Pliablemoose
Lifer
Here in Texas if you're detected, unless you refuse to leave, you will be charged and lose your permit.
However, if you're doing CC correctly, they'll never know😀
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Wisconsin Gov. vetoes concealed carry bill
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Here in Texas if you're detected, unless you refuse to leave, you will be charged and lose your permit.
However, if you're doing CC correctly, they'll never know😀
Since at least 1787. Allow me to introduce you to the Preamble to the Constitution of the United States of America.
3chordcharlie
Diamond Member
That's kind of my point.
Is it just me or does it seem to others that the people who cry the loudest for gun control are also the people who cry the loudest about the US becoming a police state?
The police can't be everywhere all the time, and I wouldn't want them to be either. What's wrong with people protecting themselves?
Hecubus2000
Senior member
for the clueless. 
Pliablemoose
Lifer
LOL, knee jerk felt there.
Fact is it happens thousands of times every day in Texas, where you're allowed to have your CCW dropping off & picking up children.
Look at all of the mass murders of school children by CCW permit holders in Texas...
PrinceofWands
Lifer
You sir, have earned a place of dishonor among the biggest idiots posting on this board today. You make no valid points, commit nearly EVERY fallacy of argument, and are generally an ass on top of it.
Spraying cops with a submachine gun has nothing to do with concealed carry. In a research study in 2001 it was found that current or former law enforcement actually committed more crimes per capita (in category) than did persons with a concealed weapons permit (note: study is highly flawed because there is no guarantee that a persons status as a cpl holder would have been reported if the crime in question did not involve a weapon).
That's not even a sentence. I think you left out a word or two.
Yup, as a matter of fact I do. Especially since a very large percentage of us 'hicks' are former military with extensive skills and combat knowledge, as well as access to all materials necessary to combat a modern military force. Furthermore you are undoubtably under the erroneous assumption that a revolutionary or civil war would involve full force deployments domestically, and that is an unlikely scenerio. Full force deployments cause demoralization of the general public, to say nothing of collatoral damages. It would be poor strategy for the government to respond with anything more than small unit tactics.
Cost benefit analysis would provide one reason. Another would be a desire to avoid meat that was chemically imbued. Not that I personally hunt, but I thought I'd refute it just because I could.
And english education needs to be more betterer.
You're an idiot. First of all such things have been tried before to some degree. Penalties for drug violations are rapidly approaching this point, especially with the implementation of three strikes laws. Have you noticed a reduction in drugs? I haven't. In fact recent studies indicate a massive increase in drug crimes, accidents, and general proliferation. The same thing happened with prohibition. Laws against something, no matter how strict, do NOT stop the thing from occurring. Hell, you can be executed for murder, but it still makes the news every night.
Furthermore you're talking about violation of the rights guaranteed by constitutional amendment. The only way to even approach your desire would be through a repeal process that would NEVER occur. Politicians want to remain politicians, which they wouldn't if they sponsored such a bill. Even if they did manage it some day, the result will not be removal of guns, but revolution.
I told you that you were an idiot. Now you're doubly so. So the fourth amendment is meaningless to you as well. Hell, why even have a constitution? I can kill you with my bare hands, are you going to amputate them? Seriously. Credit cards make excellent weapons when wielded correctly. As do pencils, sticks, knives, bats, clubs, furniture, glass, bottles, rocks...guess you'll have to confiscate all those things. Also all drugs of course. GREAT IDEA you've got there...you really thought it all out.
Tell you what; if you TRULY believe in your idea, come over to my house and try to take my weapons yourself. You can bring as many people with you as you want, armed with anything you can obtain.
2845 Ocean Beach Hwy
Longview WA 98632
Big grey sided house with a turn-around driveway.
If you can get them away from me, you can have them. Deal?
PrinceofWands
Lifer
Not really. In many states there are almost no qualifications. In Washington if you're a resident who hasn't committed any felonies and pass a background check conducted by name, social, birth date and fingerprints then you get your permit for...I think $65 now. No training required, no mental health eval, etc.
Just FYI.
PrinceofWands
Lifer
Actually accuracy is the LEAST important skill for permit holders. Oh, it's good to practice, don't get me wrong. And most states that have training requirements also require someone verify that you can hit the black of the target at some short distance (like 7-15'). Unfortunately real life shootings aren't like target shooting. Your accuracy on the range is not neccessarily indicitive of how well you'll do when fighting for your life. Many police officers are excellent target shooters, but they still end up spraying 10 rounds to hit with 2. It's chaos in a fight. Training helps, but it's not the ultimate.
Most training is about safety when NOT in a fight, or about shoot/don't shoot principles.
PrinceofWands
Lifer
Anyone who wants a gun can get one in a day from an illegal source. Waiting periods do NOTHING.
PrinceofWands
Lifer
There are a number of reasons for it.
1. Open carry alarms the public, creating panic which leads to incidents and accidents.
2. Open carry informs actual criminals that you are a threat and need to be taken out first.
3. In many places open carry is illegal, leaving concealed carry as the only option.
4. If you're in a situation where you must draw, it is sometimes possible that doing so from a concealed location will allow you to get into action first, while open carry draws are obvious.
PrinceofWands
Lifer
While concealed carry is a state issue, the supreme court has upheld that the right to carry a firearm is an individual right, and NOT reserved only to militia groups, etc.
PrinceofWands
Lifer
Personal pet peeve. YES I DO.
As a soon-to-be teacher I am deeply hurt and offended that my right to carry is removed when I walk into my job each day.
I'm expected to keep your children safe, but I am ABSOLUTELY PROHIBITED from effectively doing so. When little Billy decides to bring in his daddy's gun and kill you daughter because she wouldn't go to the prom with him, there's nothing I can do. Nothing. I'll watch her die. If you'd let the trained professionals do their jobs (ie let me carry) at least your kids would have a CHANCE to live.
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