World Chess Federation bows to iran

[realibrad]

TIL from the brain trust that rules work even if nobody has to follow them. Liberals are so dumb they can't figure out that there'd be no need for gubmint oppressing people if separate but equal were just made voluntary.

Amazing double down. There has to be punishment for women because of they don't follow the rules they will be hurt, be it by a man or the state. Nevermind what some sluts want, you have to protect all the dumb women. They must be dumb because if this did protect them from sexual objectification and sexual objectification is bad then they would wear a hijab to protect themselves making punishment unnecessary.

You are disgusting.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I see a lot of conservatives in this thread pretending to be libs

If you are referring to me, again I don't consider myself to be a conservative. And if you think I'm pretending or anything but sincere, fvck you. What I see is several "libs" arguing just to argue, saying ridiculous things just to be against the other side. The "other side" thinks something, therefore they must be against it no matter what is being discussed.

 

[realibrad]

Most women I know rule their homes, even the ones in the subservient religious roles
I'm not ok with having a dress code as law for everybody, I'm not ok with a shit ton of Iranian laws

I see a lot of conservatives in this thread pretending to be libs

So what are you doing. It sure seems you are defending the compulsion to wear a hijab. Are you just calling out people whom you think don't actually care about women's rights. If so then you have done the opposite in this thread.

Do you think FORCING women to wear a hijab is sexist?

 

[agent00f]

What??

Edit: nm, I don't even care. The conversation has turned ludicrous and you people are either insane, immature, or just trolls. In either case I'm done participating. Good night.

It makes sense this is the same reaction as to school books that crowd don't understand. Like the books about history they dismiss for easier to parrot revisionism.

 

[agent00f]

So what are you doing. It sure seems you are defending the compulsion to wear a hijab. Are you just calling out people whom you think don't actually care about women's rights. If so then you have done the opposite in this thread.

Do you think FORCING women to wear a hijab is sexist?

Those forcing integration are the real racists.

 

[realibrad]

It makes sense this is the same reaction as to school books that crowd don't understand. Like the books about history they dismiss for easier to parrot revisionism.

But by your logic, what if revising history protected people?

 

[realibrad]

Those forcing integration are the real racists.

Integration to equality is racist? So if women are forced to follow sexist laws, then arguments against it are racist because we in the West just want women to be integrated into... equality.

 

[Orignal Earl]

If you are referring to me, again I don't consider myself to be a conservative. And if you think I'm pretending or anything but sincere, fvck you. What I see is several "libs" arguing just to argue, saying ridiculous things just to be against the other side. The "other side" thinks something, therefore they must be against it no matter what is being discussed.

I'll take that back, I was mostly just thinking of Texas
I know brad is a pretty feminine guy, not your typical conservative but sorta
I'm trying to discuss, it's interesting to me.

 

[agent00f]

But by your logic, what if revising history protected people?

"Why don't these dummies realize we're revising history for their own good"

Integration to equality is racist? So if women are forced to follow sexist laws, then arguments against it are racist because we in the West just want women to be integrated into... equality.

"If white people can't have their own clubs the ethnics can't either"

Real genius at work

 

[agent00f]

I'll take that back, I was mostly just thinking of Texas
I know brad is a pretty feminine guy, not your typical conservative but sorta
I'm trying to discuss, it's interesting to me.

A lot of traditional conservatives these days call themselves independent/libertarian because the GOP is too goddamn embarrassing. Eg those southpark guys.

 

[realibrad]

"Why don't these dummies realize we're revising history for their own good"

Yes, your logic would seem to agree with that stance. You realize I am not in agreement with the quoted above right?

"If white people can't have their own clubs the ethnics can't either"

Real genius at work

People should be free to make clubs all the want so long as said club does not infringe on others rights. The reason why your comment is not accurate is because others are imposing their will on everyone in the belief that it's the moral thing to do. For some reason you only find that bad when the west does that. I find it bad when anyone does that. I suppose that is one of the main differences between you and I. Where as you are willing to accept things like sexism I am not. Just because these women are brown does not mean they should have to deal with sexism. Sad you don't care about everyone because of the color of their skin.

 

[realibrad]

I'll take that back, I was mostly just thinking of Texas
I know brad is a pretty feminine guy, not your typical conservative but sorta
I'm trying to discuss, it's interesting to me.

I would imagine calling me a feminine guy was a test to see if I would be bothered. The people whom I respect the most in life are women. Those women helped shape my character. Growing up I was called gay for the majority of my life. It's probably a big reason my best friend is gay.

Speaking of, I just got back from Minneapolis where I was visiting him. I will always love that man for the years he has been a friend to me. Just an amazing person.

But, you did not answer my question. Do you think the law Iran has is sexist? Or do you agree with agent that women need to be forced to comply to protect themselves?

 

[Orignal Earl]

I would imagine calling me a feminine guy was a test to see if I would be bothered. The people whom I respect the most in life are women. Those women helped shape my character. Growing up I was called gay for the majority of my life. It's probably a big reason my best friend is gay.

Speaking of, I just got back from Minneapolis where I was visiting him. I will always love that man for the years he has been a friend to me. Just an amazing person.

But, you did not answer my question. Do you think the law Iran has is sexist? Or do you agree with agent that women need to be forced to comply to protect themselves?

I've often thought you were really a woman, I dunno, it comes off in your typing

Like I said before, from a western perspective it seems sexist
I can't see wearing a little bit of cloth on the head as a guard against men, I find it attractive for instance

 

[agent00f]

Yes, your logic would seem to agree with that stance. You realize I am not in agreement with the quoted above right?

People should be free to make clubs all the want so long as said club does not infringe on others rights. The reason why your comment is not accurate is because others are imposing their will on everyone in the belief that it's the moral thing to do. For some reason you only find that bad when the west does that. I find it bad when anyone does that. I suppose that is one of the main differences between you and I. Where as you are willing to accept things like sexism I am not. Just because these women are brown does not mean they should have to deal with sexism. Sad you don't care about everyone because of the color of their skin.

It's a mystery why you're taking classes at the community college instead of teaching them.

 

[realibrad]

I've often thought you were really a woman, I dunno, it comes off in your typing

Like I said before, from a western perspective it seems sexist
I can't see wearing a little bit of cloth on the head as a guard against men, I find it attractive for instance

I do not find it unattractive either. Again, if its done as fashion then I am all for it. If a woman wants to wear a burka willingly then I also support that as well. If she feels that she will be safer wearing it, then I support that, but then think we should talk about why she is afraid. If a woman is forced to cover her head that is where it becomes sexist. Even believing it does bring overall benefit does not detract from the fact that it becomes sexist when its an obligation for women.

The fact that the garment has multiple factors does not change that the obligation to wear it is inherently sexist. From any perspective this should be seen as sexist.

I will also point out that again you did not answer the question. Your response is not an answer. Do you believe this law is sexist? I did not ask if others would see it as sexist, I am asking you if you believe it to be.

Last, I also find it a little offensive that you are still saying you believe I am a woman as a way to insult. I am sure your argument is that you have not denoted it as an insult so if I feel that it is, then its really me being offensive, but that is wrong. If you would like, we can go into that too, but I think even you realize that the point is to try to offend me. What I find offensive about it is that first you are making a judgement on my values of women in that I would only be offended if I saw them as lesser. Second is that you are trying to offend by accusing someone of being a women. If you truly respect women, you would choose a different way to insult or bait me.

 

[realibrad]

It's a mystery why you're taking classes at the community college instead of teaching them.

Its amazing you are not a Republican where you could argue that women and brown people need to have their rights taken away to protect them. Tell me, do you have sleepless nights worrying that women are driving and working instead of being subservient to a man? I would bet you are deeply concerned about those harlequins and their hair are leading us right to hell.

 

[agent00f]

I do not find it unattractive either. Again, if its done as fashion then I am all for it. If a woman wants to wear a burka willingly then I also support that as well. If she feels that she will be safer wearing it, then I support that, but then think we should talk about why she is afraid. If a woman is forced to cover her head that is where it becomes sexist. Even believing it does bring overall benefit does not detract from the fact that it becomes sexist when its an obligation for women.

The fact that the garment has multiple factors does not change that the obligation to wear it is inherently sexist. From any perspective this should be seen as sexist.

I will also point out that again you did not answer the question. Your response is not an answer. Do you believe this law is sexist? I did not ask if others would see it as sexist, I am asking you if you believe it to be.

Last, I also find it a little offensive that you are still saying you believe I am a woman as a way to insult. I am sure your argument is that you have not denoted it as an insult so if I feel that it is, then its really me being offensive, but that is wrong. If you would like, we can go into that too, but I think even you realize that the point is to try to offend me. What I find offensive about it is that first you are making a judgement on my values of women in that I would only be offended if I saw them as lesser. Second is that you are trying to offend by accusing someone of being a women. If you truly respect women, you would choose a different way to insult or bait me.

Negating sexism is the real sexism. Part of the "against X is the real X" collection, brought to you by the gubmint-laws-take-yer-rights coalition.

Its amazing you are not a Republican where you could argue that women and brown people need to have their rights taken away to protect them. Tell me, do you have sleepless nights worrying that women are driving and working instead of being subservient to a man? I would bet you are deeply concerned about those harlequins and their hair are leading us right to hell.

It's a shame they don't let the great minds of our time take over the leftist schools to proclaim sexism and racism to be over.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I do not find it unattractive either. Again, if its done as fashion then I am all for it. If a woman wants to wear a burka willingly then I also support that as well. If she feels that she will be safer wearing it, then I support that, but then think we should talk about why she is afraid. If a woman is forced to cover her head that is where it becomes sexist. Even believing it does bring overall benefit does not detract from the fact that it becomes sexist when its an obligation for women.

The fact that the garment has multiple factors does not change that the obligation to wear it is inherently sexist. From any perspective this should be seen as sexist.

Last, I also find it a little offensive that you are still saying you believe I am a woman as a way to insult. I am sure your argument is that you have not denoted it as an insult so if I feel that it is, then its really me being offensive, but that is wrong. If you would like, we can go into that too, but I think even you realize that the point is to try to offend me. What I find offensive about it is that first you are making a judgement on my values of women in that I would only be offended if I saw them as lesser. Second is that you are trying to offend by accusing someone of being a women. If you truly respect women, you would choose a different way to insult or bait me.

Man brad...you read a lot into a couple lines of my text
You're pulling data out of the air here, you know better then that
I don't care if you're effeminate or gay, if you wanted to wear a dress and pigtails, I'd support your right to do so

I will also point out that again you did not answer the question. Your response is not an answer. Do you believe this law is sexist? I did not ask if others would see it as sexist, I am asking you if you believe it to be.

To me, this law in particular is a bit of a head scratcher since it's the women of Iran themselves that chose it and that it applies to both sexes
I guess that since gender is involved in this law it could be called sexist

 

[realibrad]

Negating sexism is the real sexism. Part of the "against X is the real X" collection, brought to you by the gubmint-laws-take-yer-rights coalition.



It's a shame they don't let the great minds of our time take over the leftist schools to proclaim sexism and racism to be over.

I wonder what others perception of you is now that this is all you have left. So far you have said that terrorism is just a label the west puts on poor people defending themselves. Taking away women's right to decide what they want to wear is really just a way of protecting women from their own choices. Giving women the ability to decide what they want to wear is just people trying to force women to conform to freedom of choice that the west thinks is good.

 

[agent00f]

I wonder what others perception of you is now that this is all you have left. So far you have said that terrorism is just a label the west puts on poor people defending themselves. Taking away women's right to decide what they want to wear is really just a way of protecting women from their own choices. Giving women the ability to decide what they want to wear is just people trying to force women to conform to freedom of choice that the west thinks is good.

Like that time the real racists forced integration, taking away the rights of americans to associate exclusively with whoever they want.

Who knew folks that study race & gender relations academically only needed realibrad's simple thought process to know what's really sexist or such. They are so dumb compared to the real brain trust; all his professors agree.

 

[realibrad]

Man brad...you read a lot into a couple lines of my text
You're pulling data out of the air here, you know better then that
I don't care if you're effeminate or gay, if you wanted to wear a dress and pigtails, I'd support your right to do so




To me, this law in particular is a bit of a head scratcher since it's the women of Iran themselves that chose it and that it applies to both sexes
It seems very important to you that these women be labeled as sexist
I guess that since gender is involved in this law it could be called sexist

I do not understand how you can not call this out as sexist and yet believe you are for equality. Again, of 99.9% of women think women should wear a hijab, then those women can wear it. Why should the majority be able to force the minority to conform to their moral views? It should not matter that women wanted this because its being forced upon those that do not want to wear it.

If women want to wear it, fine. Why should others be forced to conform to those rules if they do want to be modest? I wish you saw your hypocrisy when calling out sexist people like TH but not anyone else.

 

[realibrad]

Like that time the real racists forced integration, taking away the rights of americans to associate exclusively with whoever they want.

Who knew folks that study race & gender relations academically only needed realibrad's simple thought process to know what's really sexist or such. They are so dumb compared to the real brain trust; all his professors agree.

The state forcing integration was caused by that same state forcing segregation. The only solution to bring about equality in that context would be the state trying to fix something it caused. So in that case it would not be racist to force public integration and was the right thing to do. But hey, dont let my actual beliefs stop you kiddo.

 

[agent00f]

The state forcing integration was caused by that same state forcing segregation. The only solution to bring about equality in that context would be the state trying to fix something it caused. So in that case it would not be racist to force public integration and was the right thing to do. But hey, dont let my actual beliefs stop you kiddo.

Just like folks who want to hang out with black people don't need to force their moral code on everyone else. Civil right activists were the real racists.

The white nationalists were rather upset about more than just the segregation laws, they can tell you all about it using this shared rhetoric.

 

[realibrad]

Just like folks who want to hang out with black people don't need to force their moral code on everyone else. Civil right activists were the real racists.

No. There is a very big and important difference from being forced to hang out, and not segregating people. In their private lives, racists were fully allowed to segregate themselves and stay home. They they were not allowed to do was to keep out other races from the places they wanted to be that was not their home. Desegregation did not force people to have people over to their house they did not want. The public places and private businesses were the things desegregated. The public land is owned by the state and as such is fully within their right to desegregate those lands. Businesses that served the public was not owned by the sate, but desegregation was needed because the sate failed its people and caused deeper racial inequality in its society. As such, there was not a real alternative.

So, I know that you want me to somehow fit into a situation where you think I believe civil rights and equality is racist, except that is not my position. Ironically that is yours because you are for the side that is forcing women to be treated unequal. That is what makes you pathetic.

The white nationalists were rather upset about more than just the segregation laws, they can tell you all about it using this shared rhetoric.

The rhetoric is yours not mine. I am for the freedom of women to chose what they wear, and you are not. It really is that simple. You are a sexist if you think women should be subjected to limitations on their clothing choices.

 

[agent00f]

No. There is a very big and important difference from being forced to hang out, and not segregating people. In their private lives, racists were fully allowed to segregate themselves and stay home. They they were not allowed to do was to keep out other races from the places they wanted to be that was not their home. Desegregation did not force people to have people over to their house they did not want. The public places and private businesses were the things desegregated. The public land is owned by the state and as such is fully within their right to desegregate those lands. Businesses that served the public was not owned by the sate, but desegregation was needed because the sate failed its people and caused deeper racial inequality in its society. As such, there was not a real alternative.

If only there were some way to relate that to this situation. It certainly can't be easy since even the real genius here has failed for days despite explicit instructions.

So, I know that you want me to somehow fit into a situation where you think I believe civil rights and equality is racist, except that is not my position. Ironically that is yours because you are for the side that is forcing women to be treated unequal. That is what makes you pathetic.

The rhetoric is yours not mine. I am for the freedom of women to chose what they wear, and you are not. It really is that simple. You are a sexist if you think women should be subjected to limitations on their clothing choices.

Anti-discrimation laws are pedantically "racist" in the same way by restricting what people can and can't based on race, as laws/rules generally do. However racism or sexism is a broader concept rooted in rather more complex systemic efforts, even if you only know the word "systematic". Understanding these or any other concepts isn't for simpletons, so arguments containing them aren't really the same thing as dummy arguments even if they both use english words. You can usually tell the dummies ones these days when they use trivial patriotic words like rights and freedom, and consider complicated things simple.