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Woman mauled by dogs has leg amputated

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TheNinja said:
I'm somewhere in the middle, but feel that honestly, in today's society with people, kids, and other dogs concentrated in small areas, there really is no need for a pitt bull breed. Just get something else. Why do you think you need a pitt bull anyway? To prove to everyone that they are awesome dogs and that you can train one? To look tough? Please tell me the draw to such a breed that you could not get from another breed.
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Dulanic said:
No what it is incriminating against is the type of people who own them. I would be ALLLL for a ownership "test" before being able to own a pitbull. Unfortunately, it isn't fesible.

You know what dog killed more people than any other in the 70s? German Shepards. In the 90s it was rots. Why? Because during those periods of time they were the dogs primarily owned by fucking morons guys who just want their dogs to be a bad ass.
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Got something to back that up with?
 
Whenever an owner says "omg that's the first time they have ever done that" is mostly bullshitting themselves.
 
My wife and I currently live next to some people that have pit bulls in their backyard. The fence between us isn't in the best of shape so all of these stories kind of worry me. I don't know what I would do if I came home and something similar had happened to my wife.
 
Ns1 said:
another violent poodle attack. BAN POODLES
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Just a heads up because I know you're being sarcastic. Most of the gang bangers I have known over the years have owned a poodle. I asked why and they always told me because people don't think they're ferocious, but they will rip people and most other dogs to shreds. Meanest dog I have ever met was an Afghani as well.

I'll leave this here as well.
http://www.dontbullymybreed.org/
 
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bfdd said:
Just a heads up because I know you're being sarcastic. Most of the gang bangers I have known over the years have owned a poodle. I asked why and they always told me because people don't think they're ferocious, but they will rip people and most other dogs to shreds. Meanest dog I have ever met was an Afghani as well.
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given the choice between being mauled by a poodle or mauled by a pitbull, I'll take the poodle.

And I only decided to pick poodle because I played out chihuahua.
 
TheNinja said:
In general? Yes, absolutely Golden Retrievers are more loving than pit bulls.

And yes I know Pitt Bulls are smaller than Retrievers in general, but pitt bulls are vicious when they bite and they are stocky beasts of muscle. A 50 pound PB is an absolute beast of an animal loaded with all that muscle.

Pit Bull owners and apologists will always stick up for them and blame owners. Pitt Bull haters will always hate them and blame the breed. I'm somewhere in the middle, but feel that honestly, in today's society with people, kids, and other dogs concentrated in small areas, there really is no need for a pitt bull breed. Just get something else. Why do you think you need a pitt bull anyway? To prove to everyone that they are awesome dogs and that you can train one? To look tough? Please tell me the draw to such a breed that you could not get from another breed.
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Why would someone like to have a German Shepherd? They have historically been a nuisance, yet there is no stigma in this decade because of Pits and Rotties. Pits are also starting to be utilized as police dogs but not as prevalent as GShepherds. It all depends on what the "in" dog is for douchebags to buy and abuse. I personally prefer Shepherds for home protection but I'm sure assholes will ruin that for me in the future.
 
The American Veterinary Medical Association through its Task Force on Canine Aggression and Canine-Human Interactions reports, "There are several reasons why it is not possible to calculate a bite rate for a breed or to compare rates between breeds. First, the breed of the biting dog may not be accurately recorded, and mixed-breed dogs are commonly described as if they were purebreds. Second, the actual number of bites that occur in a community is not known, especially if they did not result in serious injury. Third, the number of dogs of a particular breed or combination of breeds in a community is not known, because it is rare for all dogs in a community to be licensed, and existing licensing data is then incomplete."[30] Moreover, studies rely on 'reported' bites, leading the National Geographic Channel television show The Dog Whisperer to conclude that small dog breeds are likely responsible for more bites than large dog breeds, but often go unreported.[31]

In addition, according to the National Geographic Channel television show, Dangerous Encounters, the bite of a German Shepherd Dog has a force of over 238 pounds (compared with that of a Rottweiler, over 265-328 pounds of force, a Pitbull, 235 pounds of force, a Labrador Retriever, of approximately 230 pounds of force, or a human, of approximately 86 pounds of force).[32] Regardless, one source indicates that fatalities have been attributed to over 30 breeds since 1975, including small breeds, such as the Pomeranian.[33] Later test revealed that military trained German shepherds have a bite force ranging from 400-700lbs.
 
Ns1 said:
given the choice between being mauled by a poodle or mauled by a pitbull, I'll take the poodle.

And I only decided to pick poodle because I played out chihuahua.
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I'd just kill the dog, but then again I'm not afraid of animals less than half my size ;| Easiest way to end a dog is to punch it in the throat.

You do know as well that smaller breeds bring along their own issues. Sure you might not get a brutal bite that lets say maims your arm or leg, but you can sure as shit bet that a ton of people are tripping and falling over them. I'll try to find the article, but most dog related injuries are people tripping over their small dog or their dog bowls/toys.
 
SP33Demon said:
Why would someone like to have a German Shepherd? They have historically been a nuisance, yet there is no stigma in this decade because of Pits and Rotties. Pits are also starting to be utilized as police dogs but not as prevalent as GShepherds. It all depends on what the "in" dog is for douchebags to buy and abuse. I personally prefer Shepherds for home protection but I'm sure assholes will ruin that for me in the future.
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shepherds are one of the easiest breeds to train, they're also one of the smartest and most versatile breeds.
 
The only two dog bites my dog has suffered that required surgery were by a Whippet and a Golden Retriever. The whippet bite was the most serious. A lot of dog bites go unreported, I don't think most would make a civil matter of a small dog causing them stitches.
 
Broheim said:
shepherds are one of the easiest breeds to train, they're also one of the smartest and most versatile breeds.
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German shepherds has a strong natural protective instinct and are intelligent, however; if not properly brought up they can be dangerous because of that.

They are usually on the smartest dog rankings but not easiest to train ones.

Also these lists don't paint the whole picture as many that make either list also require a tremendous amount of attention and activity.

In reality, the lesser intelligent dogs can learn all the basic commands with ease and be much more career friendly. 'smart' is akin to the dog doing far beyond the scope of most households.
 
Dulanic said:
As a dog owner, I say fuck you to all you pit haters. Be ghetto owner haters, be lazy owner haters, but whatever. However don't hate the animals. The animals know what they live. I own a mix pit and if someone she knew smacked her in the head... she wouldn't touch them! Why? Because she knows they are not a true danger and she has been around them.

Pitbulls take a lot of work. However, once when they are properly trained they are the most loyal loving dogs in the world. My dog doesn't even bark unless she senses something wrong. She gets walked all the time and when we walk she gets growled and barked at from the stupid dogs in houses we pass. You know what she does? Walks ahead and ignores them. What does she do when other people dogs walk past ours? Nothing. But it is pits that are the problem... yeah.

Dogs need discipline. Dogs need to be socialized. A dog who has never been close and played with another dog will not know how to deal with them. A dog who isn't taught to listen to it's owner... won't.

With ANY species including humans there are going to be those that are crazy and aggressive. These forums alone are proof of that. Should we ban all human's? God I wish we could find a way to make stupid ones illegal.
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my sisters 2 pitts are the same as yours. all the way down to simply ignoring other dogs that bark at them. she has 2 kids 2 and 4 and the dogs seriously act like big stuffed animals around them
 
Ns1 said:
yeah but most of them don't lead to death or lawsuit.
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it's damn near impossible for me to find the article now because any search involving hospital and dogs returns like 10 million+ dog bite results, but there was a study done recently that showed the most dangerous dogs are little dogs. They are involved in more hospital visits than bigger dogs, even the pitt breeds. For the reasons I stated. Sure they might not be maimings, but you have a higher likelihood of injuring yourself due to tripping and falling. Tripping and falling can lead to very serious injuries or even death.
 
Broheim said:
shepherds are one of the easiest breeds to train, they're also one of the smartest and most versatile breeds.
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And they're also arguably in the top 3 of biting people to maim and kill with a bite that is stronger than a Pit's. Pits aren't hard to train, you are aware that there are a ton of Pit service dogs?

The DOJ ruling says that Pits (or any banned breed anywhere) have to be allowed.

But while this shrinks the ranks of what can be considered a service animal -- no more lizards, cats, parrots, monkeys, pot-bellied pigs -- it also explicitly extends that definition to include all dogs regardless of breed. This puts the pit bull bans in Aurora and Denver square in the cross-hairs for potential future litigation -- on top of the class-action lawsuit both cities are facing from disabled residents who use pit bulls as service animals.

The ruling by the Department of Justice last year doesn't specifically mention pit bulls. Rather, it found that local governments cannot use ordinances banning certain dog breeds as a justification to prevent a disabled person from utilizing any service dog of their choosing. A memo from the department says that decisions as to whether a dog should be permitted under the umbrella of "service animal" should be "based on that particular animal's actual behavior or history -- not based on fears or generalizations about how an animal or breed might behave."
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http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2011/03/pit_bull_service_dog_rules_aurora_ban.php

Allen Grider of Aurora and Glenn Belcher of Denver are U.S. veterans who suffer from psychological disabilities they say resulted from wartime service. Valarie Piltz is a Washington-based dog trainer with physical mobility problems and a condition that causes her to experience debilitating panic attacks. All three say the breed bans fail to make proper exemptions for their service animals of choice: pit bulls.

Actually, in the case of Grider, it’s Aurora animal control that deemed his dog “Precious” a pit bull. The Vietnam vet says the dog is a boxer/lab mix recommended by a VA social worker to help him manage his acute Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and related mental disabilities. Among other acts, Precious is trained to enter rooms and buildings ahead of Grider and perform nighttime patrols in their Aurora apartment to ease his owner’s persistent bouts of hyper vigilance.
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http://thedenverdailynews.com/article.php?aID=8357

I'm so scared for those disabled elderly, their evil Pit bulls are going to kill them! Pray for them!
 
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bfdd said:
it's damn near impossible for me to find the article now because any search involving hospital and dogs returns like 10 million+ dog bite results, but there was a study done recently that showed the most dangerous dogs are little dogs. They are involved in more hospital visits than bigger dogs, even the pitt breeds. For the reasons I stated. Sure they might not be maimings, but you have a higher likelihood of injuring yourself due to tripping and falling. Tripping and falling can lead to very serious injuries or even death.
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you can't seriously be comparing the dangers of tripping over a small dog vs being mauled by a pitbull.
 
Ns1 said:
you can't seriously be comparing the dangers of tripping over a small dog vs being mauled by a pitbull.
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injuries are injuries. if you're 50x's more likely to trip over a small dog than get bit by a big dog, why would you run the risk of getting injured with the small dog?

Oh but mauling and maiming... that's sooo bad. Yeah it doesn't happen all that often. So if we're talking about weighing risks, having a dog PERIOD is a risk and one no one should take, but we allow it anyways. So either ban all dogs as they are a risk or shut the fuck up about a certain breed because it doesn't really matter. Dogs do whatever we tell them too, they have for thousands of years and we made sure we bred them to be our "slaves". If a dog acts out that is because he doesn't respect his master or was never trained otherwise.
 
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