World of Warcraft patch 2.01: Before the Storm

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Tremulant
Thanks, but I got it all working (couldn't sleep!). FuBar_BattlegroundFu gave me an error now, but it's not that important, so I'll leave it unloaded... I want to play!

Gonna do up a mutilate build. I :heart: gouge. Used it all the time with my last build to restealth+reopen, or just to run off if I needed to. I actually prefer Camo over MoD, but I'll take MoD to see how I fare with it. I don't have Shadowmeld though, I'm an UD rogue in all blues, save for the AV purples.

Yeah, I have a couple FuBar addons that supposedly are 2.0 compliant, but they error out. FuBar_ToFu is like that and BigWigs gives an error on start-up, but it seems to work? I may just need to check for even newer versions of these, as I finally got an AutoBar (great addon btw... pretty much adds all your pots and junk to one bar that cycles the best choices for how much health/mana is missing etc) that seems to work.

I'd say go 3/5 MoD, get the AB cloak and put a +stealth enchant on it. This'll help you until you can start applying the 61-70 talent points. The cloak is only about 6,000 points, so it's pretty cheap (I think ).

Also, MoD will probably help you more in this case, unless you liked Camo for the quicker restealthing (yet again, not an issue for me since I just Shadowmeld and wait for Stealth to come back from its cooldown), Fleet Footed will give you an 8% speed boost and make you partially (10%) immune to any slowing/immobilizing effects. A lot of people downplayed the 10%, but it's actually helpful those times when a mage tries to get'cha and you see that nothing happenned .

EDIT: Forgot to reply to skace's post:

Originally posted by: skace
So back when I used to play, years ago, I used NurfedUI, what do people use for all the UI changes now? Nurfed was a nice minimalist package.

It doesn't help that curse gaming is fvcking nearly dead as far as websites go.

Personally, I use a mish-mosh of Ace 2.0 and normal addons. I still use the standard playerframes as I just can't find one that I like more than the normal ones, but for bars I use Bartender3. It seems BT3 has an issue with right clicking on certain moves too (I can't remember which one I tried, but I got the "Bartender3 has performed an action only allowed to the Blizzard UI" error every time I did it. I believe it worked fine for my alt rogue when I right clicked on his alchemy button in the spellbook). I also use AutoBar for organizing my potions and other consumables, it's nice because you can cut down on bar space and it even has pop-up menus to select the other items in each category. It's nice for poisons too, because left clicking on the poison applies it to your MH and right clicking to your OH. It also takes care of your mount and hearth, but you can remove that if you so wish.

I use the Monkey addons for quest tracking, FuBar to create a bar at the top holding information such as the current time, where I am, how much money I have, and buttons for various addons (such as KC_Items and Atlas). I use Squeenix to control what my minimap looks like and where it is. It's currently square with no border at the bottom right of my screen.

When it comes to raiding, I use oRA2 (raid interface) + Squishy (not 2.0 compliant as far as I know; emergency monitor) + sRaidFrames (party frames) + BigWigs (boss alerting) + XRSA (Raid Status). They're all CTRA compliant and work very well. Squishy is also much more advanced that the CTRA Emergency Monitor, unless it's been changed.

I also use Mendeleev, which adds items to tooltips to describe things such as where does the item drop, stack size, vendor cost, vender pay, etc. Another nice addon that I used to use which isn't 2.0 compliant that I know of is FizzyWidget's Autocraft. It's handy when you've got a lot of crafting to do as it queues items up and makes queued items "available for use" in the menu so you can queue up items that rely on materials that're already in your queue.

 

[NeoV]

a few comments

The druid updates in the patch notes are wrong - there are actually only 2 updates to Druid's, the rest are still just in the beta

As for decursive/detox changes - use GRID for your raid frames, or the new macro scripting mouse-over function, and it's not so bad. We one-shotted Noth last night, and that's as decursing-intensive as anything in the game, no problems.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
Personally, I use a mish-mosh of Ace 2.0 and normal addons.

Did you grab all your mods from curse gaming? Because since 2.0.1 came out I can barely seem to connect to the site.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: Aikouka
Personally, I use a mish-mosh of Ace 2.0 and normal addons.

Did you grab all your mods from curse gaming? Because since 2.0.1 came out I can barely seem to connect to the site.

Some of them, yes. I went to Curse-Gaming before it went down Tuesday evening and found a couple of the standard non-Ace addons and even some Ace addons that were in their 2.0-compliant listing.

For Ace addons, I went to http://www.wowace.com , which ended up being badly hammered too, but they made a link available to the download listing, which seems to be working just fine right now. To get Bartender3, I had to search google, as per advice from someone on my realm.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Anubis
this is teh spec 11/40/0
except imp BS is actually imp slice and dice

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=w0gcoZG0Ez0VzxbGox

and yes im well aware of the coment about getting to rank 14 takes no skill, im not one of those tho

Hmm, but earlier you said the 18/33 or 20/31 combat swords build did better DPS. Why are you 11/40 also ?

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Anubis
this is teh spec 11/40/0
except imp BS is actually imp slice and dice

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=w0gcoZG0Ez0VzxbGox

and yes im well aware of the coment about getting to rank 14 takes no skill, im not one of those tho

Hmm, but earlier you said the 18/33 or 20/31 combat swords build did better DPS. Why are you 11/40 also ?

He gave up Lethality for Combat Potency, which really is only a good idea if you have a fast off-hand (such as Iblis or the Grand Marshal's Swiftblade) as you more than likely won't make up for the loss in dps from Lethality without more chances to get energy back.

 

[Tremulant]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
Yeah, I have a couple FuBar addons that supposedly are 2.0 compliant, but they error out. FuBar_ToFu is like that and BigWigs gives an error on start-up, but it seems to work? I may just need to check for even newer versions of these, as I finally got an AutoBar (great addon btw... pretty much adds all your pots and junk to one bar that cycles the best choices for how much health/mana is missing etc) that seems to work.

I'd say go 3/5 MoD, get the AB cloak and put a +stealth enchant on it. This'll help you until you can start applying the 61-70 talent points. The cloak is only about 6,000 points, so it's pretty cheap (I think ).

Also, MoD will probably help you more in this case, unless you liked Camo for the quicker restealthing (yet again, not an issue for me since I just Shadowmeld and wait for Stealth to come back from its cooldown), Fleet Footed will give you an 8% speed boost and make you partially (10%) immune to any slowing/immobilizing effects. A lot of people downplayed the 10%, but it's actually helpful those times when a mage tries to get'cha and you see that nothing happenned .

I went 3/5 MoD, and I haven't had any major problems yet. Rogues tend to get the jump on me, but it's not a big enough problem to warrant any concern yet. I liked Camo for the movement speed and the quicker restealths. With this build though, I don't need to restealth as often.

I like mutilate though, even with my crappy gear (lobo mainhand, glacial or scarlet kris offhand, 3433 HP unbuffed, 612AP), I'm doing fairly well. I'm gonna work on getting the HWL dagger first, and then the armor.

AutoBar sounds cool, I'm gonna try it out. I also need to re-download Squeenix and figure out how to get my party frames to go horizontal instead of vertical. I want them to be at the top of my screen, rather than at the side.

I've been getting all of my ace addons from http://www.wowace.com/files but for Bartender, FuBar and some others I had to download more than one version. If the file is like, 22k, but previous ones are much larger (like 100k+), you need to download the older one along with the newer one. Unzip the older one first, then the newer on top of it. (For some reason, the libs aren't getting included in some of the newer releases, so you need to grab them from an older release)

EDIT: I'm using ModMenuTuFu and I haven't had a problem with it. I used to use CTRA, but then I stopped raiding (didn't have time or the drive to do it).

 

[rh71]

About getting MoD... do you have something a lot better to put on your cloak ? Get a +stealth enchant on Cloak of the Honor Guard and don't waste those 5 points.

 

[Tremulant]

I have the AV cloak... and now that I think about it, I either have an Agility enchant on it, or nothing at all.

 

[skace]

Man, ace website is loading like crap too. I remember when I used to be able to browse through curse gaming like I was looking through google. These websites can't handle the sheer number of wow users.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: rh71
About getting MoD... do you have something a lot better to put on your cloak ? Get a +stealth enchant on Cloak of the Honor Guard and don't waste those 5 points.

The stealth enchant is only worth 1 level (+5 stealth) and won't be enough if you plan on fighting efficiently in PVP. As a Night Elf, 3/5 MoD + Shadowmeld is = + 14 stealth, where 5/5 MoD = +15 Stealth. Typically stealth has always seemed to be the most efficient being 3+ levels above the person you're trying to stealth around. Overall, once I start getting more points, I'll fill up MoD and have my cape enchanted, which will give me +25 to stealth, or effectively make me stealth like a level 65 (or 67 if you count the fact that I need 2 levels to actually fill it up) player instead of a level 60 (62).

 

[Sunner]

I'm so happy I have a priest and warlock alt, because warriors are more pathetic than ever.
Gonna do the easymode Felguard build for a while, then experiment a bit with the other new stuff.
Shame I have junk gear on my lock though, nevertheless, he still owns most anything out there, unlike my rather well geared warrior who doesn't own jack ****** aside from other warrs and clueless people

 

[chowmein]

my hunter absolutely dominates all the squishy casters now. silencing shot + scatter AND combat traps = death. also my arcane shot crits are as high as my aim shots.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: chowmein
my hunter absolutely dominates all the squishy casters now. silencing shot + scatter AND combat traps = death. also my arcane shot crits are as high as my aim shots.

What I find interesting is.
Previously, the unholy trinity of pvp consisted of Huntards, Warlocks, and Shadow Priests.
The truly ****** classes were warriors and droods.
And now, warriors and droods got nerfed(though as far as I've heard, in the case of droods this is more a question of bugs and stuff), while the Unholy Trinity got buffed.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: chowmein
my hunter absolutely dominates all the squishy casters now. silencing shot + scatter AND combat traps = death. also my arcane shot crits are as high as my aim shots.

What I find interesting is.
Previously, the unholy trinity of pvp consisted of Huntards, Warlocks, and Shadow Priests.
The truly ****** classes were warriors and droods.
And now, warriors and droods got nerfed(though as far as I've heard, in the case of droods this is more a question of bugs and stuff), while the Unholy Trinity got buffed.

It's not the first time. It's almost as though the developers deliberately taunt their playerbase, buffing the classes considered overpowered, nerfing the classes considered free HKs. I'll admit though they did a good job with paladins. They can actually do damage now :Q

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: chowmein
my hunter absolutely dominates all the squishy casters now. silencing shot + scatter AND combat traps = death. also my arcane shot crits are as high as my aim shots.

What I find interesting is.
Previously, the unholy trinity of pvp consisted of Huntards, Warlocks, and Shadow Priests.
The truly ****** classes were warriors and droods.
And now, warriors and droods got nerfed(though as far as I've heard, in the case of droods this is more a question of bugs and stuff), while the Unholy Trinity got buffed.

It's not the first time. It's almost as though the developers deliberately taunt their playerbase, buffing the classes considered overpowered, nerfing the classes considered free HKs. I'll admit though they did a good job with paladins. They can actually do damage now :Q

Well, lamadins weren't really underpowered before, just very tiresome, since they took ages to kill or be killed.
They still had the survivability to back it up, not counting fights vs The Unholy Trinity

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Anubis
this is teh spec 11/40/0
except imp BS is actually imp slice and dice

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=w0gcoZG0Ez0VzxbGox

and yes im well aware of the coment about getting to rank 14 takes no skill, im not one of those tho

Hmm, but earlier you said the 18/33 or 20/31 combat swords build did better DPS. Why are you 11/40 also ?

to tes tit to see if i was indeed correct

looks lime mutilate builods 46/0/5 are gonna top raoid DPS for a bit

 

[Aikouka]

As long as the mobs can be poisoned .

 

[wheresmybacon]

I've got a rogue built 41-0-10 mutilate. I'm really liking this build. The only thing I miss is preparation. Ultimately that may be the route I go once we're all 70 and doing the competitive arenas, but it's going to be mutilate for at least the next month while I grind honor with my guildies to get some new weapons and a couple pieces of armor.

As a dagger rogue, Paladins are by far my least favorite 1v1 opponent. Without preparation the only way I'll beat them is if I use a tea or get a string of lucky crits after my CS, Mutilate, KS opener. If they get out of my stunlock the fight is pretty much lost. With their stuns and improved DPS I'm usually a goner.

I have a mage I specced all fire, but I'm curious to see how a water elemental performs. It looks fun. =)

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Anubis
this is teh spec 11/40/0
except imp BS is actually imp slice and dice

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=w0gcoZG0Ez0VzxbGox

and yes im well aware of the coment about getting to rank 14 takes no skill, im not one of those tho

Hmm, but earlier you said the 18/33 or 20/31 combat swords build did better DPS. Why are you 11/40 also ?

to tes tit to see if i was indeed correct

looks lime mutilate builods 46/0/5 are gonna top raoid DPS for a bit

... but if you're a sword rogue ? Mutilate = daggers.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: rh71
About getting MoD... do you have something a lot better to put on your cloak ? Get a +stealth enchant on Cloak of the Honor Guard and don't waste those 5 points.

The stealth enchant is only worth 1 level (+5 stealth) and won't be enough if you plan on fighting efficiently in PVP. As a Night Elf, 3/5 MoD + Shadowmeld is = + 14 stealth, where 5/5 MoD = +15 Stealth. Typically stealth has always seemed to be the most efficient being 3+ levels above the person you're trying to stealth around. Overall, once I start getting more points, I'll fill up MoD and have my cape enchanted, which will give me +25 to stealth, or effectively make me stealth like a level 65 (or 67 if you count the fact that I need 2 levels to actually fill it up) player instead of a level 60 (62).

My mistake, I read that the 1 level of the +stealth enchant to cloak was the same as 5/5 MoD. If I knew 5/5 MoD is that much higher, I wouldn't have wasted the cloak enchant.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Anubis
this is teh spec 11/40/0
except imp BS is actually imp slice and dice

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=w0gcoZG0Ez0VzxbGox

and yes im well aware of the coment about getting to rank 14 takes no skill, im not one of those tho

Hmm, but earlier you said the 18/33 or 20/31 combat swords build did better DPS. Why are you 11/40 also ?

to tes tit to see if i was indeed correct

looks lime mutilate builods 46/0/5 are gonna top raoid DPS for a bit

... but if you're a sword rogue ? Mutilate = daggers.

its either gonna be the 11/40 or they normal combat build, havent done enough raiding to know yet becuase everything is so broken

patchwerk 1 shotting tanks in 8/9 T3 fully potted really kills a raid


i was looking forward to seeing the DPS on that fight with this build

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: hungfarover

I've got a rogue built 41-0-10 mutilate. I'm really liking this build. The only thing I miss is preparation. Ultimately that may be the route I go once we're all 70 and doing the competitive arenas, but it's going to be mutilate for at least the next month while I grind honor with my guildies to get some new weapons and a couple pieces of armor.

As a dagger rogue, Paladins are by far my least favorite 1v1 opponent. Without preparation the only way I'll beat them is if I use a tea or get a string of lucky crits after my CS, Mutilate, KS opener. If they get out of my stunlock the fight is pretty much lost. With their stuns and improved DPS I'm usually a goner.

I have a mage I specced all fire, but I'm curious to see how a water elemental performs. It looks fun. =)

When rogues hit 70, you'll probably see a decent PVP build migration toward builds like 40/0/21 or something similar to that. Personally I like Find Weakness, but other players might lower their Assassination spending even more to gain some of the permanent boosting talents in Subtlety.

Originally posted by: rh71
If I knew 5/5 MoD is that much higher, I wouldn't have wasted the cloak enchant.

Well, cloaks significantly lack great enchants, so something like +Stealth can be helpful. Right now, my rogue's cloak has +3 and other characters that I have use +5 Resist (my priest for example). So I'll lose 3 AP, .1 crit, .2 dodge and 6 armor for the +5 stealth .

 

[Anubis]

i think im the only rogue that dolesnt care for MOD, i never speced for it, i seem to do fine

 

[RockGuitarDude]

<3 5K fireball crits w/ molten fury