The Yankees can not fight the Red Sox? Oh come on. Have we seen a full fledged fight or even something showing fighting skills? ARod grew up in Miami fool. ARod did not start the fight. Since when does a catcher have to escort a person down first. There was merely an exchange of words between Arroyo and ARod and all Varitek had to do was get to the mound to protect his pitcher. Vartiek is nothing more than another Red Sox "hardcore" bully. If he was so tough, why didn't he take off the mask before fighting?
The Yankees can not fight the Red Sox? Oh come on. Have we seen a full fledged fight or even something showing fighting skills? ARod grew up in Miami fool. ARod did not start the fight. Since when does a catcher have to escort a person down first. There was merely an exchange of words between Arroyo and ARod and all Varitek had to do was get to the mound to protect his pitcher. Vartiek is nothing more than another Red Sox "hardcore" bully. If he was so tough, why didn't he take off the mask before fighting?
Umm and you seem to think that you know it all too? You think someone would turn to someone else for no reason? If you knew anything, post-game interviews for both ARod and Varitek included questions on whether Varitek said anything. They both acknowledge that he said something but would not comment further on what was said. Get the facts buddy. All you Yankee Haters, get the facts and use them.
In the middle of a situation like that, do you really think anyone would bother to think of even taking their mask off?
On another note, does anyone have a video of this?
ThePresence
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Same question to you regarding the Tanyon incident: Do you think in the middle of a brawl he knew he was "choking" Kapler? I think he was just pulling people off.
Heres the VIDEP CLIP:
ASK, and ye shall recieve.
Though, notice how FOX conveniently edited out for the clip (but which I saw on TV), the part where A-fraud kept on yelling at Varitek, "F*** You, "F*** You, "F*** You, MUTHA-FVCKA, COME ON!!!"
I mean of course TEK is gonna drop him after he said this, and then stepped up to him. A-Rod started this whole thing.
Like I said before, you don't pull people off with a chokehold around the neck. Too bad the Yankees didn't seem fit to protect their starting pitcher, they left him all alone to get whooped by Kapler, Nixon, and Ortiz. And Tek left his mask on because he's f'n smart, that's why.
Perhaps in the way he had his arm around Kapler's throat? Grab a guy by his waist or arms--heck a headlock shows you are trying to dissuade fighting..a chokehold isn't very convincing.
You see what I mean? You Red Sox fans make no sense. First you call people P$ssy because they put a "chokehold" on someone to get them away from a fight. Then you say keeping a mask on during a fight is "f'n smart". You guys make no sense. And yes people do pull people away with "choke holds". He had his arm around his neck and an arm on his waist. If he wanted to choke hold him, both arms would have been near the neck. If you look at the video closely, he grabbed him on the SIDE of his neck, not the front. Please look carefully before accusing.
Another random person coming into this thread. Please read the rest of this thread before you speak in it. ARod did NOT start it and there has been proof. Please read it. Thanks.
I repeat again: He had his arm around his neck and an arm on his waist. If he wanted to choke hold him, both arms would have been near the neck. If you look at the video closely, he grabbed him on the SIDE of his neck, not the front. Please look carefully before accusing.
Hahah yes I'm sure Sturtze carefully planned the proper hold alignment to physically disable Kapler without harming him..in those seconds in which the melee was happening.
BUAHAHAH...
HAHAHAHA
:laugh:
Probably not. But he got fvcked up anyway.
Regardless, we have no way of knowing whether the HBP was intentional or not. What we do know is that Arod reacted to it badly. The pitch hit him on the left arm, as close to the plate as you can get.
Your post made no sense. Your now saying he didn't plan his actions? But you were accusing him earlier of purposely choking Kaplar?
HAHAHA I don't think you should be laughing. :roll:
Thank you. Thats all I wanted to hear. He didn't PURPOSEFULLY do it. He go fvcked up because it was 3 on 1 while everyone else was trying to break the other pile up. Again, please present all the facts.
They're been presented well enough in the thread already. Varitek pretty much owned Arod mask or not (I consider that "come on" to be the start of an actual 1-1 fight). And with Pedro trashing Zimmer last year Red Sox are certainly up in that department.
I don't see how anyone can be a fan of either team. Picking between the Yankees salary abuse and the Red Sox punkish attitude is very fun. :roll: Personally I think the latter is less reprehensible, but I'd rather have just about any other team win the world series.
Umm..no. You said he was trying to break up the fight..when it was obvious he grabbed Kapler by the neck which is clearly an aggressive move.
This is further proven when he pulls kapler away from the pile yet proceeds to hang on to kaplers neck like a rottweiler until Kapler, Ortiz, et all removes his choke hold.
Whether you want to be completely ignorant or not..Arod was just as at fault as any Red Sox player for the brawl..I'm willing to say both sides contributed to it, but if he doesn't mouth off there is no fight.
And for another laugh, read the Heyman/Newsday perspective of this:
link
Clearly this man needs to get a fiction book deal and fast.
Umpire Bruce Froemming reported that "they told each other to -- -- themselves." Rodriguez declined to recount the dialogue.
I rest my case.
I rest my case.
I didn't get a chance to see the game (and hence the brawl) and I have only read about 2.5 pages of this, so I don't know if this issue has been addressed yet. But anyway, this has to be the stupidest post I've seen thus far. Do you have any idea what happens after a brawl in baseball? Both teams get warned and the next HBP earns the pitcher and the manager a one-way ticket to the clubhouse for the rest of the game. So if anything, the NYY pitcher was SMART in showing discipline and not letting his emotions take over the game by plunking one of the Red Sox players in the bottom of the inning as NY may have needed him to stay in the game. And wow, Sturtze got beaten up by 3 Red Sox players (taken from your description of the proceedings).....that's great.....good thing it changes the fact that Boston is 9.5 GB. The brawl was pointless and will serve no purpose other than to get players suspended and produce idiotic posts on internet message boards.
-Tom
*Sigh* Listen to yourself my friend. "Grabbed Kapler by the neck" that would infer that he used his hand to put a choke hold on him. He did not. He used his forearm on the SIDE of his neck.
"his is further proven when he pulls kapler away from the pile yet proceeds to hang on to kaplers neck like a rottweiler" Look at the rest of the video and tell me that you do not see everyone out on the field holding on to someone during the chaos. People don't just let you go in the middle of a fight. Learn that.
"Whether you want to be completely ignorant or not..Arod was just as at fault as any Red Sox player for the brawl..I'm willing to say both sides contributed to it, but if he doesn't mouth off there is no fight."
I never said ARod didn't contribute to it, just some Yankee Haters that think ARod was the only cause for the fight, which is completely wrong. If Arroyo didn't intentionally throw at him, there would be no mouthing off.
Case closed.
SP33Demon
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Exactly. ARod made a lameass attempt to get out of the way. Then the pitch hits his armor and he cries like a little bitch who just found coal in his stocking for xmas. Then he stood there and pouted after getting his face rearranged. Hey GayRod, if you incite a pitbull, you deserve to get mauled!!
What proof do we have of this? Funny how you claim everyone else is twisting the truth, and you automatically assume the HBP was intentional. If he had hit arod on the back or leg you might have an argument, but not on the elbow that is right next to the plate.
My $.02 on the chokehold: At 6'5, Tanyon's arm's are naturally around the height of the 6'2 Gabe Kapler's neck.
SP33Demon
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Ahaahhahahah you compare Foulke losing the game with the score tied to Rivera utterly gagging with a 2 run lead? Please don't drink it's killed all of your brain cells and your cognitive ability has been compromised.
BTW links to where "last week you were booing Nomar" and "questioning your manager's decisions". Didn't think so, pansy boy, because I never said such a thing. Or better yet, why don't you look up the thread after Boston lost the 3 games in NY and I just laughed in your face... and then quoted all that matters:
RED SOX NATION IS STRONGER THAN EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Truth be told, there will never be any proof of this, only the obvious indications. I cannot say that 100% of the HBP was intentional. However the evidence in the case is against him. 2 outs, losing by 3 runs early, first pitch barely missed ARod. ARod does not crowd the plate like Soriano. ARod won the game for them the night before. Seems like all the fingers are point that way. But I can offer no 100% proof.
And thanks for making sense of the Tanyon situation.
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