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With $15/hr min in CA, #NoMoreTipping movement has solid footing?

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eskimospy said:
It's a useless and inefficient process that has no positive effects that anyone has been able to identify.
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The positive effect is that servers make a shitload of money compared to everyone else in the restaurant industry. Wait, that's only positive for servers...
 
JSt0rm said:
also the positive effect is that poor people can make a living wage working a job most wont.
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There are plenty of ways to have people make a living wage that doesn't rely on a stupid and meaningless contrivance. Again, the research overwhelmingly comes down on the side of tips having a very small effect on the quality of service at best. It's a pointless exercise.

There is nothing special about a restaurant job that demands a different pay structure, the different pay structure is inefficient and makes wages unpredictable, it slows down how quickly restaurants can turn tables by making payment a two step process, etc, etc.

I'm still waiting for anyone to come up with a single advantage for it. So far everyone has failed.
 
The argument ends when someone claims tips have no bearing on service quality. LOL.

This has been a lopsided debate and I am thoroughly enjoying it.

Research shows and have concluded that I have the World's most beautiful and desirable DICK! That's right, I said it and it must be true because you know, studies have shown.
 
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openwheel said:
The argument ends when someone claims tips have no bearing on service quality. LOL.

This has been a lopsided debate and I am thoroughly enjoying it.

Research shows and have concluded that I have the World's most beautiful and desirable DICK! That's right, I said it and it must be true because you know, studies have shown.
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:thumbsup:
 
eskimospy said:
There are plenty of ways to have people make a living wage that doesn't rely on a stupid and meaningless contrivance. Again, the research overwhelmingly comes down on the side of tips having a very small effect on the quality of service at best. It's a pointless exercise.

There is nothing special about a restaurant job that demands a different pay structure, the different pay structure is inefficient and makes wages unpredictable, it slows down how quickly restaurants can turn tables by making payment a two step process, etc, etc.

I'm still waiting for anyone to come up with a single advantage for it. So far everyone has failed.
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I told you. Any research on if tips effect service is going to be flawed because servers get tips after service.
 
eskimospy said:
There are plenty of ways to have people make a living wage that doesn't rely on a stupid and meaningless contrivance. Again, the research overwhelmingly comes down on the side of tips having a very small effect on the quality of service at best. It's a pointless exercise.

There is nothing special about a restaurant job that demands a different pay structure, the different pay structure is inefficient and makes wages unpredictable, it slows down how quickly restaurants can turn tables by making payment a two step process, etc, etc.

I'm still waiting for anyone to come up with a single advantage for it. So far everyone has failed.
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As oppose to the French way of turning tables?

Owned!!!
 
openwheel said:
The argument ends when someone claims tips have no bearing on service quality. LOL.

This has been a lopsided debate and I am thoroughly enjoying it.
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Looks like you have some reading to do. I didn't say no impact, I just said a minimal one.

http://www.tippingresearch.com/uploads/Grat_jse.pdf

These findings suggest that tippers are concerned about equitable economic relationships with servers, but that equity effects may be too weak for tip size to serve as a valid measure of server performance or for tipping to serve as an effective incentive for delivering good service.
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NOW the discussion should be over, haha. This really has been a lopsided debate though, I agree.
 
JSt0rm said:
I told you. Any research on if tips effect service is going to be flawed because servers get tips after service.
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That makes no sense. If servers notice that more satisfied customers tip better then they would rationally work to ensure that their customers in the future were more satisfied as well. It's not like research into this hasn't been happening for decades.

It turns out that there are far more effective means of getting better tips than providing good service like leaving smiley faces on the check. (No joke).
 
eskimospy said:
Looks like you have some reading to do. I didn't say no impact, I just said a minimal one.

http://www.tippingresearch.com/uploads/Grat_jse.pdf



NOW the discussion should be over, haha. This really has been a lopsided debate though, I agree.
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That guys site looks highly suspect...

another paper:

Abstract
A survey of several hundred restaurant servers in the United States found that
servers’ attitudes toward working for tips and average tip sizes were weakly related (at
best) to their service
-orientation, intended job-
tenure, and occupational
-tenure. These
findings suggest that tipping does not substantially help to attract and retain more service
-
oriented workers. Restaurateurs can eliminate tipping at their restaurants without fear that
doing so will reduce the
quality of their
wait
-staff.
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lol
 
eskimospy said:
NOW the discussion should be over, haha. This really has been a lopsided debate though, I agree.
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it's hard to have an even debate when one side has data and the other has anecdotes

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eskimospy said:
That makes no sense. If servers notice that more satisfied customers tip better then they would rationally work to ensure that their customers in the future were more satisfied as well. It's not like research into this hasn't been happening for decades.

It turns out that there are far more effective means of getting better tips than providing good service like leaving smiley faces on the check. (No joke).
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I worked in the industry for 15 years. Shitty servers made less money.

You are asking the wrong questions. What should be asked is what is the average per cover of a server who works for tips vs a server who doesnt. There you will find a server who is providing service. :sneaky:
 
Thats cool. If I wanted to spend time digging into all the crap they did I would probably have issues with how they did the study. As I said average per cover tells all.
 
JSt0rm said:
Thats cool. If I wanted to spend time digging into all the crap they did I would probably have issues with how they did the study. As I said average per cover tells all.
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Well if you don't like that one there are many many other articles that come to similar conclusions. Sorry, the empirical research trumps your personal experience.

You can't complain about other people ignoring the evidence if you aren't willing to accept it even when it tells you things you don't want to hear.
 
So they never asked the only question that really matters...

Do tipped employees have a higher average per cover then non tipped employees. lmao.
 
eskimospy said:
Haha thanks. It really shouldn't matter though, as where the paper was originally published is all that matters. People are just looking for ways to ignore inconvenient facts.
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Find average per cover in any of his material. Fuck it you know what? Im gonna write him a email and ask where it is.

oh the email link on his site goes to a generic pdf.
 
oops looks like i found it.

http://www.tippingresearch.com/uploads/BuyerMonitoringFinalVersion.pdf

ABSTRACT
Marketing scholars propose that service employees
play a primary role in delivering service
quality. However, the question of how to mo
tivate service employees
to enhance service
production has received little research attenti
on. The authors address this gap by advocating a
control mechanism first discussed in the ec
onomics literature—buyer monitoring. The authors
focus on a pervasive form of buyer monitoring,
voluntary tipping, and examine the effectiveness
of this control mechanism as a means of impr
oving service in two diffe
rent contexts: leisure
cruises and restaurant dining. Despite a substantia
l interdisciplinary lite
rature reporting a weak
relationship between customer perceptions of se
rvice and their tipping behavior, results show
that a policy of voluntary tipping has positive eff
ects on the motivation and behavior of service
workers and on customers’ perceptions of the se
rvice those workers provide. These findings call
attention to buyer monitoring as both a topic fo
r academic research and a practical mechanism
for motivating service employees. The findings also
call into question tre
nds away from tipping
in service contexts such as
the cruise industry and suggest
that many service businesses for
which tipping is not viable may benefit
from alternative forms of buyer monitoring.
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owned

he called it average per person.
 
We are linking to tipresearch.com now? I guess cheap bastards know a little site called Google? You guys think winning an argument is by Googling. No wonder you guys actually believe tipping has no effect on service quality. Most likely just a couple dudes with low paying jobs that can't afford a decent meal without pitching pennies for 18% tip.

Try openwheelhasbeautifuldick.com and let's end this lopsided discussion already, you cheap bastards are just embarrassing yourselves.
 
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