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SmoochyTX

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Originally posted by: moparacer
Yes I would mind...I do a lot of paperwork for my business on Saturdays and like being able to drop off mail at the mailbox Saturday morning and have it picked up.......

Then let's hike the price of postage way up. Let's make it * some multiple dollar arbitrary amount* to mail your documents. Call it the price of convenience.

And while we're at it, let's jack the price up for bulk mail to $1,000 per piece. That sounds fair to me.


Not joking.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: sactoking
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: sactoking
We've had 7 rate increases in 10 years, amounting to ~33% increase in the cost to mail a letter. Add in a dropped delivery day as well? That's ridiculous.

Obviously SOMETHING at the USPS is very stinky. Eliminating Saturday delivery won't fix the underlying problem(s). Until someone is put in charge with the knowledge and authority to do what needs to be done the USPS will never be viable entity again.

Yet rate increases AFAIK have still been below the inflation rate.

And when you raise letter rates by a cent or two every other year, of course it looks like a large percentage. You're just playing with numbers to make it sound ridiculous.

B.S.

Between 1919 and 1974, a span of 56 years, there were 6 (SIX) rate increases. That's one every 112 months. From 1975-1985, a 11 year span, there were 5 increases; one every 26.4 months. From 1986-1995, 10 years, there were 3 increases; one every 40 months. In the latest 10 years (1999-2008) there have been 7 increases; one every ~17 months.

From 1919-1974 the rate went from $.02 to $.10; a 400% increase. Inflation was 174%.
1975-1985 saw rates rise from $.10 to $.22; a 120% increase. Inflation was 94%.
1986-1995 rates went from $.22 to $.32; a 45% increase. Inflation was 37%.
1999-2008 rates went from $.33 to $.42; a 27% increase. Inflation was 31%.

What we have here is an institution who's costs have historically FAR exceed inflation. They've asked for more increases recently than ever before. The most recent increases have, for the most part, kept pace with inflation.

The USPS has no excuse- it is a horribly managed institution. It either needs to shape up or shut down. Stopgap measures like canceling Saturday delivery will do nothing to solve the USPS problems.

Postal rates are tied by law to the rate of inflation. Since 1971 the rate has hardly fluctuated more than a penny (adjusted for inflation): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...s_Postal_Service_rates
 

moparacer

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Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Originally posted by: moparacer
Yes I would mind...I do a lot of paperwork for my business on Saturdays and like being able to drop off mail at the mailbox Saturday morning and have it picked up.......

Then let's hike the price of postage way up. Let's make it * some multiple dollar arbitrary amount* to mail your documents. Call it the price of convenience.

And while we're at it, let's jack the price up for bulk mail to $1,000 per piece. That sounds fair to me.


Not joking.

Oh and finish off what little business I do manage to give them once or twice a month?

Not that big of a deal to me and since I do about 95 percent of my bill paying online I can figure out how to get the other 5 percent done......


 

JMapleton

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Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: daniel1113
I wouldn't mind if they stopped working, period, and allowed the private sector to take over all postal services.

Otherwise, Saturday delivery should remain.

Why? The USPS does a great job and it's far cheaper than UPS or FedEx. If the private sector took over, people in rural areas would be charged an arm and a leg to get mail.

Good. People in rural areas act like everyone owes them something and they deserve all the same quality service as everyone else at the same price although they live in the sticks and most of them for no reason (if you're a farmer, I understand). In my state we have a few counties in rural areas with less than 1,000 people living in the entire county and the state wanted to merge counties to save money and close down county buildings but people out there complained because the lost jobs in the county buildings would effect them - well move out of the middle of nowhere! It's like they expect some kind of welfare.
 
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Originally posted by: JMapleton
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: daniel1113
I wouldn't mind if they stopped working, period, and allowed the private sector to take over all postal services.

Otherwise, Saturday delivery should remain.

Why? The USPS does a great job and it's far cheaper than UPS or FedEx. If the private sector took over, people in rural areas would be charged an arm and a leg to get mail.

Good. People in rural areas act like everyone owes them something and they deserve all the same quality service as everyone else at the same price although they live in the sticks and most of them for no reason (if you're a farmer, I understand). In my state we have a few counties in rural areas with less than 1,000 people living in the entire county and the state wanted to merge counties to save money and close down county buildings but people out there complained because the lost jobs in the county buildings would effect them - well move out of the middle of nowhere! It's like they expect some kind of welfare.

This has been another opinion brought to you by JMapleton :roll:
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
i want a DO NOT CALL list for spam mail
you would think all the environuts would be pushing for this like mad.
cut down on 90% of mail volume, get back a ton of workers time, can delivery real may more efficiently.


That option has been around for years.

Long before Google was your friend. ;)

 
Dec 10, 2005
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Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
i want a DO NOT CALL list for spam mail
you would think all the environuts would be pushing for this like mad.
cut down on 90% of mail volume, get back a ton of workers time, can delivery real may more efficiently.


That option has been around for years.

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SmoochyTX

Lifer
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Originally posted by: moparacer
Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Originally posted by: moparacer
Yes I would mind...I do a lot of paperwork for my business on Saturdays and like being able to drop off mail at the mailbox Saturday morning and have it picked up.......

Then let's hike the price of postage way up. Let's make it * some multiple dollar arbitrary amount* to mail your documents. Call it the price of convenience.

And while we're at it, let's jack the price up for bulk mail to $1,000 per piece. That sounds fair to me.


Not joking.

Oh and finish off what little business I do manage to give them once or twice a month?

Not that big of a deal to me and since I do about 95 percent of my bill paying online I can figure out how to get the other 5 percent done......

You're/We're not entitled to this convenience. Back when the USPS began, it was revolutionary. Now, not so much.

If people that want to use this convenience, then perhaps they should pay a higher price. And again, charge the hell out of bulk mailers.
 

SmoochyTX

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
i want a DO NOT CALL list for spam mail
you would think all the environuts would be pushing for this like mad.
cut down on 90% of mail volume, get back a ton of workers time, can delivery real may more efficiently.


That option has been around for years.

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Registering on that site does not do anything. I've been there and done that.

Perhaps the USPS could make more money if the bulk mailers/spammers had to also pay an additional fee for mail returned to them?
 
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Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Registering on that site does not do anything. I've been there and done that.

If you don't want junk mail, your best bet is to call each company that sends it and asked to be removed from the list.

I never get any; if I did, I just chuck it, no big deal.
 

foghorn67

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
This is why Gov gets so bloated. People complain about taxs, cost, prices, etc... yet when the Gov trys to cut cost and streamline they get bitched at as well.

umm, no. I wouldn't mind postage going up to retain Saturday deliveries. Big business might for mass mailings.
 

SmoochyTX

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Registering on that site does not do anything. I've been there and done that.

If you don't want junk mail, your best bet is to call each company that sends it and asked to be removed from the list.

I never get any; if I did, I just chuck it, no big deal.

I have called the companies and requested for them to not send me anything. Guess what? They say they've removed me but keep on sending.

Don't even get me started about the local sales mailer one of my local newspapers (Houston Chronicle) sends out. Bunch of stupid ass sales papers wrapped in plastic that fill my mailbox repeatedly.

Same thing happens when I call the Chronicle. I'm not on their mailing list but yet I still continue to get their stupid shit. Perhaps you could call them and get them to stop sending that crap to me and everybody else in this many multi-million metro population area? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Sorry, no offense to you. I just hate this bulk mail shit with a passion.
 

feralkid

Lifer
Jan 28, 2002
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Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
i want a DO NOT CALL list for spam mail
you would think all the environuts would be pushing for this like mad.
cut down on 90% of mail volume, get back a ton of workers time, can delivery real may more efficiently.


That option has been around for years.

Text

fixed the link

Thank you!
 

feralkid

Lifer
Jan 28, 2002
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Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
i want a DO NOT CALL list for spam mail
you would think all the environuts would be pushing for this like mad.
cut down on 90% of mail volume, get back a ton of workers time, can delivery real may more efficiently.


That option has been around for years.

Text

fixed the link

Thank you!

P.S. it does work, but it can take up to six months, and it only applies to "members" of that junk mail society.
 

SmoochyTX

Lifer
Apr 19, 2003
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Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
i want a DO NOT CALL list for spam mail
you would think all the environuts would be pushing for this like mad.
cut down on 90% of mail volume, get back a ton of workers time, can delivery real may more efficiently.


That option has been around for years.

Text

fixed the link

Thank you!

P.S. it does work, but it can take up to six months, and it only applies to "members" of that junk mail society.

Exactly. It only applies to those willing to be a member of the junk mail society.

In other words, it doesn't do jack shit for most everybody.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
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Postal workers are paid rather well from what I hear. I wouldnt mind if they took a paycut so we could get mail six days a week. One to five percent outta do it.
 

Vette73

Lifer
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Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Postal workers are paid rather well from what I hear. I wouldnt mind if they took a paycut so we could get mail six days a week. One to five percent outta do it.

So you hate vets? You don't think our american vets work hard enough? etc...
Is what would happen if you try and cut pay being a large number of PO workers are Vets.
Also there may be places where the pay is great based on living cost but low in others. People in houston have a higher rate of pay then those in DC (for Fed employees). So they system is far from perfect.
 
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Originally posted by: phreaqe
a different article i read on this same topic was talking about them stopping tuesday delivery since it is the slowest day and keeping saturday delivery. i would not have a problem with that i think.

This.

They won't be stopping Saturday deliveries, but will be stopping Tuesday deliveries. This isn't a huge deal to me, because most business mail will be sent out Monday-Friday. That means most of it will be delivered Monday the following week. The stuff that goes out Saturday is the stuff that will be delivered Tuesday generally.
 

Wonderful Pork

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Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
i want a DO NOT CALL list for spam mail
you would think all the environuts would be pushing for this like mad.
cut down on 90% of mail volume, get back a ton of workers time, can delivery real may more efficiently.


That option has been around for years.

Text

fixed the link

Thank you!

P.S. it does work, but it can take up to six months, and it only applies to "members" of that junk mail society.

Exactly. It only applies to those willing to be a member of the junk mail society.

In other words, it doesn't do jack shit for most everybody.

I've used the Opt Out Pre Screen with success in reducing my unsolicited pre-approved credit card stuff. I still get a very minor amount of junk mail (coupons and the like) but 90%of the time my mailbox is empty save for a couple non-electronic bills.
 

stag3

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don't care really, 90% of the stuff i get is spam anyways.
what i would want them to do in place of working saturdays is put
more of the blue things on the corners so we can at least
mail stuff whenever we want.
also keep those kiosks things open 24/7. i can't remember the last
time i had to actually speak with a usps worker, i always use the kiosks
things to mail out packages and pay with the card. just make it so
you need to badge in with an atm card or something to get inside.
 

AlienCraft

Lifer
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Originally posted by: daniel1113
I wouldn't mind if they stopped working, period, and allowed the private sector to take over all postal services.

Otherwise, Saturday delivery should remain.


usps has been run by a private concern for years.

If it was run by a Completely privat5e concern, they would have stopped Saturday delivery long ago, and raised rates.

No, they should be allowed to adjust hours to suit demand.
 

AlienCraft

Lifer
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Originally posted by: boomerang
It's going the way of the dinosaur. Technology is making the Postal Service more and more obsolete with every passing year.

They can do away with Saturday delivery if they want, but they are just postponing the inevitable IMO.

Businesses across the land are laying off, cutting hours and cutting wages. This may be in the future for postal employees also.

My guess is that at this point there will be no layoffs, just Saturday hours will be eliminated. I would guess that was premium pay too.
RIIIGGHHHT. Bullshit.People will not move away from paper ever.
Computers were supposed to free us from paper remember. If anything, it only increases the need for documents.