Hells yeah. Because what good little leftist doesnt want four more years of THIS?:
You're a fool to be against 4 more years of that.
More unreadable charts without a common Y axis and dubious causal mechanisms? I guess that's true, nobody wants more of that.
What I would personally want a bit less of is crazed, ultra right wing conspiracy mongering from people with a poor understanding of economics and monetary policy. Do you think we have to get rid of Obama to end this sort of nuttiness?
No.. I'll take Trump and play Russian Roulette. It's interesting to hear the perspective of millennials and leftists though. Honestly it's calmer and more intelligent than a lot of forums I visit where it's Trump supporters.
Honestly I'd take neither, since we are dealing with hypothetical questions here. None of the republican candidates nor Hillary do anything for me. I don't mind Sanders except he's probably a bit too socialist for me.. maybe if he'd scale back his idea to make all college free.. that's quite an expensive undertaking. They'd basically have to do it for government run, cost controlled colleges only.. otherwise the colleges will just see it as a ticket to overcharge more than they already do.
I'd love to see the Republicans force trump into a third party and Sanders go to a 4th party and have 4 parties going for the presidency.. break up the republican/democrat chess game finally...
Honestly I'd take neither, since we are dealing with hypothetical questions here. None of the republican candidates nor Hillary do anything for me. I don't mind Sanders except he's probably a bit too socialist for me.. maybe if he'd scale back his idea to make all college free.. that's quite an expensive undertaking. They'd basically have to do it for government run, cost controlled colleges only.. otherwise the colleges will just see it as a ticket to overcharge more than they already do.
I'd love to see the Republicans force trump into a third party and Sanders go to a 4th party and have 4 parties going for the presidency.. break up the republican/democrat chess game finally...
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Our electoral system basically forces it to be two parties. Voting for 3rd party candidates doesn't really change that. If you want to break up the cartel then agitate for instant runoff voting.
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Hells yeah. Because what good little leftist doesnt want four more years of THIS?:
You're a fool to be against 4 more years of that.
throw out student loans, homeownership and federal debt...those trends have been in place since even before GWB
black inequality? huh?
money printing? when has that EVER trended downward?
The others are worth looking at.... but what is your source? mighty sketchy stuff if you ask me.
To answer the OP question. Yes, everyday of the week and twice on sunday!
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Indus
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I too would take Sanders but he isn't an option. He can't possibly beat Hillary at this point. I only included Cruz as he still has a chance of snatching away the nom from Trump in an open convention, which is possible.
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Who of the three other candidates (Hillary/Trump/maybe possibly Cruz) would you favor over him?
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I'd absolutely take Obama for a 3rd term. Though in order for anything to get done we'd need to get rid of the historically obstructive GOP. Honestly, the single best thing we could do for this country would be to take Cruz and McConnell out back and put them down.
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This. Absent anything else, sure, I'd take this decent, honorable man so unjustly villified by dead-ender slime junkies, with race providing that lovely extra undercurrent of despicable ugliness.
But, yes, without a Congress at least willing to meet somewhere in the middle, nothing would change. There is no magic instant fix. Change is slow, cumulative, and procedural.
That's why I'm voting for Hilary Clinton, despite her flaws. I love Bernie, but I don't believe he's electable. My eye is principally on the Supreme Court, and was even before Scalia's death.
Politics is the art of the possible. And the SC is where we need a Democratic President appointing non-Scalias. Citizens United needs to be overturned, for one. Money is not free speech, and I also don't believe Corporations are people, with all of their rights but none of their legal responsibilities.
That's where effective, possible, enduring change will . . . slowly . . . start.
We need a President who will protect and expand the Affordable Care Act. We need a President who won't start destructive, retrograde trade wars for politically feel good reasons. We need a President who, unlike every single Republican candidate, won't flood Syria with American troops. We need a President who won't advocate using the immense power of the state to tell women what they can do with their bodies, even when they've been raped. We need a President with the courage and vision and, yes, decent common sense to know that the US needs to lead the fight against climate change.
And, then, down the line, when we hopefully restrict the ungodly flow of secret money into politics at least somewhat, we can hopefully address, state by state, the gerrymandering that has helped make the priniciple of one man, one vote a lie.
Lol, as other posters have pointed out here, I, too, noticed 8 years ago how several righties here suddenly had the warm fuzzies for Hilary. And I KNEW this would change completely once she began running. It is so transparent as to be laughable.
This is going to be one ugly campaign. I know where I stand. I hope we elect, no matter her flaws, the one single electable adult in the room.
Sorry, I can't support this level of rhetoric. It is the slippery slope that has enabled Donald Trump to speak and act as he has. It is dangerous, it is ugly, and I will have none of it.
Hillery is beyond a doubt the most qualified, experienced politician in the race. I have spouted Socialist rhetoric my entire life and felt (Michigan) that I had to support Bernie and hope to influence the party platform.
No one should get so wrapped up in Primaries that they forget that it is just the battle. War is in November. Don't be a choir preaching unto itself. Get out and engage (not enrage) Let's get out the vote. Let's quell talk of no mandate. Vote those bastards OUT because they didn't govern, they only obstructed. Vote for fear or vote for hope. You know the players. It isn't about you but rather all of us. Let's get that vote out!
No one should get so wrapped up in Primaries that they forget that it is just the battle. War is in November. Don't be a choir preaching unto itself. Get out and engage (not enrage) Let's get out the vote. Let's quell talk of no mandate. Vote those bastards OUT because they didn't govern, they only obstructed. Vote for fear or vote for hope. You know the players. It isn't about you but rather all of us. Let's get that vote out!
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Yes. I do think Hillary is immensely qualified, but a bit too hawkish. Sanders has the right ideas and focus, but I don't think he would be as able to toe-the-line against a GOP controlled congress. Obama tried compromise, but all he got was flat-out obstruction as reward for his efforts. The GOP quite frankly, does not deserve to do any governing whatsoever on the national level until they figure out what they are for - not just what they are against. The current batch of candidates represent the culmination of a decades-long march towards fascism, if anything.
This is a good question. Term limits are overall a good thing, even if in this particular instance it may not be. You have to take a longer view. I think that in hindsight, the American public will be much kinder towards his legacy in office.
"You don't know what you got...till its gooooone...." :whiste:
This is a good question. Term limits are overall a good thing, even if in this particular instance it may not be. You have to take a longer view. I think that in hindsight, the American public will be much kinder towards his legacy in office.
"You don't know what you got...till its gooooone...." :whiste:
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Hillary is definitely qualified. I'm sure she knows how everything works in the background by now.
And is a bit like Golda Meir I'd say, as far as being hawkish.
Let's just say if she was put in charge of the largest military on the planet, even Putin might be worried about guarding his balls.
http://www.usnews.com/news/the-repo...e-old-boys-network-from-the-inside?int=a14709
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No, no need to support a 3rd term for Obama. Voting for Hillary. Like alot of other folks, I like Sanders, but highly doubt that he would be an effective president. Crossing my fingers that he becomes Hillary's VP choice though.
My thoughts are pretty much in line with Perknose's post above.
My thoughts are pretty much in line with Perknose's post above.
MongGrel
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It was rhetorical to begin with, he could not run for a third term if he wanted to.
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Yeah it's interesting that the US is not the Philippines where someone who is president can get convicted of plundering the country, sentenced to life in prison, pardoned by his vice-president and use that pardon as a document allowing him to run for President again although the constitution doesn't allow it.
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Yeah it's interesting that the US is not the Philippines where someone who is president can get convicted of plundering the country, sentenced to life in prison, pardoned by his vice-president and use that pardon as a document allowing him to run for President again although the constitution doesn't allow it.
Putin has been an expert at that type of thing over the years, he just changes titles now and then, to try and look legit.
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