World Chess Federation bows to iran

[realibrad]

If only there were some way to relate that to this situation. It certainly can't be easy since even the real genius here has failed for days despite explicit instructions.

So your argument is that forcing women to cover their heads is the same type of thing as racial desegregation. Fucking wow. If only women realized that giving up their freedom is necessary to fight the evil west, then they would sit down and shut up and do what is needed. Your disdain is very sad. They are simply tools to fight the evil West.

Anti-discrimation laws are pedantically "racist" in the same way by restricting what people can and can't based on race, as laws/rules generally do. However racism or sexism is a broader concept rooted in rather more complex systemic efforts, even if you only know the word "systematic". Understanding these or any other concepts isn't for simpletons, so arguments containing them aren't really the same thing as dummy arguments even if they both use english words. You can usually tell the dummies ones these days when they use trivial patriotic words like rights and freedom, and consider complicated things simple.

Racism does not require anything systemic. A parent telling their child that race X is better/worse than another is all that is required.

lol, trivial words like rights and freedoms. Fuck women and minorities and their rights and freedoms. hahahah. Congrats, you are an idiot. You may not feel that rights and freedoms are important to women and minorities, but I do and I hope many others do as well.

 

[agent00f]

So your argument is that forcing women to cover their heads is the same type of thing as racial desegregation. Fucking wow. If only women realized that giving up their freedom is necessary to fight the evil west, then they would sit down and shut up and do what is needed. Your disdain is very sad. They are simply tools to fight the evil West.

This is why women & minorities love you guys, because only american conservatives truly understand their problems, and everything else too.

Racism does not require anything systemic. A parent telling their child that race X is better/worse than another is all that is required.

lol, trivial words like rights and freedoms. Fuck women and minorities and their rights and freedoms. hahahah. Congrats, you are an idiot. You may not feel that rights and freedoms are important to women and minorities, but I do and I hope many others do as well.

It's also quite amazing they can do all that without the benefit of basic reading comprehension or anything else central to a leftist education.

 

[realibrad]

This is why women & minorities love you guys, because only american conservatives truly understand their problems, and everything else too.



It's also quite amazing they can do all that without the benefit of basic reading comprehension or anything else central to a leftist education.

This is where I figured it would end. Just insults and no argument.

To those out there who think that people on the right are the ones on the wrong side, realize that those on the left can be too. We have 2 people here defending sexist laws simply because the west is bad. As I said before, the right is falling apart, but if you on the left dont step, your side too will fall.

 

[agent00f]

This is where I figured it would end. Just insults and no argument.

To those out there who think that people on the right are the ones on the wrong side, realize that those on the left can be too. We have 2 people here defending sexist laws simply because the west is bad. As I said before, the right is falling apart, but if you on the left dont step, your side too will fall.

No argument is ever going to convince a moron that sexism or anything else is more complicated than would fit inside their head. Their teachers have certainly failed for 12+ years, reflecting an experienced defense against understanding much and thinking in general. Rather explains why the right is falling apart.

 

[realibrad]

No argument is ever going to convince a moron that sexism or anything else is more complicated than would fit inside their head. Their teachers have certainly failed for 12+ years, reflecting an experienced defense against understanding much and thinking in general. Rather explains why the right is falling apart.

Zing.

Im assuming this thread will die now. Here is hoping for a Trump loss that sparks the left to improve themselves.

 

[agent00f]

These threads of whatever american conservatives are victimized by today are never destined to get anywhere in the first place.

 

[Thump553]

Per a google search Israeli citizens are barred from visiting Iran. And even if they weren't any Israeli visiting Iran would be putting their freedom, maybe even their life, at risk. I'm not a big follower of professional chess but I imagine Israel and Russia are the two powerhouses. Holding the tournament in Iran seems to be a really boneheaded idea unless the organizing federation is trying to curry favor with Russia.

To me the above issue is many times more significant than requiring women contestants to wear head coverings.

 

[Sunburn74]

I have never been one to believe that every country has a right to these sorts of events (olympics, world cup, etc). I don't understand why these federations go out of their way to put events in places that have huge red flags, be it destabilizing poverty, governmental instability, or significant risks for cultural clashes with the participants. The last thing the world chess federation really needs is for chess players to be held and prosecuted for breaking the law either advertently or inadvertently; or for say, general hostage taking for international bargaining which is not an uncommon practice by the iranian government ( which may drum up some bogus charges and have a host country give concessions in order to get its citizens back). By the way, don't forget this is the country that is known to use torture to acquire confessions in its judicial proceedings.

Why take the risk as opposed to just hosting the whole thing in germany or sweden or something?

 

[bshole]

I have never been one to believe that every country has a right to these sorts of events (olympics, world cup, etc). I don't understand why these federations go out of their way to put events in places that have huge red flags, be it destabilizing poverty, governmental instability, or significant risks for cultural clashes with the participants. The last thing the world chess federation really needs is for chess players to be held and prosecuted for breaking the law either advertently or inadvertently; or for say, general hostage taking for international bargaining which is not an uncommon practice by the iranian government ( which may drum up some bogus charges and have a host country give concessions in order to get its citizens back). By the way, don't forget this is the country that is known to use torture to acquire confessions in its judicial proceedings.

Why take the risk as opposed to just hosting the whole thing in germany or sweden or something?

I guess the statement that is being made is that Muslim theocracies are not a bad thing. According to our own State department this particular Muslim theocracy is the number 1 state sponsor of terrorism. So they lead the world in one category at least.

 

[MongGrel]

Amazing. So its not sexist because of two reasons. First, its that women wanted this. Second, its because it brings a benefit to them.

If women wanted to do this freely, then goddamn right they should be able to wear the scarf. If you honestly believe that women want to do this, then explain why they are whipped and or thrown in jail for not wearing the hijab. If women want to wear it, then its their right as humans to do so. Your argument falls apart because they are not given a choice. This is forced upon them because they are women. That by the very definition of the word fits here. Amazing that your argument is that the right to choose is taken away because others want it and therefore its not sexism. Disgusting position.

Next argument. Some people disagree with you and they should have the right not to wear a hijab. Even assuming your premise that women not wearing it are sexually objectified, it should be the woman's right to choose. Your argument is very literally that women should not have the right to express themselves because others cannot control themselves. In your mind, because a large section of the culture feels its inappropriate then all women must not have the choice. Equality is about letting all people choose for themselves. Your argument is literally that women not having this choice based solely on the fact that they are women but its okay because the benefit is that they will be less sexually objectified. I say less, because they will still be objectified in a culture where women are forced to marry. The fact that sexism still exists all around the world is irrelevant to the fact that this situation is also sexist.

But you will no doubt deflect. Monggrel, I hope you see the situation for what it is. People are literally defending the actions of Iran as okay and not sexist. The right is falling apart for good reason. The left will not be too far behind with this shit double think.

Go back to arguing with Agentoof in circles, I'm starting to think the two of you are the same person myself.

 

[realibrad]

Go back to arguing with Agentoof in circles, I'm starting to think the two of you are the same person myself.

Lol. Tin foil hat stuff aside, do you give any validity to his argument?

 

[agent00f]

I have never been one to believe that every country has a right to these sorts of events (olympics, world cup, etc). I don't understand why these federations go out of their way to put events in places that have huge red flags, be it destabilizing poverty, governmental instability, or significant risks for cultural clashes with the participants. The last thing the world chess federation really needs is for chess players to be held and prosecuted for breaking the law either advertently or inadvertently; or for say, general hostage taking for international bargaining which is not an uncommon practice by the iranian government ( which may drum up some bogus charges and have a host country give concessions in order to get its citizens back). By the way, don't forget this is the country that is known to use torture to acquire confessions in its judicial proceedings.

Why take the risk as opposed to just hosting the whole thing in germany or sweden or something?

If you ask the iranian women taking part, they seem to claim/believe that it advances the cause of women in their country. These threads are basically the same people responsibly for holding women back in their own country trying to shit on their counterparts abroad, the irony of this is often lost on them as are most everything else.