Would going to a 2500k from X6-1100T be a sidegrade?

[Arkaign]

How is OP going to get a 2500k setup for only $75 more than grabbing a new mobo and some DDR3.

Remember, we are talking about Japan prices, and he says that selling his stuff would apparently be overtly difficult due to language gap issues.

If OP was around the corner from a MicroCenter and it was easy to sell his stuff, 2500k would be almost a no brainer, though it really wouldn't make much of an impact with his single GPU.

This is not the case, however.

 

[happy medium]

Remember, we are talking about Japan prices,

Does Japan only sell AMD products cheaper than here? WHat the difference where he lives, I'm sure the price differences are not all that much different between Intel/AMD here and there.

What I'm saying is the price DIFFERENCE between a overclockable 1155 mobo, memory should be very close to a overclockable AMD motherboard, memory even in Japan.

Once he sells the 1100t and 80 cpu cooler for about 180$, a 225$ 2500k does not cost all that much more. 45$?

So take the 45$ extra he spent on the cpu and say the 1155 mobo/memory cost him 35$ more than the AMD mobo/memory.
Thats 80$ more for a much faster, longer lasting, more upgradable system.


Why does this not make sense?

 

[ed29a]

Why does this not make sense?

OP quotes:

Yes it is a hassle selling some of this stuff here as Japanese is not my native languauge,

But even then, I realized I'm happy with my X6 1100T, overclocked to 4.1 its no slouch

lets say i can sell my x6-1100T for $120, that still leaves me with a $280 bill just to upgrade to a 2500k from an already decent X6-1100T? Doesnt make sense. I'd rather drop the $120 for a solid & stable AM3+, wait till next year, then get Ivy Bridge.

I dont live in the USA so prices are a little more expensive

Any more hints? You want OP to draw you a picture?

 

[pcsavvy]

Happy Medium, you have no idea what the prices are like in Japan, let alone what the dollar vs the yen is going for at this time.
The op is looking at language barrier, cost of living in Japan, cost of parts in Japan and the potential hassle of selling his stuff overseas.
I have lived overseas and from personal experience, buying things overseas does not equal the prices here. It could be less but most likely in today's global economy, things cost more. Please take that into consideration.
Generally speaking you can get a mid-high end AMD m/b cheaper than a comparable mid-high end 1155 m/b.
OP, good luck with your new m/b search.😎

 

[happy medium]

Happy Medium, you have no idea what the prices are like in Japan, let alone what the dollar vs the yen is going for at this time.
The op is looking at language barrier, cost of living in Japan, cost of parts in Japan and the potential hassle of selling his stuff overseas.
I have lived overseas and from personal experience, buying things overseas does not equal the prices here. It could be less but most likely in today's global economy, things cost more. Please take that into consideration.
Generally speaking you can get a mid-high end AMD m/b cheaper than a comparable mid-high end 1155 m/b.
OP, good luck with your new m/b search.😎

You are wrong my friend a 1090t cost more than a 2500k, 22,000 yen vs 19,000 yen.
Yes AMD products cost more than Intel in Japan.
Look it up, I did.

But the language barrier thing sucks, but I made my point.

So lets just say, dont goto Japan and want to upgrade your system if you dont speak the language. You will get ripped off.

You can buy a 1155 mobo, memory and 2500k cpu for about the same price as a AMD mobo, memory and 1090t IN JAPAN.

Gota love the google translate. 🙂

http://translate.google.com/transla...ttp%3A//parts.sycom.co.jp/parts/index.htm

 

[happy medium]

I dont live in the USA so prices are a little more expensive

Yea ,I agree they are a little more expensive 243$ for a 2500k BUT AMD products are even more expensive than that in Japan. 260$ for a 1090t.

It must suck being in Japan with no one to translate for you.
Now the guy has to buy AMD parts that are more expensive than better faster Intel parts.
Suck for him.

 

[ocre]

dude, i really appreciate your enthusiasm in promoting the 2500k, Intel needs u on their marketing team!😉

If i was building from scratch i'd go 2500k. Heck if i was back in Toronto i'd sell off my current rig & build a 2500k rig. But im working in Japan for the next year and selling the parts here would be a hassle and time consuming. Japanese has THREE alphabets, they use all three when writing, u can imagine how enthusiastic i am about putting it up on the local "anandtech" buy&sell forum.

anyways, you're not understanding something critical; i am very satisfied with my X6 1100T @ 4ghz. I dont NEED to upgrade to a 2500k, especially not for the performance gains i'd see. I'm upgrading because my mobo is crap and dying on me, so it makes much more sense for me to get a solid AM3+ mobo for $125, and just staying on that for the next year.

Also, i dont understand how some said the AM3+ is a dead end but the Z68 isnt? Intel's next gen 6 core cpus will not work on the Z68, right? I recall reading it's gonna be limited to taking another quad core (in 2012) with a 15-20% performance increase over sandy bridge. If i want the 6-cores i hafta get a new socket mobo.... so i dont really see that as "future-proof".

thanks again for your enthusiasm and encouragement, but really after looking at all the benchies im very satisfied with the performance of my X6 1100T @ 4ghz given the price difference.🙂 I'll save the price difference and put it toward a 7950 next year which would net me a MUCH bigger jump in FPS than the 2500k upgrade. thats smarter no?

Not that i am in tis, i dont want to sway you but i think you dont realize this:

The same motherboard for sandy will work wit ivory. The 2500k board should be completely compatible with the same mid grade ivory CPUs. Intel is already running 8 threads on this socket, these 8threads proves better than any 8core/6core route AMD went. The LGA 1155 has an upgrade cycle. Its the ivory bridge chips.

Intels 6core ES will be the same. The ES Sandy bridge motherboard will work with the high dollar ivory. This chips are the very expensive chips and not popular for the masses. But all the same, the sandy bridge motherboards will be upgradeable to ivory bridge CPUs

 

[happy medium]

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[ed29a]

poohbear
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Are you for real? Do you have reading comprehension issues? Do you need some pictures to be drawn to understand? What part of the quote below is so hard to understand? No really, I am very curious, because to me it's crystal clear.

currently living in Tokyo

EDIT:

Here is another jewel of happy_medium post:

If you were satified with your old q6600, just go buy another used one for about 100$. It seems the rest of your system is fine.

If you want to upgrade, just grab a z68 mobo, ddr3 memory, and 2500k.
Should be good for you for about 5 years. 🙂

The dude busts his CPU, same or lower performance than a 1100T, yet you don't recommend him to get an SB if he is satisfied. OP in this thread is very satisfied with his 1100T, yet you keep shoving down his throat: OMGZ GET A SB SYSTEM HURR DURR DURRR!

Hypocrisy much?

 

[toyota]

Phenom II is not a modern processor, the 6 cores have been on market over 2 years and the Phenom II X4 3 years this January. Main reason Phenom II is faster than Phenom I is higher clock speeds, IPC is almost identical, and the Phenoms K10 architecture wasn't much faster than Athlon 64/X2 with K8. AMD has yet to match the IPC of C2Q, they still haven't matched Intels original I7 from 2008. All they do is increase clock speed and core count. That 4.0Ghz Phenom II X6 is slower than a stock I5 2500 for gaming, and consumes nearly twice the power.

Don't even try to call me an Intel fan boy either. I've owned Athlon Xp, Athlon 64, Sempron 64, Athlon X2, Athlon II X2, Athlon II X4, Phenom X4, Phenom II X4 and Phenom II X6.

actually its worse than that. a stock 2500k uses about 55 watts or so by itself while a Phenom 2 X6 at 4.0 will use close to a whopping 250 watts by itself.

 

[Arkaign]

actually its worse than that. a stock 2500k uses about 55 watts or so by itself while a Phenom 2 X6 will use close to a whopping 250 watts by itself.

Eh?

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1289/19/

Total system power consumption with a loaded 1090T was 191W from the wall there.

 

[ed29a]

actually its worse than that. a stock 2500k uses about 55 watts or so by itself while a Phenom 2 X6 will use close to a whopping 250 watts by itself.

Lay. Off. The. Crack. Pipe.

 

[Arkaign]

Tom's : http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-phenom-ii-x6-1090t-890fx,2613-13.html

Legion : http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/amd_phenom_ii_x6_1090t_be_1055t,7.html

HWZ : http://www.hardwarezone.com/product-amd-phenom-ii-x6-1100t-black-edition

Bit-Tech : http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2010/04/27/amd-phenom-ii-x6-1090t-black-edition/7

etc.

 

[toyota]

Eh?

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1289/19/

Total system power consumption with a loaded 1090T was 191W from the wall there.

Lay. Off. The. Crack. Pipe.

sorry I was not clear but we were talking about the X6 at 4.0. these show full system power with just cpu under load so take off about 50 watts for mobo and you can see the 2500k is using about 50-55 watts while the X6 at 4.0 needs around 250 watts.



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[ed29a]

we were talking about the X6 at 4.0.

actually its worse than that. a stock 2500k uses about 55 watts or so by itself while a Phenom 2 X6 will use close to a whopping 250 watts by itself.

Stock OK, overclocked not fair.

EDIT: No one is saying 2500K Is not the better CPU (both performance and power draw). But OP needs to upgrade entire system. Cost/hassle/language issues might make it much more difficult than head to Microcenter and pick up a 2500K + Mobo + Ram for 200$. Not to mention, if OP picks his RAM carefully,next system upgrade it's reusable wherever it's an SB, IB, Piledriver, etc ...

 

[toyota]

actually its worse than that. a stock 2500k uses about 55 watts or so by itself while a Phenom 2 X6 will use close to a whopping 250 watts by itself.

Stock OK, overclocked not fair.

yeah my comment was a direct reply to LoneNinja who was talking about the X6 at 4.0. I bolded that in my reply to him so people would see that. obviously I should have said 4.0 in my reply though and its now edited to reflect that.

 

[pcsavvy]

Op just needs an AMD m/b with possibly DDR3 ram upgrade.

Generally speaking:
AMD2+ m/b = $
AMD3+ m/b + DDR3 = $-$$
2500k + Z68 m/b + DDR3 = $$$-$$$$
For a possible slight improvement in games and better power utilization. As a gamer is power utilization even a major factor in your choice of CPU's?:whiste:

 

[RavenSEAL]

sorry I was not clear but we were talking about the X6 at 4.0. these show full system power with just cpu under load so take off about 50 watts for mobo and you can see the 2500k is using about 50-55 watts while the X6 at 4.0 needs around 250 watts.



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And again, the X6 is a HEXACORE (That's 6, yes six). If you compare it to the other Intel hexacores, it's not really that far ahead in power consumption.

 

[toyota]

And again, the X6 is a HEXACORE (That's 6, yes six). If you compare it to the other Intel hexacores, it's not really that far ahead in power consumption.

lol, so that's your angle now? all we were saying is that a stock 2500k is faster overall at gaming than an X6 at 4.0 even though the X6 at 4.0 is using a massive amount of power.

 

[Vesku]

Sounds like it would be quite a hassle to resell your 1090T given your situation. If you can purchase an AM3 board and DDR3 1.5V RAM for a reasonable price I would go that route. If cost is not a concern I would consider moving to a 2500K system. If the leak posted in this forum is accurate than IB is going to be about as incremental of an upgrade from SB as an Intel tock would suggest, so K series SB chips look to have quite a long life ahead.

 

[GaiaHunter]

A couple of things.

1st) Toyota xbits lab graphic it is at 100% load - not many games will utilize 100% of an X6 since most games don't use 6 cores so saying an x6 4.0GHz consumes 200W more at gaming is incorrect.

2nd) Happymedium japan prices - I'm not sure how accurate those prices are - a quick visit to Amazon Japan reveleas much better prices for both processors_ http://www.amazon.co.jp/Corei5-i5-2...UXHQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322513226&sr=8-1 - 16716 Yen for the i5 2500k and http://www.amazon.co.jp/AMD-PhenomI...1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1322513361&sr=1-1 15580 Yen for a 1090T. And from my experience Amazon sell AMD processors a bit more expensive than other hardware stores, at least in europe it does.

 

[FalconHorse]

poohbear,

Faith and TwoTop both have the Asus M5A97 Pro for ¥10,780. It has a 6+2 digi vrm setup, which should be enough for an 1100t @ 4.0. Maybe you can find a better price.

http://www.twotop.co.jp/details/?j=4562146255455&pd=0
http://www.faith-go.co.jp/parts/detail/?id=156097

 

[happy medium]

AMD X6 1090T @ 4.0GHz Cooled by CM Hyper212+ P/P | Sapphire Vapor-X AMD HD 6870 CrossfireX @ 975/1120 | Gigabyte 990XA-UD3 | Corsair FORCE 3 90GB SSD | 1TB

Let me know what cards you "can" upgrade to next generation without a cpu bottleneck.

I will give you a hint 2 7770's in crossfire, anything more your cpu will bottleneck them.

I would guess 2 7770's will = 2 6870's and 2 6870's are maxing your setup. I know because they max my setup but my cards have 2gb of memory.

Point is , when the op wants to upgrade, his cpu will hold him back much much much sooner than if he spent a few bucks and got a 2500k setup.

 

[happy medium]

The dude busts his CPU, same or lower performance than a 1100T, yet you don't recommend him to get an SB if he is satisfied. OP in this thread is very satisfied with his 1100T, yet you keep shoving down his throat: OMGZ GET A SB SYSTEM HURR DURR DURRR!

Hypocrisy much?

Another baiting , trolling ,,useless post by Ed29
Is english your first language? Hurrr Durr Durr oh yea it must be.

Its much much easier to just throw in a used 80$ q6600, than buy a new motherboard and ddr3 memory and start over.
AND I gave him 2 suggestions and at the end suggested a 2500k AGAIN!

Learn how to read not just what you wanna hear.

This gets you an infraction, and for your other post, a vacation.
Markfw900
Anandtech Moderator

 

[happy medium]

Op just needs an AMD m/b with possibly DDR3 ram upgrade.

Op said he was gonna grab a new AM3 motherboard and ddr3 memory and keep his 1100t.

My arguement was to just buy a affordable 1155 board, ddr3 memory and sell the 1100t.

Take the money from the sale of the 1100t and 80$ cooler to cool it, and buy a cool running 2500k, thats faster and uses way less power @ stock.

It would have cost hime 50 bucks more mabe, when all was said and done.

So it turns out the guy is in Japan and dont speak Japenese so he will have trouble selling the stuff . ok I understand that, sucks for him.

Most of the AMD crazies , think my suggestion was stupid or not needed ect ect ect.

WHen in reality its the best way to get more for your money IF, yes IF, the guy spoke Japanese .

SO let me ask you fanboys, if the guy spoke Japanese and could sell his 1100t and cooler, would it be a good Idea?

Lets seperate the men from the boys. 🙂