woman who refused c-section charged with murder *NOW WITH PIC*

[iliopsoas]

from a medical standpoint, this pregnancy appears to be at full-term based on the description in the article. The only difference I can tell is that this baby is still inside the womb.

for those of you who compare this to an abortion, this is not an abortion. in the medical profession, we do not perform abortion this late into the pregnancy for the reason mentioned above. Also don't compare this to a miscarriage because those are spontaneous abortions, often occurring in the first trimester (the first 12 weeks, when elective abortions are also performed).

In my opinion, I can understand charges being filed against this woman if she did indeed act in a callous manner without any regards for her pregnancy.

 

[Chiropteran]

I can't believe how many of you crazies actually think this is right.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran
I can't believe how many of you crazies actually think this is right.

i know! i cant believe people think this is ok...this woman should totally skip murder charges and go straight to an island full of dinosaurs to be left to fend for her life.

 

[Hammer]

wholly crap, this woman refused surgery for vanity reasons? :Q

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Hammer
wholly crap, this woman refused surgery for vanity reasons? :Q

Yeah, I'm sure you'd be really pretty after passing two children, finding out one of them died and THEN being arrested.

Have you ever SEEN a woman give birth? I've never seen one look like a supermodel during, or directly after the process.

 

[Czesia]

but abortion is totally legal and actually promoted? I don't get it.

What the fvck? Baby's die of natural stuff all the time....stillborn to boot........thats fvcked up

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A nurse told police that Rowland said a Caesarean would "ruin her life" and she would rather "lose one of the babies than be cut like that."
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It's hard to have sympathy for her with statements like that.

I agree with all of this. Also, in reply to jzero:

What's the difference between this and an abortion? This and a miscarriage?

There really is no difference between this and abortion as far the choice is concerned, except for the reasons for that choice. As far as a miscarriage goes, mothers do not choose to miscarry. This mother chose to take the chance of having her babies die.

What I don't get is how someone could carry around a baby inside them for 9 months then be willing to give it up for cosmetic reasons. What's up with that?!

 

[zimu]

so typical to have a photo like that of her. i don't understand how people always look like deadly criminals in mugshots, even though she potentially may have been some loving mother (she is a sick bitch, but potentially!)

 

[StageLeft]

If that is really her picture I am in shock.

 

[Ornery]

I really don't think the people who brought this to the attention of authorities give a damn what happens from now on. Because of the doctor-patient confidentiality laws, this could not have been brought to light otherwise. I think they just wanted this woman publicly shamed... and succeeded!

 

[dquan97]

Do NOT CLICK ON THE PIC!

there should be some sort of a disclaimer on that!!!! :disgust:

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Hammer
wholly crap, this woman refused surgery for vanity reasons? :Q

Yeah, I'm sure you'd be really pretty after passing two children, finding out one of them died and THEN being arrested.

Have you ever SEEN a woman give birth? I've never seen one look like a supermodel during, or directly after the process.

yeah, i have a seen a woman give birth. she in no way looked like THAT!

and from the ariticle, it doesn't sound like she much cared one died, so i don't see what that has to do with anything.

 

[Redviffer]

Originally posted by: Anubis
thats a bit odd, especially how she said it would ruin her life being cut like that, sad that not being cut runied 1 of her kids lifes

Sounds like it's life would be ruined even if it were to have lived, with a mother like that.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Ornery
I really don't think the people who brought this to the attention of authorities give a damn what happens from now on. Because of the doctor-patient confidentiality laws, this could not have been brought to light otherwise. I think they just wanted this woman publicly shamed... and succeeded!

I think you're right, Ornery.
After the earlier humorous (and very wrong) comment in this thread that her decision not to have the C-section might have been an LDS-influenced religious one, I spoke with a friend of mine who, like me, grew up in a Mormon family but is no longer in the church.

Our concensus is that the Church tried to force her to get the C-section and that she refused, probably over concern of both having an open surgery and of being able to have children again in the future. Note that it was a doctor at the church-owned LDS Hospital that wanted her to have the C-section, and a nurse from that hospital that has thus far supplied the damning testimony. This would be normal for the LDS church, which has absolutely no concern for women's rights. As is normal for C-sections, the woman was probably legitimately concerned about her ability to reproduce again, and not for vanity reasons.

Normally when the subject of the Mormon church comes up, I speak favorably of it. But there is a reason why I haven't set foot inside one on a Sunday in more than 10 years. The hold that they have over their members, particularly the women, and the way they abuse that hold, is no sign of a righteous church. Just the little dirty Mormon secret that I'm sure most people aren't aware of. If she is a member of the church, I'm sure even her bishop was in on this, trying to force her to have it. That's just the way they work.

As for her pic, yeah she ain't pretty. But people can't help the way they are born. A person can't help being born ugly any more than they can help being born a particular skin color, and I look at racism and hatred of ugly people as the same thing. Way to show your true colors, people.

 

[SunnyD]

Cosmetic motivations aside - I think running over her with a backhoe about 1300 times would be a serious cosmetic improvement.

 

[preCRT]

The charges won't stick, she isn't mentally competent


The charges are another sad event in a life marked with mental problems...Rowland, herself a twin, was born to a mentally retarded mother. She was placed in foster care almost immediately and adopted before her first birthday. Her twin brother had serious medical problems and died when he was 7...
Rowland was committed to a Pennsylvania mental hospital when she was 12, weighing almost 200 pounds, and diagnosed with "oppositional defiant disorder," Sikora said. The American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry defines the condition as an ongoing pattern of uncooperative, defiant and hostile behavior toward authority figures that seriously interferes with day-to-day functioning.
His client was hospitalized in a mental facility at least one other time and told him she was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, Sikora said. The defense attorney is waiting for records to confirm that.
Rowland's statements to doctors and nurses, says Vicki Cottrell, the executive director of the Utah chapter of the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill, seem to confirm a mental illness.
"All I can say is there's no question this is not rational thinking," Cottrell said. "There are so many things going on in a [mentally ill] person's mind, it really is not clearly black-and-white disobedience."

article from Salt Lake Tribune

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: preCRT
The charges won't stick, she isn't mentally competent


The charges are another sad event in a life marked with mental problems...Rowland, herself a twin, was born to a mentally retarded mother. She was placed in foster care almost immediately and adopted before her first birthday. Her twin brother had serious medical problems and died when he was 7...
Rowland was committed to a Pennsylvania mental hospital when she was 12, weighing almost 200 pounds, and diagnosed with "oppositional defiant disorder," Sikora said. The American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry defines the condition as an ongoing pattern of uncooperative, defiant and hostile behavior toward authority figures that seriously interferes with day-to-day functioning.
His client was hospitalized in a mental facility at least one other time and told him she was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, Sikora said. The defense attorney is waiting for records to confirm that.
Rowland's statements to doctors and nurses, says Vicki Cottrell, the executive director of the Utah chapter of the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill, seem to confirm a mental illness.
"All I can say is there's no question this is not rational thinking," Cottrell said. "There are so many things going on in a [mentally ill] person's mind, it really is not clearly black-and-white disobedience."

article from Salt Lake Tribune

Finally the full story at last. Thanks. Interesting. Seems like she's not LDS so I doubt there was any church influence now. Being mentally ill, she's clearly unfit to be a mother, but short of sterilization (something I wouldn't oppose in this case), there's nothing that could or can be done to stop her.

The prosecutor, however, needs to put down the crack pipe on the murder charges.

 

[thomsbrain]

geez. appearance-wise, that woman has better things to worry about than a scar on her tummy. yet another reason stupid people shouldn't be allowed to breed.

 

[Ornery]

"Note that it was a doctor at the church-owned LDS Hospital that wanted her to have the C-section, and a nurse from that hospital that has thus far supplied the damning testimony."

Hmmm, maybe I was wrong. In a church like that, the news would have spread before she even returned from the hospital. No reason to drag the law into it, just to shame her. They probably did it because of their true belief that she killed the baby.

Believe it or not, I was a member of the RLDS during my young, impressionable years. My dad's still a Seventy. I really can't see their members being as vindictive as this, but some have their issues...

Edit: In light of this... nevermind!

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: preCRT
The charges won't stick, she isn't mentally competent


The charges are another sad event in a life marked with mental problems...Rowland, herself a twin, was born to a mentally retarded mother. She was placed in foster care almost immediately and adopted before her first birthday. Her twin brother had serious medical problems and died when he was 7...
Rowland was committed to a Pennsylvania mental hospital when she was 12, weighing almost 200 pounds, and diagnosed with "oppositional defiant disorder," Sikora said. The American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry defines the condition as an ongoing pattern of uncooperative, defiant and hostile behavior toward authority figures that seriously interferes with day-to-day functioning.
His client was hospitalized in a mental facility at least one other time and told him she was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, Sikora said. The defense attorney is waiting for records to confirm that.
Rowland's statements to doctors and nurses, says Vicki Cottrell, the executive director of the Utah chapter of the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill, seem to confirm a mental illness.
"All I can say is there's no question this is not rational thinking," Cottrell said. "There are so many things going on in a [mentally ill] person's mind, it really is not clearly black-and-white disobedience."

article from Salt Lake Tribune

ah ok. it all makes sense now.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: dquan97
Do NOT CLICK ON THE PIC!

there should be some sort of a disclaimer on that!!!! :disgust:

Daaayuum that broad is BUTT Fugly!!


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[KK]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
Cosmetic motivations aside - I think running over her with a backhoe about 1300 times would be a serious cosmetic improvement.

No sh1t, could you imagine banging this creature. Would you do it doggie style or missionary? Tough question.

KK

 

[nCred]

Looks like a cave woman.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Knowing what we now know about her mental state, I find this prosecution all the more outrageous. Are we in Afghanistan, or the United States?

This woman had every right to elect not to have a dangerous operation, regardless of her motivation, and given that she appears to suffer from serious mental problems, I find it just stunning that the folks in the DA's office would file a murder charge here. I worked as a prosecutor for years, and have sent people to prison for decades (and in one case, for life), so I know from whence I speak, and I consider this appalling.

As I said before, it's hard to feel too much sympathy given the statements she allegedly made to the nurse, but it is apparent she is not right in the head, and her motivation for electing not to have an operation is really her own business.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: SunnyD
Cosmetic motivations aside - I think running over her with a backhoe about 1300 times would be a serious cosmetic improvement.

No sh1t, could you imagine banging this creature. Would you do it doggie style or missionary? Tough question.

KK

hmm i would do either postition..with a 10ft poll

 

[MikeO]

Good god. You need to put some kind of warning on that pic :Q :frown: