luthien, do you have a bot that does quests and gets gold for you? If so, do you know how many times I plan to PK your bot?

BTW, The queues are rather trivial. The fact of the matter is that a large population of people went and keep going to the servers marked "high" simply because they want to be "in the action". The problem with this is that the more people that go to these servers, the bigger the queue gets. The remedy? SELECT A SERVER MARKED LOW. It isn't a huge issue. We moved from Archimonde to Sargeras and its been great. We are the highest horde guild on the server btw, our highest guy was level 33 as of 10pm last night and probably around 35 as I type this. If the lag and bugs were really an issue, as some would have you think, we wouldn't have people this high level at this point.

There are some bugs, but they are far fewer than every mmorpg release I've ever been a part of.

- Skace LVL22 Tauren Druid

Same here Skace the peeps that had thurs -sunday in my guild are all 30ish again... after being 30 on archimonde and havign to restart just like yall..
i only made it back to 21... i suck...

but i spent 4 hours doing the rogue poison quest..
They made that quest SOOO hard compared to what it was in beta.. they upped levels and detection on Pickpoketing and made it harder to land the SAP on the guy in the tower...
30s spent on repaireing gear on this POS... but man posion is worth it.. it adds sooooo much DPS..

What level were you when you did this quest? I wansn't even going to bother with it until I can get Instant Poison (lvl 26 or 28 I think). I figured it would be easy by then.

As for the queues, I picked a lower population server and I have never waited in line, even on weekends and evenings, when server population is at its highest.

And finally, bots. I think virtually all of the higer level content is in contested territory. A farming bot would be a great target to kill repetedly until all their gear was trash (if you're on a pvp server, like me). Also, Blizzard, in response to the fishing bots, simply turned off all the higher level fishing in the game. We can probably expect a fix when they turn it back on. This shows that Bliz isn't totally oblivious to the problems.

 

[dbzwukan]

I love the rogue class. high DPS, good with a warlock using voidwalker as the tank as you backstab away.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: CVSiN
but i spent 4 hours doing the rogue poison quest..
They made that quest SOOO hard compared to what it was in beta.. they upped levels and detection on Pickpoketing and made it harder to land the SAP on the guy in the tower...
30s spent on repaireing gear on this POS... but man posion is worth it.. it adds sooooo much DPS..

Hahaha . You should have seen the druid quest I had to do at level 16. Basically you have to swim around a huge lake staring at the bottom of it looking for a tiny box. The best part? The druid haven that the quest is in is contested territory! So this 1 level 20 druid was prowling around pking every player trying to do the quest. ARGH!! Luckily, The seaform is worth it! I can swim at least 50% faster than other players and I don't have to breath underwater at all. Now.. I just need travelform and I'll be in heaven.

 

[torpid]

I will post a more detailed review in another thread. But to the OP, the game is absolutely worth it. This is the first MMORPG where I have had virtually zero frustration, and 100% enjoyment. I have had no queues, only one real crash (the others all occurred as I was exitting the game), and only 1 hour of downtime when I wanted to play.

Yesterday I did experience some lag, but it didn't get in the way.

I highly recommend cosmos... no problems for me so far whatsoever.

Big thumbs up from me.

 

[onza]

our server MAL'GANIS was down for 3days

server is aobut 80-90% stable.. meaning lag, no QUEUES they got rid of that.

overall, its fun.

lvl 16, leatherworking - 90 / skinning - 125

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: ggnl

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: skace
Luthien, do you have a bot that does quests and gets gold for you? If so, do you know how many times I plan to PK your bot?

BTW, The queues are rather trivial. The fact of the matter is that a large population of people went and keep going to the servers marked "high" simply because they want to be "in the action". The problem with this is that the more people that go to these servers, the bigger the queue gets. The remedy? SELECT A SERVER MARKED LOW. It isn't a huge issue. We moved from Archimonde to Sargeras and its been great. We are the highest horde guild on the server btw, our highest guy was level 33 as of 10pm last night and probably around 35 as I type this. If the lag and bugs were really an issue, as some would have you think, we wouldn't have people this high level at this point.

There are some bugs, but they are far fewer than every mmorpg release I've ever been a part of.

- Skace LVL22 Tauren Druid

Same here Skace the peeps that had thurs -sunday in my guild are all 30ish again... after being 30 on archimonde and havign to restart just like yall..
i only made it back to 21... i suck...

but i spent 4 hours doing the rogue poison quest..
They made that quest SOOO hard compared to what it was in beta.. they upped levels and detection on Pickpoketing and made it harder to land the SAP on the guy in the tower...
30s spent on repaireing gear on this POS... but man posion is worth it.. it adds sooooo much DPS..

What level were you when you did this quest? I wansn't even going to bother with it until I can get Instant Poison (lvl 26 or 28 I think). I figured it would be easy by then.

As for the queues, I picked a lower population server and I have never waited in line, even on weekends and evenings, when server population is at its highest.

And finally, bots. I think virtually all of the higer level content is in contested territory. A farming bot would be a great target to kill repetedly until all their gear was trash (if you're on a pvp server, like me). Also, Blizzard, in response to the fishing bots, simply turned off all the higher level fishing in the game. We can probably expect a fix when they turn it back on. This shows that Bliz isn't totally oblivious to the problems.

Instant poison 1 is given when you complete the quest..
thats what im using now...

 

[torpid]

Reading skace's post again, it is clear to me that some people need to consider taking breaks from the game once in a while.

 

[ArmchairAthlete]

Very happy with the game itself, although server wait lines and downtime are troublesome. I guess it's what happens with an MMO this popular.

Things have smoothed out some and hopfully will continue to. New servers have been added, and the player cap has been steadily raised on existing servers.

EDIT: I would transfer to a less populated server if I could bring my character, but there's no news on that front yet. Just don't come to Mannoroth guys, we're full!


EDIT2: Met a guy today at school who's level 41. I was walking out of CS class and he said he saw me posting on the wow forums. Anyhow... wow I could tell it's been pretty much Eat, Sleep, WoW for him since launch and not in that order. The body odor was overpowering. He had two level 60's in closed beta.

 

[slag]

Originally posted by: torpid
Reading skace's post again, it is clear to me that some people need to consider taking breaks from the game once in a while.

Amen. I've been playing on and off since Wednesday morning. I was out of town Thurs and Friday and busy most of sunday, but I've been playing well, enjoying the game, and I'm a level 12.5. It just floors me how people can be a level 20something in 3-4 days of playing.