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World War II veteran beaten to death by two black teens

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Great .. now some loser creates "Kenan Kinard is innocent" type of FB page:

https://www.facebook.com/KKtramplestheinnocent

(if not he himself .. then some of his buds)

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Ok I was right, this was not a racially motivated crime. I guess the race-baiting right wingers owe me an apology.

Police in Spokane, Washington, have arrested a second suspect in last week's beating death of a World World II veteran.

Kenan Adams-Kinard was arrested about 3 a.m., according to police.
He is one of two 16-year-olds who police say brutally beat 88-year-old Delbert Belton during a botched robbery outside the Eagles Lodge on Wednesday night. Race was not a motive in the attack, police said.
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/26/us/world-war-vet-beating-death/



My first post on this topic was spot on. See below. It was simple common sense. I was ridiculed and slandered for that analysis, the slurs are still there for anybody to read. When your racial bias makes it impossible for you to figure out stuff like this easily then you got some real problems.
It wasn't a hate crime, it was a simple mugging. He wasn't picked because he was white, he was picked because he was old and helpless.
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bshole said:
Ok I was right, this was not a racially motivated crime. I guess the race-baiting right wingers owe me an apology.



http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/26/us/world-war-vet-beating-death/



My first post on this topic was spot on. See below. It was simple common sense. I was ridiculed and slandered for that analysis, the slurs are still there for anybody to read. When your racial bias makes it impossible for you to figure out stuff like this easily then you got some real problems.
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There's a 70K post thread on this topic.
 
Second suspect is in police custody = http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...ating-death-of-wash-wwii-veteran-report-says/


The victim's daughter-in-law said Belton was hit with "big heavy flashlights" and doctors told her he was bleeding from all parts of his face, reports the station.
"The way he died, you expect older people to die. But not that way," the daughter-in-law, Bobbie Belton, told the station. "They shouldn't have beaten him up. That was a bad thing. You don't do those kind of things."



Several others were arrested along with the 16-year-old Monday on charges of rendering criminal assistance, reports the station.
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As I said in a previous post, if you just want to rob him, you do not need to hit him that bad in the head/face because he is old and small size (hence the nick name of Shorty).

Any time now, Obama will make a statment of thirty five years ago, he could have been one of these two punks or his grandfather could have been like the victim....any time now....
 
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As I said in a previous post, if you just want to rob him, you do not need to hit him that bad in the head/face because he is old and small size (hence the nick name of Shorty).
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LOL! And you know this from your years of robbing people? Seriously there are rules as to how bad you beat people when you rob them?
 
bshole said:
LOL! And you know this from your years of robbing people? Seriously there are rules as to how bad you beat people when you rob them?
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You are such a clueless and ignorant fool, just don't quote my post so I won't have to waste my time to reply to "Obama is one of the greatest presidents in 21st century" and then claim to be neutral observer. :whiste:

Funny how your greatest President is so quiet in this matter. What is the matter?
 
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LOL! And you know this from your years of robbing people? Seriously there are rules as to how bad you beat people when you rob them?
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People who rob others are already the type who break rules. What makes you think they'd adhere to any rules about how badly you beat someone when robbing them?
 
thraashman said:
People who rob others are already the type who break rules. What makes you think they'd adhere to any rules about how badly you beat someone when robbing them?
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Svlna was stating that they didn't have to beat the guy as bad they did (well DUH!!!!!), I was responding to that. I agree with you thraash.

At this point I have no idea what point Svlna was trying to make (if any). I suspect he is still trying to paint this as a racist attack but perhaps I'm projecting on that score.
 
Let me spell it out for the clueless and ignorant.

The issue is not about the perps should follow the rules when they rob someone (edit: or at what level of violent is acceptable in mugging). The issue is the massive amount of violent in the attack onto the victim.

Example #1 = perps punched the victim once to rob him, he fell down and died.

Example #2 = perps attacked repeatly on the face and head of the victim, blows after blows after blows after blows.........after blows......., even the doctors could not stop the bleeding to save him.

Do you see the HUGE different in level of violent, rage, and brutality in the two cases? If you can't, there is your problem. Well DUHHHH!!!!


Edit: In both cases, the victim died. In example #1, I do think the perps can be forgiven and rehab. In example #2, not a chance. That's my points.
 
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They targeted this guy cause he was weak, I really doubt race was a factor. Whether it was to rob him or just get off on beating the shit out of someone is irrelevant. They killed him, often times when in a fight, adrenaline takes over and you aren't aware of what you are doing or how hard you are hitting and how much you are hitting. When you have someone else helping you, as in this case, you really really don't have a clear idea of the injuries that are being caused by both of you combined. They probably wanted to beat the shit out of someone and then steal a little cash. Violent people are violent. They just are, there is no justifying it and it is hard to pinpoint why.
 
bshole said:
Svlna was stating that they didn't have to beat the guy as bad they did (well DUH!!!!!), I was responding to that. I agree with you thraash.

At this point I have no idea what point Svlna was trying to make (if any). I suspect he is still trying to paint this as a racist attack but perhaps I'm projecting on that score.
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This is the downside to forum posting at work, I have to be sneaky and sometimes I misread context.
 
Svnla said:
You are such a clueless and ignorant fool, just don't quote my post so I won't have to waste my time to reply to "Obama is one of the greatest presidents in 21st century" and then claim to be neutral observer. :whiste:

Funny how your greatest President is so quiet in this matter. What is the matter?
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Actually, he's dead on in this case. You're trying to establish a level of violence that is acceptable for mugging. Then you've decided that because this mugging is over your imaginary line, it must have been racially motivated.

Bshole may be a total idiot, but you're running a fairly close second.

No one knows exactly why they did what they did, except the two who did it. Everything else is just speculation, and it fuels the racial tensions that exist in this country.
 
Pulsar said:
Actually, he's dead on in this case. You're trying to establish a level of violence that is acceptable for mugging. Then you've decided that because this mugging is over your imaginary line, it must have been racially motivated.

Bshole may be a total idiot, but you're running a fairly close second.

No one knows exactly why they did what they did, except the two who did it. Everything else is just speculation, and it fuels the racial tensions that exist in this country.
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See my post #188. No where in my previous posts that I said what level was acceptable in mugging or it was racially motivated. At least I don't claim Bush to be one of the greatest President and then claim myself as a neutral observer. :biggrin:
 
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No one knows exactly why they did what they did, except the two who did it. Everything else is just speculation, and it fuels the racial tensions that exist in this country.
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This is true. The whole point is moot anyway, as there is no acceptable reason for two teenagers to beat an old man to death. We should concentrate on the heinousness of the crime, not its motivation. And in any case there's little reason to talk about this, as everyone* is against beating old men to death and there is no expectation of these animals escaping justice.

* Everyone here anyway. The death threats and broken windows of the victim's family unfortunately show that there are "people" whose sympathy is for the attackers, however mind-boggling that may be for us to understand.
 
TheSiege said:
FYI hate crime legislation was largely created because a group of BLACK kids attacked a WHITE kid. Not the other way around.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_v._Mitchell
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I'd be interested to see a breakdown of the percentages of those charged with hate crimes by race, but I can't find anything on that, only hate crime in general.

I'm willing to bet nearly 100% of the hate crime prosecution based on sexuality is heterosexual on homosexual crime. Can't say I've ever heard about "straight bashing", but racially I tend to think prosecution of whites for hate crimes would be more common than prosecution of blacks for same. I could be wrong though.
 
TheSiege said:
FYI hate crime legislation was largely created because a group of BLACK kids attacked a WHITE kid. Not the other way around.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_v._Mitchell
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Dude, that article is about a landmark SCOTUS case upholding the Constitutionality of hate crime legislation, not about creating hate crime legislation, and it's referencing a case from 1993. The federal government (specifically, Congress) created federal hate crime legislation back in the sixties specifically as a way to punish whites who victimized blacks and were often either let off completely or given a slap on the wrist by southern law enforcement, prosecutors and juries. At the time there was a lot of violence against blacks, especially in southern states; hate crime legislation was an effective way to combat it.
 
BoberFett said:
I'd be interested to see a breakdown of the percentages of those charged with hate crimes by race, but I can't find anything on that, only hate crime in general.

I'm willing to bet nearly 100% of the hate crime prosecution based on sexuality is heterosexual on homosexual crime. Can't say I've ever heard about "straight bashing", but racially I tend to think prosecution of whites for hate crimes would be more common than prosecution of blacks for same. I could be wrong though.
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http://thegrio.com/2012/12/17/fbi-hate-crimes-down-nationally-nearly-half-are-racial/

Out of those who committed hate crimes nationwide, nearly 60 percent were white while 20 percent were black.
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60% white, 20% black, 20% other races. Sounds pretty similar to general population demographics, except I think we're currently 70% white and 15% black.
 
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