Would going to a 2500k from X6-1100T be a sidegrade?

[poohbear]

wow! Thanks for all the responses guys!

I'm gonna get a decent AM3+ mobo and just ride that out until next year. I dont think the difference in FPS would justify the added cost, that would most certainly be better spent on a video card upgrade when the Radeon 7XXX series comes out. So i'll save up for that.

A X6-1100T @ 4.1ghz is more than enough i think, especially at 1920x1080 resolution. In day to day usage i wont notice a difference in performance at all between it & a 2500k. indeed, in encoding the 6 cores of the X6 1100T beats out the 2500K.

I'd like to get an AM3+ instead of AM2+ because they have SATA3 and can really make my Crucial C300 shine (currently confined to SATA2 speeds but it repeatedly surpassed SATA2). They also overclock the AM3 cpus much better & more stable. Otherwise yes, i'd just get a cheapo AM2+.)

Thanks again for all the input! Much appreciated everyone!

Poohbear: I have the Asrock 970Extreme 4 mb in rig 2 below and love it. PLUS it is Crosss fire and SLI capable. Great MB for your 1100T and Newegg has it for $99!

Yes i might just get that one! Mind you over here its only $20 cheaper than the Asus 970 EVO ($120 vs $140). Asus is better & more reliable, no?

PS how big of a difference would 8+2 VRM design make for overlcocking for m X6 1100T? The cheapest AM3+ mobo w/ 8+2 VRM design is the Asrock 4 990 FX @ $185.

 

[happy medium]

PS how big of a difference would 8+2 VRM design make for overlcocking for m X6 1100T? The cheapest AM3+ mobo w/ 8+2 VRM design is the Asrock 4 990 FX @ $185.

Yea you are right, you need 8+2 VRM's to overclock that chip safely.

I'm telling you dude, Buy a Z68 board for 114$ Ar , 8gb of memory you can reuse, and a cheap 2500k.
You could sell your memory, cpu and cpu cooler to make up the difference.

Your gonna spend a good buck on a new dead end AM3+ board and memory anyway.

 

[happy medium]

in encoding the 6 cores of the X6 1100T beats out the 2500K.

No way!!

 

[fourdegrees11]

wow! Thanks for all the responses guys!

I'm gonna get a decent AM3+ mobo and just ride that out until next year. I dont think the difference in FPS would justify the added cost, that would most certainly be better spent on a video card upgrade when the Radeon 7XXX series comes out. So i'll save up for that.

A X6-1100T @ 4.1ghz is more than enough i think, especially at 1920x1080 resolution. In day to day usage i wont notice a difference in performance at all between it & a 2500k. indeed, in encoding the 6 cores of the X6 1100T beats out the 2500K.

I'd like to get an AM3+ instead of AM2+ because they have SATA3 and can really make my Crucial C300 shine (currently confined to SATA2 speeds but it repeatedly surpassed SATA2). They also overclock the AM3 cpus much better & more stable. Otherwise yes, i'd just get a cheapo AM2+.)

Thanks again for all the input! Much appreciated everyone!



Yes i might just get that one! Mind you over here its only $20 cheaper than the Asus 970 EVO ($120 vs $140). Asus is better & more reliable, no?

PS how big of a difference would 8+2 VRM design make for overlcocking for m X6 1100T? The cheapest AM3+ mobo w/ 8+2 VRM design is the Asrock 4 990 FX @ $185.

Not sure what the price is where you are, but 8+2 $95

http://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-GA-97...ref=pd_sim_e_5

The question you should answer to end the never ending "debate" is how quickly and easily could you sell your current CPU/RAM to make up the price difference? If its not worth the hassle, debates over, MB and RAM (which you're going to need no matter what) and call it a day.

 

[amenx]

in encoding the 6 cores of the X6 1100T beats out the 2500K.

No way!!

I was surprised but its true. One of very rare instances it does better than the 2500k. But OC both chips to their limits and you will likely see the Intel chip pull ahead.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/203?vs=288

 

[happy medium]

I was surprised but its true. One of very rare instances it does better than the 2500k. But OC both chips to their limits and you will likely see the Intel chip pull ahead.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/203?vs=288

You dont buy a 2500k not to overclock it.

Crossfire and sli will be much better on a 2500k also.

http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=2071&pageID=10660

 

[poohbear]

Not sure what the price is where you are, but 8+2 $95

http://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-GA-97...ref=pd_sim_e_5

The question you should answer to end the never ending "debate" is how quickly and easily could you sell your current CPU/RAM to make up the price difference? If its not worth the hassle, debates over, MB and RAM (which you're going to need no matter what) and call it a day.

Thanks man, that's it right there. Yes it is a hassle selling some of this stuff here as Japanese is not my native languauge, but it can be done. But even then, I realized I'm happy with my X6 1100T, overclocked to 4.1 its no slouch, I just want it stable & able. so gonna get that gigabyte mobo here for $115. It doesn't have the gorgeous & simplified UEFI bios of asus & asrock, but whatever 1 more upgrade w/ old school bios won't hurt.

Thanks for the input all!

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[BD231]

You dont buy a 2500k not to overclock it.

Crossfire and sli will be much better on a 2500k also.

http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=2071&pageID=10660

Nowhere in your link does it say anything about CrossFire performance yet you say the 2500k will yield better performance in both situations completely forgetting crossfire is faster than sli and requires less CPU overhead. OP has a 5870 ... you boggle my mind.

 

[RavenSEAL]

Thanks man, that's it right there. Yes it is a hassle selling some of this stuff here as Japanese is not my native languauge, but it can be done. But even then, I realized I'm happy with my X6 1100T, overclocked to 4.1 its no slouch, I just want it stable & able. so gonna get that gigabyte mobo here for $115. It doesn't have the gorgeous & simplified UEFI bios of asus & asrock, but whatever 1 more upgrade w/ old school bios won't hurt.

Thanks for the input all!

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AMD thanks you for staying on the dark side, please enjoy your time with a complementary dose of free bacon and lower IPC performance! :wub:

 

[poohbear]

AMD thanks you for staying on the dark side, please enjoy your time with a complementary dose of free bacon and lower IPC performance! :wub:

lol its ok, they more than makeup for it with their Radeons.

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[happy medium]

Nowhere in your link does it say anything about CrossFire performance yet you say the 2500k will yield better performance in both situations completely forgetting crossfire is faster than sli and requires less CPU overhead. OP has a 5870 ... you boggle my mind.

You can be the one to explain to the op why his overclocked 1100t bottlenecks the new 7xxx seires of cards.

Unless he games @ 2500x1600, it will.

Any cpu as fast as mine should bottleneck 7970 unless the 7970 is slower than 2 6870's. And a 1100t @ 4.0 is as fast or slower than my cpu.

My q9550 @ 4.0 and 2 6870's are a good match.

 

[poohbear]

You can be the one to explain to the op why his overclocked 1100t bottlenecks the new 7xxx seires of cards.

Unless he games @ 2500x1600, it will.

Any cpu as fast as mine should bottleneck 7970 unless the 7970 is slower than 2 6870's. And a 1100t @ 4.0 is as fast or slower than my cpu.

My q9550 @ 4.0 and 2 6870's are a good match.

dude, that's totally not true. I'm not gaming on an Athlon 64. Its a 6 core 1100T @ 4ghz! that would hardly bottleneck any video card @ 1920x1080.

AMD makes the 7xxx Radeons, u really think their OWN top of the line CPU would bottle neck their OWN video cards?

 

[Wuzup101]

You can be the one to explain to the op why his overclocked 1100t bottlenecks the new 7xxx seires of cards.

Unless he games @ 2500x1600, it will.

Any cpu as fast as mine should bottleneck 7970 unless the 7970 is slower than 2 6870's. And a 1100t @ 4.0 is as fast or slower than my cpu.

My q9550 @ 4.0 and 2 6870's are a good match.

The OP has already said that he wants to jump to Ivy from his current setup. He never mentioned upgrading to a 7970 or even being concerned with having a future GPU that was bottlenecked by his current CPU. Based on what we are hearing about the release of high end 7 series AMD GPUs, there is more than a chance that IB will be out prior to him being able to even buy a 7970 (and do we know for certain that they will be faster than 6870s in xfire - which area already a pretty damn fast solution). Is this even worth worrying about as the OP?

I still do agree that the AM3+ platform is not somewhere I would want to be right now. That being said, given the prices he is seeing in JAPAN, I'm not sure it's worth it to jump to a 2500k system right now (vs buying a new board + DDR3) and then waiting for Ivy where the DDR3 can be recycled or sold with his replacement AM3+ board / processor. I certainly wouldn't fault him for either decision, but I can understand where he is coming from.

If he were in the states, and near a microcenter, things might be a bit different. Honestly, I'm not sure why you (happy) are still running a q9550 system. You realize that being in Phily (and thus relatively close to the st davis MC), you can upgrade to a 2500k system for pretty much free (okay... very little cost) after selling your current mobo/processor/memory? I just upgraded a q9550 system (my brother's) with parts that I purchased at your local MC. Take advantage of the resale value of the q9550 while you can (along with huge package discounts at MC)!

 

[poohbear]

i dont see the point in even talking about this. A 6 core X6 1100T @ 4ghz would NOT bottle neck ANY video card setup @ 1920x1080. I mean seriously this is just nonsense. Im not running a friggin athlon 64 or even a PhenomI; the PhenomII is a modern processor and a beast in its own right. If SB wasnt around its not like everything would all of a sudden be bottlenecked. Get real.

 

[happy medium]

i dont see the point in even talking about this. A 6 core X6 1100T @ 4ghz would NOT bottle neck ANY video card setup @ 1920x1080. I mean seriously this is just nonsense. Im not running a friggin athlon 64 or even a PhenomI; the PhenomII is a modern processor and a beast in its own right. If SB wasnt around its not like everything would all of a sudden be bottlenecked. Get real.

Add another 5870 to your system and compare benchmarks to a 2500k. I think you will see my point.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

If you can afford the 2500k get it. Otherwise you don't need to push the 965 to 4GHZ to get performance out of it. Beyond 3.6 it doesnt do much

 

[poohbear]

Add another 5870 to your system and compare benchmarks to a 2500k. I think you will see my point.

i dont, & never will, do Crossfire or SLI, only single card solutions hence why im getting the 970 Northbridge. I'll upgrade to a 7950 when it gets released, my X6 1100T will be more than enough.

 

[12andy]

i dont, & never will, do Crossfire or SLI, only single card solutions hence why im getting the 970 Northbridge. I'll upgrade to a 7950 when it gets released, my X6 1100T will be more than enough.

Poohbear, the multi-GPU benches between the PII X4 and first-gen i7 had the i7 at a slight advantage already. I'd imagine that that gap would be increased, if we include SB (some sources are floating around... ).

If the next-gen GPUs are surely as fast as current CF/ SLI setups, then it's safe to say that any limitation - be it small or large - will manifest itself, even if you only ran a single 7xxx.

I guess it's a matter of, will "more than enough" suffice for you, or will simply knowing that your GPU isn't able to stretch its legs to their full extent drive you nuts? :hmm:

 

[happy medium]

I'll upgrade to a 7950 when it gets released, my X6 1100T will be more than enough.

No, it will be just enough, unless AMD drops the ball. A single 7950 should be as fast as 2 5870 at least. At this point your system will be maxed, while the 2500k wll be easily pushing 2 7950's.
Thats when you will be kicking yourself for not spending the extra 100$ for the extra performance.

Ivybridge is not gonna be that much faster clock for clock than Sandybridge.
I guess you'll be waiting for Haswell with me in 2013.

 

[RavenSEAL]

No, it will be just enough, unless AMD drops the ball. A single 7950 should be as fast as 2 5870 at least. At this point your system will be maxed, while the 2500k wll be easily pushing 2 7950's.
Thats when you will be kicking yourself for not spending the extra 100$ for the extra performance.

Get over it, the guy is not going to go out an rebuild a computer to gain an unnoticeable amount of FPS during gameplay.

 

[Wuzup101]

No, it will be just enough, unless AMD drops the ball. A single 7950 should be as fast as 2 5870 at least. At this point your system will be maxed, while the 2500k wll be easily pushing 2 7950's.
Thats when you will be kicking yourself for not spending the extra 100$ for the extra performance.

Ivybridge is not gonna be that much faster clock for clock than Sandybridge.
I guess you'll be waiting for Haswell with me in 2013.

So what you are saying is that the 2500k is twice as fast as the 1100T? IE: the 1100T will just be able to push a single 7950 but a 2500k will be able to push 2 no problem? Also, when is "just enough" not "enough?"

 

[poohbear]

No, it will be just enough, unless AMD drops the ball. A single 7950 should be as fast as 2 5870 at least. At this point your system will be maxed, while the 2500k wll be easily pushing 2 7950's.
Thats when you will be kicking yourself for not spending the extra 100$ for the extra performance.

Ivybridge is not gonna be that much faster clock for clock than Sandybridge.
I guess you'll be waiting for Haswell with me in 2013.

i dont think u understand how much faster the 2500k is than the 1100T in games. It doesnt trounce it and beat it into the dust, it's just a faster CPU in resolutions where the CPU is a bigger factor. When it does beat the 1100T its already at ridiculously high FPS that it wouldnt be noticeable (ie 60fps for the 1100T vs 75fps for the 2500k). If an 1100T can't feed a dual 7950 setup, i doubt a 2500k can. Its not 2x faster than an 1100T, its about 30% faster. So your statement just doesnt add up.

I have never and will never go to SLI/Crossfire because i'd rather just buy the next gen card that can out do 2 previous gen cards.

newer games like BF3 are completely GPU bound. it...does...not....care... what cpu you use as long as its a quad core. 2500k even matches the bulldozers in performance in BF3.

 

[happy medium]

So what you are saying is that the 2500k is twice as fast as the 1100T?

Overclocked to 4.8 vs a 4.0 1100t ? Not 2x faster but at least 50% more powerfull when pushing dual gpu's or the next generation of gpu's.

Its no big deal guys, but if my board broke, would you tell me to buy another motherboard or upgrade?

 

[Arkaign]

Overclocked to 4.8 vs a 4.0 1100t ? Not 2x faster but at least 50% more powerfull when pushing dual gpu's or the next generation of gpu's.

Its no big deal guys, but if my board broke, would you tell me to buy another motherboard or upgrade?

You have a slightly different situation, you have a need for an SLI/Xfire capable mobo, and those cost quite a bit more, about $50 average by my experience. Also with SLI or Xfire setup, you might run into more situations where you aren't GPU limited at 1080p.

OP has a chip that's already about the same performance as yours or a shade more, and is definitely GPU limited in almost all games at 1080p. Even the games that run better on the 2500k like I have, don't run so badly on a PhII X6 that it really makes a difference in the big picture.

2500k is certainly better, no question about it, but not so much so that it will probably even be noticable with his uses.

Better to wait to see how IB pans out, and see if the new chipsets that come with them are significantly better than Z68/P67. I've heard things like more/faster USB3 ports, Thunderbolt, better SATA, etc.

 

[happy medium]

You have a slightly different situation, you have a need for an SLI/Xfire capable mobo, and those cost quite a bit more, about $50 average by my experience. Also with SLI or Xfire setup, you might run into more situations where you aren't GPU limited at 1080p.

OP has a chip that's already about the same performance as yours or a shade more, and is definitely GPU limited in almost all games at 1080p. Even the games that run better on the 2500k like I have, don't run so badly on a PhII X6 that it really makes a difference in the big picture.

2500k is certainly better, no question about it, but not so much so that it will probably even be noticable with his uses.

Better to wait to see how IB pans out, and see if the new chipsets that come with them are significantly better than Z68/P67. I've heard things like more/faster USB3 ports, Thunderbolt, better SATA, etc.

Ok ,
If I had a single 5870 ................same question.