woman who refused c-section charged with murder *NOW WITH PIC*

[dxkj]

Before you all go and tear on this lady, realize that she was probably a morman, and that a c-section would be against her religion to have.

So she trusted that the children would be born fine, and one wasn't. Blame the religion not her.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: gistech1978

Originally posted by: MogulMonster

Originally posted by: gistech1978
then a miscarriage should be manslaughter.

You logic sucks. She was warned of the consequenses of carrying the babies any longer. A miscarriage is not a willful act.

doesnt matter
if i plowed someone in my car on accident, i would still get charged with manslaughter.
if a woman trips on a sidewalk falls on her stomach, it was an accident just like my running over someone example.
if an abortion is murder, miscarriage is manslaughter.
you cant have it both ways in my mind.

Uh you are well aware, most people arent charged with manslaughter in fatal accidents unless they were 1. driving recklessly, which means it wasnt an accident or 2. they were under the influence.

Auto accidents arent really accidents at all. So your analogy is quite flawed.

 

[NFS4]

WTF!!!??? Charged with murder??????

OTOH, those people saying that "they call this murder, but abortion is legal;" abortions aren't performed on a near full term baby. So the comparisons are pretty baseless.

Regardless, that's a pretty f*&ked up situation.

 

[Saulbadguy]

attack of the pro-lifers....agghh

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: gistech1978

Originally posted by: MogulMonster

Originally posted by: gistech1978
then a miscarriage should be manslaughter.

You logic sucks. She was warned of the consequenses of carrying the babies any longer. A miscarriage is not a willful act.

doesnt matter
if i plowed someone in my car on accident, i would still get charged with manslaughter.
if a woman trips on a sidewalk falls on her stomach, it was an accident just like my running over someone example.
if an abortion is murder, miscarriage is manslaughter.
you cant have it both ways in my mind.

Abortion is WILLFULLY terminating a human life, which is why it should be illegal.
A miscarriage is typically something that you can't avoid and you have nothing to do with, thus you are not liable. If you were doing drugs and caused a miscarrage, then yes it would be manslaughter.

 

[Mr N8]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: gistech1978

Originally posted by: MogulMonster

Originally posted by: gistech1978
then a miscarriage should be manslaughter.

You logic sucks. She was warned of the consequenses of carrying the babies any longer. A miscarriage is not a willful act.

doesnt matter
if i plowed someone in my car on accident, i would still get charged with manslaughter.
if a woman trips on a sidewalk falls on her stomach, it was an accident just like my running over someone example.
if an abortion is murder, miscarriage is manslaughter.
you cant have it both ways in my mind.

Uh you are well aware, most people arent charged with manslaughter in fatal accidents unless they were 1. driving recklessly, which means it wasnt an accident or 2. they were under the influence.

Auto accidents arent really accidents at all. So your analogy is quite flawed.

A common miscarriage is an act of nature, which is not preventable by the mother. A person can do everything correctly, and still have a miscarriage.

I never stated that abortion was murder, either. I stated that you can not call a miscarriage murder, because it is not a willful act. Please do not jump to conclusions about my stance if I have not stated them.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: gistech1978

Originally posted by: MogulMonster

Originally posted by: gistech1978
then a miscarriage should be manslaughter.

You logic sucks. She was warned of the consequenses of carrying the babies any longer. A miscarriage is not a willful act.

doesnt matter
if i plowed someone in my car on accident, i would still get charged with manslaughter.
if a woman trips on a sidewalk falls on her stomach, it was an accident just like my running over someone example.
if an abortion is murder, miscarriage is manslaughter.
you cant have it both ways in my mind.

Abortion is WILLFULLY terminating a human life, which is why it should be illegal.
A miscarriage is typically something that you can't avoid and you have nothing to do with, thus you are not liable. If you were doing drugs and caused a miscarrage, then yes it would be manslaughter.

In some states, they do file criminal charges against women who do drugs while pregnant.

 

[SunnyD]

I hope they find a nice home for her other child.

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: gistech1978

Originally posted by: MogulMonster

Originally posted by: gistech1978
then a miscarriage should be manslaughter.

You logic sucks. She was warned of the consequenses of carrying the babies any longer. A miscarriage is not a willful act.

doesnt matter
if i plowed someone in my car on accident, i would still get charged with manslaughter.
if a woman trips on a sidewalk falls on her stomach, it was an accident just like my running over someone example.
if an abortion is murder, miscarriage is manslaughter.
you cant have it both ways in my mind.

Abortion is WILLFULLY terminating a human life, which is why it should be illegal.
A miscarriage is typically something that you can't avoid and you have nothing to do with, thus you are not liable. If you were doing drugs and caused a miscarrage, then yes it would be manslaughter.

In some states, they do file criminal charges against women who do drugs while pregnant.

WTF?! When you do drugs, pregnant or not, its ILLEGAL!

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude
unbelievable.

unfvckingbelievable

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: gistech1978

Originally posted by: MogulMonster

Originally posted by: gistech1978
then a miscarriage should be manslaughter.

You logic sucks. She was warned of the consequenses of carrying the babies any longer. A miscarriage is not a willful act.

doesnt matter
if i plowed someone in my car on accident, i would still get charged with manslaughter.
if a woman trips on a sidewalk falls on her stomach, it was an accident just like my running over someone example.
if an abortion is murder, miscarriage is manslaughter.
you cant have it both ways in my mind.

Abortion is WILLFULLY terminating a human life, which is why it should be illegal.
A miscarriage is typically something that you can't avoid and you have nothing to do with, thus you are not liable. If you were doing drugs and caused a miscarrage, then yes it would be manslaughter.

In some states, they do file criminal charges against women who do drugs while pregnant.

WTF?! When you do drugs, pregnant or not, its ILLEGAL!

Uh yes but as we all know, most people dont get arrested for doing drugs, they get busted for possession.

And late term abortion is illegal too.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

won't hold up.


Only in SLC!

 

[spidey07]

that is really fvcked up.

 

[JetsFanatic]

Originally posted by: Staley8
but abortion is totally legal and actually promoted? I don't get it.

But, she is a murderer??? When does life legally begin?? At birth I thought!

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: gistech1978

Originally posted by: MogulMonster

Originally posted by: gistech1978
then a miscarriage should be manslaughter.

You logic sucks. She was warned of the consequenses of carrying the babies any longer. A miscarriage is not a willful act.

doesnt matter
if i plowed someone in my car on accident, i would still get charged with manslaughter.
if a woman trips on a sidewalk falls on her stomach, it was an accident just like my running over someone example.
if an abortion is murder, miscarriage is manslaughter.
you cant have it both ways in my mind.

Abortion is WILLFULLY terminating a human life, which is why it should be illegal.
A miscarriage is typically something that you can't avoid and you have nothing to do with, thus you are not liable. If you were doing drugs and caused a miscarrage, then yes it would be manslaughter.

In some states, they do file criminal charges against women who do drugs while pregnant.

WTF?! When you do drugs, pregnant or not, its ILLEGAL!

Uh yes but as we all know, most people dont get arrested for doing drugs, they get busted for possession.

And late term abortion is illegal too.

uh....sorry, but that makes no sense.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: Jzero
The woman is a selfish, shallow biotch, but quite frankly, while I am "pro-choice," they need to be even-handed:
What's the difference between this and an abortion? This and a miscarriage?

And just as importantly, what ramifications could this have for personal medical choice? Can you be forced to go through an operation(either directly with force, or with fear of punishment like this) if the government says you have to? This is one huge can of worms.

 

[Chiropteran]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
What the fvck? Baby's die of natural stuff all the time....stillborn to boot........thats fvcked up

It would not have died with a c-section as stated in the article.

A c-section is NOT natural. The baby dieing due to lack of a c-section would be natural causes.

 

[911paramedic]

It is a patients right to refuse ANY TREATMENT, EVEN LIFESAVING TREATMENT as long as they are competent. Refusing to have surgery is her choice, as badly as it turned out.

P.S. Save me the "who asked the baby if they wanted surgery" stuff, I agree it's terrible, but charging her with murder is insane.

 

[dxkj]

Why is everyone ignoring the fact that this was probably a religious decision, and not a vanity decision.

A c-section would probably have required a blood-transfusion that that is a big no-no for some religions.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: 911paramedic
It is a patients right to refuse ANY TREATMENT, EVEN LIFESAVING TREATMENT as long as they are competent. Refusing to have surgery is her choice, as badly as it turned out.

P.S. Save me the "who asked the baby if they wanted surgery" stuff, I agree it's terrible, but charging her with murder is insane.

Give this man a :beer:

 

[gistech1978]

Originally posted by: MogulMonster

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: gistech1978

Originally posted by: MogulMonster

Originally posted by: gistech1978
then a miscarriage should be manslaughter.

You logic sucks. She was warned of the consequenses of carrying the babies any longer. A miscarriage is not a willful act.

doesnt matter
if i plowed someone in my car on accident, i would still get charged with manslaughter.
if a woman trips on a sidewalk falls on her stomach, it was an accident just like my running over someone example.
if an abortion is murder, miscarriage is manslaughter.
you cant have it both ways in my mind.

Uh you are well aware, most people arent charged with manslaughter in fatal accidents unless they were 1. driving recklessly, which means it wasnt an accident or 2. they were under the influence.

Auto accidents arent really accidents at all. So your analogy is quite flawed.

A common miscarriage is an act of nature, which is not preventable by the mother. A person can do everything correctly, and still have a miscarriage.

I never stated that abortion was murder, either. I stated that you can not call a miscarriage murder, because it is not a willful act. Please do not jump to conclusions about my stance if I have not stated them.

well, despite charges or not.
using my example, you will definitely face a civil wrongful death lawsuit. so you will be punished one way or another.
yes, i realize some miscarriages are natural. no fault of the woman. but if an abortion is called murder then what should a miscarriage be? negliciance? manslaughter? its either a life or it isnt.

i wasnt attacking YOU personally btw.

 

[lokiju]

Rowland said a Caesarean would "ruin her life" and she would rather "lose one of the babies than be cut like that."


Man thats just cold.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

She deserves prison. That will ruin her life.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: blazert40
Rowland said a Caesarean would "ruin her life" and she would rather "lose one of the babies than be cut like that."


Man thats just cold.

...and her right.

 

[NFS4]

Here's a hypothetical for you. Let's say that in a freak case of nature, a woman is faced with two possibilities:

(1) The mother delivers the baby, the mother WILL die of complications, but the baby will most likely live. I think there's something similar this, preclampcia? Aplasticnemia? Something like that...

(2) If the mother refuses to deliver the baby, the baby will die, but the mother will live.

Wrap your little fingers around that one.