Won't getting rid of the so call statue made the problem worse?

[Corn]

Really? Mass-produced items of race-war propaganda kitsch produced within our parents lifetimes are the equivalent of nearly 2000 year-old religious relics? Clearly you aim to corner the market on piss-poor arguments.

Really! I was discussing equivalent tactics used not the target's worthiness of destruction. Seems like I even took shots in opposite directions. That said, I am amused by reading the reaction of the lefty legionnaires and my advice to you and your peers, Trigger, is to giddyup and rage on. There's Chris Columbus and George Washington statues in Detroit that need to come down. Chop chop.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Really! I was discussing equivalent tactics used not the target's worthiness of destruction. Seems like I even took shots in opposite directions. That said, I am amused by reading the reaction of the lefty legionnaires and my advice to you and your peers, Trigger, is to giddyup and rage on. There's Chris Columbus and George Washington statues in Detroit that need to come down. Chop chop.

The columbus statue should come down, you're right on that one. the guy was an inept captain who was really good at genocide.

 

[JSt0rm]

Really! I was discussing equivalent tactics used not the target's worthiness of destruction. Seems like I even took shots in opposite directions. That said, I am amused by reading the reaction of the lefty legionnaires and my advice to you and your peers, Trigger, is to giddyup and rage on. There's Chris Columbus and George Washington statues in Detroit that need to come down. Chop chop.

you are the most sensitive motherfucker around here.

 

[Corn]

U are a tough guy, for sure.

you are the most sensitive motherfucker around here.

 

[JSt0rm]

U are a tough guy, for sure.

naw. I just dont get triggered by things like conservatives.

 

[Corn]

naw. I just dont get triggered by things like conservatives.

you are the most sensitive motherfucker around here.

Sure seems like you do, sport.

 

[Moonbeam]

If blowing up statues was good enough for the Taliban, it is certainly good enough for the lefties. Can't let the alt-right corner the market on mimicking ISIS.

I was being sarcastic. I am a liberal. I don't get off on group identity. A statue to me isn't a statue, it is a symbol of what it represents and so, naturally, not having the moral quality/defect of worshiping symbols, I am forced into the laborour process of critical thinking. I have to determine if what is represented is good,indifferent, our evil.

Thus for me a symbol used to affirm the glory of slave states mat not scale with one of which ISIS may have issues. I can't, then, support the validity of the comparison you made though it was clever. I hope my reasoning makes sense.

 

[Ackmed]

Its a tricky situation. Because then where does it end, slippery slope. There are plenty of "offensive" statues up. Different things offend different people. Several Dem presidents can be described as racists, having owned them and done things against black people. Where is the call for taking them down? Bill Clinton is a rapist, statue still up. Probably offensive to his victims.

Personally I don't have a problem with relocating them. Museum, or off public property, etc. Somewhere that they aren't an every day sight for passerby's on a local street. I do believe that they were put up to send a message to black people, the wrong message. Still, destroying them, or all the rest that are unrelated to this that are being vandalized, is silly. Destroying history, is silly. We need to remember, so that we never go down that terrible path again.

 

[JSt0rm]

Sure seems like you do, sport.

Im here for the lulz. You are here for the outrage.

 

[JSt0rm]

Its a tricky situation. Because then where does it end, slippery slope. There are plenty of "offensive" statues up. Different things offend different people. Several Dem presidents can be described as racists, having owned them and done things against black people. Where is the call for taking them down? Bill Clinton is a rapist, statue still up. Probably offensive to his victims.

Personally I don't have a problem with relocating them. Museum, or off public property, etc. Somewhere that they aren't an every day sight for passerby's on a local street. I do believe that they were put up to send a message to black people, the wrong message. Still, destroying them, or all the rest that are unrelated to this that are being vandalized, is silly. Destroying history, is silly. We need to remember, so that we never go down that terrible path again.

We will end it at all the jim crow era statues.

 

[FIVR]

I've always thought it somewhat pretentious and presumptuous that we should erect these statues. Who is to say that it will even be Americans that will have to live around them? In 50 years California could be returned back into mexico and every statue in the state related to the US occupation would have to be torn down.


Statues on public property are presumptuous in general. They should really all be torn down

 

[JSt0rm]

I've always thought it somewhat pretentious and presumptuous that we should erect these statues. Who is to say that it will even be Americans that will have to live around them? In 50 years California could be returned back into mexico and every statue in the state related to the US occupation would have to be torn down.


Statues on public property are presumptuous in general. They should really all be torn down

Or they go up and down at the public whim. Have statues of racists put up to remind black people of their place should all be torn down. And anyone who doesnt agree is a sensitive triggererd snowflake cuck.

 

[FIVR]

Or they go up and down at the public whim. Have statues of racists put up to remind black people of their place should all be torn down. And anyone who doesnt agree is a sensitive triggererd snowflake cuck.

Apparently they took away the ability for these towns to remove the statues on their own volition through local votes. So they are either torn down, or they stay forever.

Seems like they should be torn down. I just point out that building statues on public land is sort of presumptuous and IMO you could make a decent argument for removing many of them. So... these arguments saying "if you remove Lee, what's next? Washington" can be easily answered with "yes, washington is next".

 

[Moonbeam]

Really? Mass-produced items of race-war propaganda kitsch produced within our parents lifetimes are the equivalent of nearly 2000 year-old religious relics? Clearly you aim to corner the market on piss-poor arguments.

Corn was responding to a post I made about destroying the statues. I was just making a point about that if there is no importance in removing symbols then there is also on importance in keeping them. Corn's post addressed my mention of statue destruction, not the real world fact they are being moved. For you the statues are kitsch. for others culturally important, a debate one can have, but Corn was focused only on my proposal they've destroyed, a point I made for other reasons then that would be my intent, and thus a point on which he made his attack. I hope this is clear. I'm a bit tired,hehe.

 

[pmv]

Really! I was discussing equivalent tactics used not the target's worthiness of destruction. Seems like I even took shots in opposite directions. That said, I am amused by reading the reaction of the lefty legionnaires and my advice to you and your peers, Trigger, is to giddyup and rage on. There's Chris Columbus and George Washington statues in Detroit that need to come down. Chop chop.

Good suggestions. Columbus, at least, seems like a prime candidate. Washington? Well from my point-of-view he was certainly a traitor (he was a British military officer who took an oath to the King, and then broke it, after all) but I kind of think that ship has sailed, really. Sadly, it's a bit late to arrest the lot of you now.

But it seems you now stage a weasel's retreat to saying you were merely 'discussing equivalent tactics' - what does that even mean? I saw no 'discussion' in your post. Did you forget to include it?

But hey, I guess the protestors also wore clothes, just as the Taliban did! So the damning similarities mount up.

But wait...you are posting on a web-forum. Some Islamists have posted on web forums! Equivalent tactics! Are you sitting in a chair while doing it? Why I think Hitler sat in a chair at the Wannasee conference, so some chilling "equivalent tactics" from you!

Hint - you need to pick similarities that are in some way related to the morality and meaning of the actions, not just random things that they also share with any number of other people (e.g. crowds of Iraqis). Otherwise your posts have no point.

Considering the conservative right has much more in common with Muslim extremists, basically the other side of the same coin...

Two cheeks of the same arse?

 

[cytg111]

Well, when the idiots are marching to a statue at least you know where they are - and their numbers. It is like those criminal bikers driving loud harleys and big wests with tribal information printed on the back - its just stupid - and that is how I like my criminals. Stupid.

 

[fskimospy]

Its a tricky situation. Because then where does it end, slippery slope. There are plenty of "offensive" statues up. Different things offend different people. Several Dem presidents can be described as racists, having owned them and done things against black people. Where is the call for taking them down? Bill Clinton is a rapist, statue still up. Probably offensive to his victims.

Personally I don't have a problem with relocating them. Museum, or off public property, etc. Somewhere that they aren't an every day sight for passerby's on a local street. I do believe that they were put up to send a message to black people, the wrong message. Still, destroying them, or all the rest that are unrelated to this that are being vandalized, is silly. Destroying history, is silly. We need to remember, so that we never go down that terrible path again.

I have an idea, why not let local communities decide what they want to commemorate and what they don't? The current situation is that we are asking (in many cases) majority black communities to use their tax dollars to maintain monuments to their own oppression. That's pretty shitty.

 

[agent00f]

Really! I was discussing equivalent tactics used not the target's worthiness of destruction. Seems like I even took shots in opposite directions. That said, I am amused by reading the reaction of the lefty legionnaires and my advice to you and your peers, Trigger, is to giddyup and rage on. There's Chris Columbus and George Washington statues in Detroit that need to come down. Chop chop.

Oh man those leftist all uppity about confederate sons celebrating jim crow. What next, shitting on slavery?

I have an idea, why not let local communities decide what they want to commemorate and what they don't? The current situation is that we are asking (in many cases) majority black communities to use their tax dollars to maintain monuments to their own oppression. That's pretty shitty.

The funniest part of this thread is that ackmed's wife is black and he comes in here to defend jim crow monuments. Party before family.

 

[zzyzxroad]

Its a tricky situation. Because then where does it end, slippery slope. There are plenty of "offensive" statues up. Different things offend different people. Several Dem presidents can be described as racists, having owned them and done things against black people. Where is the call for taking them down? Bill Clinton is a rapist, statue still up. Probably offensive to his victims.

Personally I don't have a problem with relocating them. Museum, or off public property, etc. Somewhere that they aren't an every day sight for passerby's on a local street. I do believe that they were put up to send a message to black people, the wrong message. Still, destroying them, or all the rest that are unrelated to this that are being vandalized, is silly. Destroying history, is silly. We need to remember, so that we never go down that terrible path again.

How about we only remove status of traitors? Seems easy enough to me.

 

[pmv]

Nah, you'll drag others into war like in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq and most of the time us Brits go before you even thou you elected the retards that started the voluntary wars of aggression.

In WWII it was a bit different though as the US supplied the Nazis until it was frowned upon and still sat by with their thumbs up their arses until they were attacked by the Japanese and had Germany declare war upon them... Late to the game and short in the fight but taking all the credit, standard US stuff. Bombing Japan for no reason what so ever and pretending it saved lives, standard US stuff.

And no matter what you say, you elected Trump... you lose.

We elected a woman who held hands with him and who remains extraordinarily-reluctant to properly distance herself from him.

I can get irate with the US when it merits it (the key point in relation to the US always being that Spiderman movie line 'with great power comes great responsibility' - no need to read the entire opus of Chomsky, just listen to your comic book superheros!), but I really don't like self-praising 'we aren't as racist/fat/servile/whatever as you' stuff.

Whichever side of the Atlantic it comes from, that kind of thing always comes across as being more about avoiding facing one's own problems than about wanting to see change in the other.

 

[agent00f]

We elected a woman who held hands with him and who remains extraordinarily-reluctant to properly distance herself from him.

I can get irate with the US when it merits it (the key point in relation to the US always being that Spiderman movie line 'with great power comes great responsibility' - no need to read the entire opus of Chomsky, just listen to your comic book superheros!), but I really don't like self-praising 'we aren't as racist/fat/servile/whatever as you' stuff.

Whichever side of the Atlantic it comes from, that kind of thing always comes across as being more about avoiding facing one's own problems than about wanting to see change in the other.

Seriously, britain literally just called it quits with their economic future because too many dirty brown immigrants.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Seriously, britain literally just called it quits with their economic future because too many dirty brown immigrants.

And Poles.

 

[agent00f]

And Poles.

Well, the Poles were too slavic for you know who. But more srsly, if it were only the poles brexit wouldn't have won.

 

[brycejones]

Its a tricky situation. Because then where does it end, slippery slope. There are plenty of "offensive" statues up. Different things offend different people. Several Dem presidents can be described as racists, having owned them and done things against black people. Where is the call for taking them down? Bill Clinton is a rapist, statue still up. Probably offensive to his victims.

Personally I don't have a problem with relocating them. Museum, or off public property, etc. Somewhere that they aren't an every day sight for passerby's on a local street. I do believe that they were put up to send a message to black people, the wrong message. Still, destroying them, or all the rest that are unrelated to this that are being vandalized, is silly. Destroying history, is silly. We need to remember, so that we never go down that terrible path again.

How about we only remove status of traitors? Seems easy enough to me.

But they were only sticking up for their property rights against the over reaching federal government how does that make them traitors?

/s

 

[Victorian Gray]

Well, the Poles were too slavic for you know who. But more srsly, if it were only the poles brexit wouldn't have won.

Yeah, you might be surprised. I suspect that there is almost as much prejudice against other Europeans (especial central/eastern Europeans) as any other ethnic group.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ash-after-brexit-vote/?utm_term=.b3d329e97957

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/27/europe/racist-attacks-post-brexit/index.html

and back to 2014

https://www.theguardian.com/society...-in-attacks-blame-recession-politicians-media