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With $15/hr min in CA, #NoMoreTipping movement has solid footing?

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zinfamous said:
Or you could actually wonder why the cooks are making far less then servers, due to tipping.
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Leave it to you.

In no equation is a cook making less money than a server.. due to tipping. That's completely retarded.

The waitperson is making LESS from the restaurant owner- who's relying on TIPS from the customer to make his money, NOT more money from the restaurant owner. That would actually leave the owner MORE money to pay his other staff, including cooks.

But you've clearly -like a lot of the no-tip brigade- been snowballed by some restaurant owner propaganda. Highly ironic, since any such person arguing they can't pay their own cook more- using the fact that another employee gets paid more directly from the customer, that is money that's not even coming out of his pocket in any way- is just a cheap bastard making a really lame and illogical excuse for not paying his cook more, and you're buying it!

But by all means, back to your rallying cry of let's turn someone else's good job into a minimum wage job so you can appease cooks and shady restaurant owners who don't pay their own non-tipped staff better BY CHOICE!
 
This thread is the gift that keeps on giving. 😀

Unfounded passionate thoughts defy logic and data. Never fails.

Keep it up, Sparky.
 
Such a rebuttal!

Bleeding hearts! LOL!


"WE looooooove the little guy...."





"...so long as he STAYS the little guy! If he figures out how to make *GASP* MORE MONEY than someone else, then we'll side with his greedy boss, using the dumbest logic possible, to make sure we can kick him back down to minimum wage! That'll teach 'em! How dare he make more than a dishwasher!"




"BUT we LOOOOVE the little guy!!"
 
Genx87 said:
Tell your boss to pay better. Seriously what is so complicated about eliminating tips and replacing it with a better wage? What other industry runs where an employee wont work with certain people or amounts of people and they keep their job?
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Fuck some of you people are dense.

An owner is NOT going to pay someone $100 a hour for waiting on a large party. Not in your wildest dreams.

A large party WILL pay someone $100 an hour for waiting on them. Gladly. With a smile.


What about this doesn't your cheap ass understand?
 
Zaap said:
Fuck some of you people are dense.

An owner is NOT going to pay someone $100 a hour for waiting on a large party. Not in your wildest dreams.

A large party WILL pay someone $100 an hour for waiting on them. Gladly. With a smile.


What about this doesn't your cheap ass understand?
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I understand that's fucking ridiculous that the waiter is making $50/hr while Jose is the back is making $11/hr and Enrique, the EC, is making $16/hr.

And I will gladly continue to patronize restaurants that charge a flat 18% service fee to eliminate that BS (thanks Sprout Restaurant Group!)
 
Ns1 said:
I understand that's fucking ridiculous that the waiter is making $50/hr while Jose is the back is making $11 and Enrique, the EC, is making $16/hr.
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So let's kick the waiter down to the dishwasher's level and make his job shit... so it's fair for the illegal alien that idiots like you are all in favor of flooding the workforce with. "HOW DARE he make more money! HOW DARE his job not be shit!" We'll fix that!



"BUT we're for the little guy!"
 
Zaap said:
Fuck some of you people are dense.

An owner is NOT going to pay someone $100 a hour for waiting on a large party. Not in your wildest dreams.

A large party WILL pay someone $100 an hour for waiting on them. Gladly. With a smile.


What about this doesn't your cheap ass understand?
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My over-tipping ass actually understands that that waiter isn't taking in all of that "$100/hr" from tips


fails to read.
ignores new information.
fails to think.
repeats uninformed passionate thoughts. low information, low thinking stagnating automaton.
 
Zaap said:
So let's kick the waiter down to the dishwasher's level and make his job shit... so it's fair for the illegal alien that idiots like you are all in favor of flooding the workforce with.
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why do you hate Jose so much? I'm calling for a REASONABLE WAGE FOR ALL STAFF. Unlike you.
 
Zaap said:
So let's kick the waiter down to the dishwasher's level and make his job shit... so it's fair for the illegal alien that idiots like you are all in favor of flooding the workforce with. "HOW DARE he make more money! HOW DARE his job not be shit!" We'll fix that!



"BUT we're for the little guy!"
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Do you have a crayon buried deep in your ear canal somewhere, inhibiting neural signalling?

serious question.
 
zinfamous said:
My over-tipping ass actually understands that that waiter isn't taking in all of that "$100/hr" from tips
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You don't even understand the example.

fails to read.
ignores new information.
fails to think.
repeats uninformed passionate thoughts. low information, low thinking stagnating automaton.
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LOL! Yup, TOTALLY you! First honest thing you've posted!
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
Freakonomics had a very interesting podcast regarding tipping and front room/back room pay issues in restaurants. Well worth the listen imo.

http://freakonomics.com/podcast/danny-meyer/
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you're a few hundred posts behind.

I think the current retort to that is "Danny Meyer doesn't know what he's talking about and is spreading propaganda BS, and you bought it hook/line/sinker." This is usually said by a former servers and backed up by anecdotes and "you're a cheapass" jabs.
 
Ns1 said:
why do you hate Jose so much? I'm calling for a REASONABLE WAGE FOR ALL STAFF. Unlike you.
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You're too lost to understand there's NOTHING (that has to do with Jane's job as a tipped employee- actually making LESS of a base salary from the employer- possibly even less than Jose!) stopping the restaurant owner who's bullshit you fell for, from paying Jose more if he so chose.
 
oh boy the anti-tipper are indeed super dense. Let's summarize this thread:

- Same guy posting the same podcast link multiple times which actually does not support his own position.

- Anti-tippers using extreme arguments like: why don't you tip your Doctors too? LMAO.

- While everyone else just sit back and watch the anti-tippers embarrass themselves.

- Best part is, anti-tippers think they are presenting a winning argument.
 
Zaap said:
You're too lost to understand there's NOTHING (that has to do with Jane's job as a tipped employee- actually making LESS of a base salary from the employer- possibly even less than Jose!) stopping the restaurant owner who's bullshit you fell for, from paying Jose more if he so chose.
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I'm pretty sure what's stopping the owner from paying Jose more is single digit margins and the desire not to alienate customers via higher prices and the expectation to tip.
 
openwheel said:
oh boy the anti-tipper are indeed super dense. Let's summarize this thread:

- Same guy posting the same podcast link multiple times which actually does not support his own position.

- Anti-tippers using extreme arguments like: why don't you tip your Doctors too? LMAO.

- While everyone else just sit back and watch the anti-tippers embarrass themselves.

- Best part is, anti-tippers think they are presenting a winning argument.
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everyone else = you and your alt account, right?

Pro-Tip: don't quote your alt in your sig.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
Freakonomics had a very interesting podcast regarding tipping and front room/back room pay issues in restaurants. Well worth the listen imo.

http://freakonomics.com/podcast/danny-meyer/
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Yeah, except the host was not actually advocating getting rid of tipping. As all Freakonomics arguments are, it wants you to think from an unconventional point of view. No where did Dubner conclude getting rid of tipping is a good idea. Someone else already confused himself with the same podcast earlier in this thread.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
Post #227...it took a while to find it...my apologies. lol
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the responses are hilarious, tho.


openwheel said:
Yeah, except the host was not actually advocating getting rid of tipping. As all Freakonomics arguments are, it wants you to think from an unconventional point of view. No where did Dubner conclude getting rid of tipping is a good idea. Someone else already confused himself with the same podcast earlier in this thread.
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lol, see^

low information dummy confusing one alt account for the next.
 
zinfamous said:
the responses are hilarious, tho.



lol, see^

low information dummy confusing one alt account for the next.
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I personally don't have an opinion on this issue. But after seeing so many highly emotional posts here, I'm going to carefully back away from this thread and take a quick shower. Bye all.
 
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