Wisconsin Gov. vetoes concealed carry bill

[BlancoNino]

http://www.wisgov.state.wi.us/journal_media_detail.asp?locid=19&prid=1658

?I am proud to stand with the overwhelming majority of law enforcement throughout Wisconsin who oppose this legislation. This bill would allow loaded, hidden guns at shopping malls, concerts, banks, playgrounds, and even school zones, putting our kids and communities at risk.

?The bill does not create a single job, help a single Wisconsin citizen afford health care, or improve schools for a single Wisconsin child. The Legislature should spend more time trying to get jobs into our communities instead of more guns. It is time for them to start addressing the priorities of hardworking Wisconsin families ? like making heath care and heating bills more affordable, ensuring every student who is willing to work for it can attend college, and creating good, family-supporting jobs.?

What a joke, especially the second paragraph. Way to infringe on civil rights'.

 

[walkur]

All I can say is :thumbsup:


Let the complaining begin...

 

[BlancoNino]

Since when is it the governments job to help citizens afford health care of create jobs?

Responsible civilians should be legally allowed to carry concealed weapons (with a permit) anywhere they want. The fact that he vetoed this bill doesn't didn't help create jobs either. What a moron.

 

[tec699]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Since when is it the governments job to help citizens afford health care of create jobs?

Responsible civilians should be legally allowed to carry concealed weapons (with a permit) anywhere they want. The fact that he vetoed this bill doesn't didn't help create jobs either. What a moron.

Just like the a**hole in NY who this past week took a high powered sub machine gun and started to spray NY cops. Yea, we need more weapons.

I don't but this amendment crap that gives us the right to bear arms.

1) Do you really think a militia (aka, hicks) will stand a chance against the US government. Before you guys rally the troops you'll all be dead.

2) Why do we need to hunt for food anymore? The last time I looked it was the year 2005 and not 1805. If I'm in the mood for meat I'll do the civilized thing and buy it at the local supermarket.

3) If we have an over population of dear then let the Government handle it.

4) Laws need to be more stricter. If you're caught with a gun you will spend life in jail without parole. The US government should be able to storm any home they see fit and seize any weapon that could possibly cause harm to any citizen.

Well that's it. The NY incident was a disgrace. This thug also shot up a diner a few years ago because he was told to put out his cigarette and he got pissed and wanted revenge.

Why was he allowed to purchase such a weapon? The NRA will tell you that it's his right to bear arms. That it's ok for someone for him to own an UZI.

Get the guns out of this country!

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Since when is it the governments job to help citizens afford health care of create jobs?

Responsible civilians should be legally allowed to carry concealed weapons (with a permit) anywhere they want. The fact that he vetoed this bill doesn't didn't help create jobs either. What a moron.

Just like the a**hole in NY who this past week took a high powered sub machine gun and started to spray NY cops. Yea, we need more weapons.

I don't but this amendment crap that gives us the right to bear arms.

1) Do you really think a militia (aka, hicks) will stand a chance against the US government. Before you guys rally the troops you'll all be dead.

2) Why do we need to hunt for food anymore? The last time I looked it was the year 2005 and not 1805. If I'm in the mood for meat I'll do the civilized thing and buy it at the local supermarket.

3) If we have an over population of dear then let the Government handle it.

4) Laws need to be more stricter. If you're caught with a gun you will spend life in jail without parole. The US government should be able to storm any home they see fit and seize any weapon that could possibly cause harm to any citizen.

Well that's it. The NY incident was a disgrace. This thug also shot up a diner a few years ago because he was told to put out his cigarette and he got pissed and wanted revenge.

Why was he allowed to purchase such a weapon? The NRA will tell you that it's his right to bear arms. That it's ok for someone for him to own an UZI.

Get the guns out of this country!

I can't tell if you are joking or not, but I've been wrong before.

 

[OdiN]

Ya know..if I want to be able to carry a handgun around then I should have that right. I don't think just anyone should be able to get a CC but if one is a responsible citizen then it should be allowed.

I think that there should be very strict qualifications and plenty of training and classes and tests to pass though to ensure that someone knew their weapon and knew the laws regarding it's use.

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: OdiN
Ya know..if I want to be able to carry a handgun around then I should have that right. I don't think just anyone should be able to get a CC but if one is a responsible citizen then it should be allowed.

I think that there should be very strict qualifications and plenty of training and classes and tests to pass though to ensure that someone knew their weapon and knew the laws regarding it's use.

That's how the law is now for CCW permits. Unfortunately, anti-gun nuts can't grasp the fact that concealed carry laws do nothing to help criminals get guns, and do everything to prevent them from using guns.

 

[Specop 007]

Piss on him. Heres to hoping the Federal CCW is passed.

AND heres to hoping his ass is voted OUT next time around.

 

[jrenz]

On a similar note, Blagojavich (Illinois) is trying to pass a state-wide Assault weapon ban similar to the federal ban which recently expired. Fortunately, gun-loving, CCW, Good-old-boys Indiana is just a few miles away.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: OdiN
Ya know..if I want to be able to carry a handgun around then I should have that right. I don't think just anyone should be able to get a CC but if one is a responsible citizen then it should be allowed.

I think that there should be very strict qualifications and plenty of training and classes and tests to pass though to ensure that someone knew their weapon and knew the laws regarding it's use.

That's how the law is now for CCW permits. Unfortunately, anti-gun nuts can't grasp the fact that concealed carry laws do nothing to help criminals get guns, and do everything to prevent them from using guns.

I'm not sure how much qualification and all you have to do for current CCW's. They need to be able to hit their target very well IMO. From what I've heard, it could use some stricter guidelines, but I'm not sure exactly what you have to do so...

But the whole anti-gun thing just removes the guns from the law-abiding citizens so that the criminals who already illegaly have them still have them.

Besides...if a criminal is going to carry a gun concealed....he's going to do it without a permit anyway.

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: OdiN
Ya know..if I want to be able to carry a handgun around then I should have that right. I don't think just anyone should be able to get a CC but if one is a responsible citizen then it should be allowed.

I think that there should be very strict qualifications and plenty of training and classes and tests to pass though to ensure that someone knew their weapon and knew the laws regarding it's use.

That's how the law is now for CCW permits. Unfortunately, anti-gun nuts can't grasp the fact that concealed carry laws do nothing to help criminals get guns, and do everything to prevent them from using guns.

I'm not sure how much qualification and all you have to do for current CCW's. They need to be able to hit their target very well IMO. From what I've heard, it could use some stricter guidelines, but I'm not sure exactly what you have to do so...

But the whole anti-gun thing just removes the guns from the law-abiding citizens so that the criminals who already illegaly have them still have them.

Besides...if a criminal is going to carry a gun concealed....he's going to do it without a permit anyway.

Exactly. I wonder if that guy in NY tried to get a permit for his *illegal* UZI.

 

[Meuge]

Frankly, I'm for CC permits. But there should be exquisitely strict background checks and at least a 1-year waiting period. Only low-capacity handguns should be allowed... no assault weapons.

Long guns shouldn't be less regulated than hanguns, the way they are now, but perhaps the waiting period for a license can be reduced to 6 months.

Obviously conviction for any violent crime, be it felony or misdemeanor, should automatically invalidate a person's right to own a gun.

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: Meuge
Frankly, I'm for CC permits. But there should be exquisitely strict background checks and at least a 1-year waiting period. Only low-capacity handguns should be allowed... no assault weapons.

Long guns shouldn't be less regulated than hanguns, the way they are now, but perhaps the waiting period for a license can be reduced to 6 months.

Obviously conviction for any violent crime, be it felony or misdemeanor, should automatically invalidate a person's right to own a gun.

What would a 6 month - 1 year waiting period accomplish? And as it is, felonies do invalidate a person's right to carry a firearm. Misdemeanor's do not, and rightly so I beleive, as misdemeanors do not necessarily make somebody a threat. Treating issues like this on a case by case basis rather than making general regulations may be the best course.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Meuge
Frankly, I'm for CC permits. But there should be exquisitely strict background checks and at least a 1-year waiting period. Only low-capacity handguns should be allowed... no assault weapons.

Long guns shouldn't be less regulated than hanguns, the way they are now, but perhaps the waiting period for a license can be reduced to 6 months.

Obviously conviction for any violent crime, be it felony or misdemeanor, should automatically invalidate a person's right to own a gun.

What would a 6 month - 1 year waiting period accomplish? And as it is, felonies do invalidate a person's right to carry a firearm. Misdemeanor's do not, and rightly so I beleive, as misdemeanors do not necessarily make somebody a threat. Treating issues like this on a case by case basis rather than making general regulations may be the best course.

Well, waiting periods ensure that a person is not purchasing a firearm with specific violent intentions in mind.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Meuge
Frankly, I'm for CC permits. But there should be exquisitely strict background checks and at least a 1-year waiting period. Only low-capacity handguns should be allowed... no assault weapons.

Long guns shouldn't be less regulated than hanguns, the way they are now, but perhaps the waiting period for a license can be reduced to 6 months.

Obviously conviction for any violent crime, be it felony or misdemeanor, should automatically invalidate a person's right to own a gun.

Why should a felony conviction invalidate the right to keep and bear arms?
Why should LAW ABIDING citizens have a waiting period?
Assualt weapons cant be concealed carry, why did you even mention it? And there is no such thing as an assault pistol. Do you really understand guns, or are you using knee jerk reactions here?
Whats a low capacity handgun? 1 round? 6? 10? 15?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Meuge
Frankly, I'm for CC permits. But there should be exquisitely strict background checks and at least a 1-year waiting period. Only low-capacity handguns should be allowed... no assault weapons.

Long guns shouldn't be less regulated than hanguns, the way they are now, but perhaps the waiting period for a license can be reduced to 6 months.

Obviously conviction for any violent crime, be it felony or misdemeanor, should automatically invalidate a person's right to own a gun.

What would a 6 month - 1 year waiting period accomplish? And as it is, felonies do invalidate a person's right to carry a firearm. Misdemeanor's do not, and rightly so I beleive, as misdemeanors do not necessarily make somebody a threat. Treating issues like this on a case by case basis rather than making general regulations may be the best course.

Well, waiting periods ensure that a person is not purchasing a firearm with specific violent intentions in mind.

And what about the suddenly divorced ex-wife who fears for her life because her ex husband made threats on her life? Do you really think a peice of paper known as a restraining order will honestly protect her?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Since when is it the governments job to help citizens afford health care of create jobs?

Responsible civilians should be legally allowed to carry concealed weapons (with a permit) anywhere they want. The fact that he vetoed this bill doesn't didn't help create jobs either. What a moron.

Just like the a**hole in NY who this past week took a high powered sub machine gun and started to spray NY cops. Yea, we need more weapons.

I don't but this amendment crap that gives us the right to bear arms.

1) Do you really think a militia (aka, hicks) will stand a chance against the US government. Before you guys rally the troops you'll all be dead.

2) Why do we need to hunt for food anymore? The last time I looked it was the year 2005 and not 1805. If I'm in the mood for meat I'll do the civilized thing and buy it at the local supermarket.

3) If we have an over population of dear then let the Government handle it.

4) Laws need to be more stricter. If you're caught with a gun you will spend life in jail without parole. The US government should be able to storm any home they see fit and seize any weapon that could possibly cause harm to any citizen.

Well that's it. The NY incident was a disgrace. This thug also shot up a diner a few years ago because he was told to put out his cigarette and he got pissed and wanted revenge.

Why was he allowed to purchase such a weapon? The NRA will tell you that it's his right to bear arms. That it's ok for someone for him to own an UZI.

Get the guns out of this country!

Wouldnt it just be easier to make crime illegal? Or would you prefer we just scrap all our founding documents and have no gaurenteed freedoms? Personally, I think they should make crime illegal. That'll stop those criminals.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Meuge
Frankly, I'm for CC permits. But there should be exquisitely strict background checks and at least a 1-year waiting period. Only low-capacity handguns should be allowed... no assault weapons.

Long guns shouldn't be less regulated than hanguns, the way they are now, but perhaps the waiting period for a license can be reduced to 6 months.

Obviously conviction for any violent crime, be it felony or misdemeanor, should automatically invalidate a person's right to own a gun.

Why should a felony conviction invalidate the right to keep and bear arms?

I said a "violent felony". If you don't think a violent crime should invalidate a person's right to have a weapon, I have nothing further to say to you.

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Why should LAW ABIDING citizens have a waiting period?

Because I don't mind waiting, but if someone who currently doesn't own a weapon NEEDS IT TODAY, there is something wrong.

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Assualt weapons cant be concealed carry, why did you even mention it? And there is no such thing as an assault pistol. Do you really understand guns, or are you using knee jerk reactions here?

Have you ever seen a micro-uzi, or a Mac10, or an MP5K, or Groza, or a Glock 17 w. 30-round mag. etc... etc... etc...

I think you're the one who doesn't understand weapons.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Meuge
Frankly, I'm for CC permits. But there should be exquisitely strict background checks and at least a 1-year waiting period. Only low-capacity handguns should be allowed... no assault weapons.

Long guns shouldn't be less regulated than hanguns, the way they are now, but perhaps the waiting period for a license can be reduced to 6 months.

Obviously conviction for any violent crime, be it felony or misdemeanor, should automatically invalidate a person's right to own a gun.

What would a 6 month - 1 year waiting period accomplish? And as it is, felonies do invalidate a person's right to carry a firearm. Misdemeanor's do not, and rightly so I beleive, as misdemeanors do not necessarily make somebody a threat. Treating issues like this on a case by case basis rather than making general regulations may be the best course.

Well, waiting periods ensure that a person is not purchasing a firearm with specific violent intentions in mind.

And what about the suddenly divorced ex-wife who fears for her life because her ex husband made threats on her life? Do you really think a peice of paper known as a restraining order will honestly protect her?

That's a moot point. Even now a person who can show a reasonable fear for their life because of a specific threat or because they carry large quantities of cash, can get a CC license.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Meuge
Frankly, I'm for CC permits. But there should be exquisitely strict background checks and at least a 1-year waiting period. Only low-capacity handguns should be allowed... no assault weapons.

Long guns shouldn't be less regulated than hanguns, the way they are now, but perhaps the waiting period for a license can be reduced to 6 months.

Obviously conviction for any violent crime, be it felony or misdemeanor, should automatically invalidate a person's right to own a gun.

What would a 6 month - 1 year waiting period accomplish? And as it is, felonies do invalidate a person's right to carry a firearm. Misdemeanor's do not, and rightly so I beleive, as misdemeanors do not necessarily make somebody a threat. Treating issues like this on a case by case basis rather than making general regulations may be the best course.

Well, waiting periods ensure that a person is not purchasing a firearm with specific violent intentions in mind.

And what about the suddenly divorced ex-wife who fears for her life because her ex husband made threats on her life? Do you really think a peice of paper known as a restraining order will honestly protect her?

That's a moot point. Even now a person who can show a reasonable fear for their life because of a specific threat or because they carry large quantities of cash, can get a CC license.

ABSOLUTELY FALSE.

Brush up on your gun laws, please.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Meuge
Frankly, I'm for CC permits. But there should be exquisitely strict background checks and at least a 1-year waiting period. Only low-capacity handguns should be allowed... no assault weapons.

Long guns shouldn't be less regulated than hanguns, the way they are now, but perhaps the waiting period for a license can be reduced to 6 months.

Obviously conviction for any violent crime, be it felony or misdemeanor, should automatically invalidate a person's right to own a gun.

What would a 6 month - 1 year waiting period accomplish? And as it is, felonies do invalidate a person's right to carry a firearm. Misdemeanor's do not, and rightly so I beleive, as misdemeanors do not necessarily make somebody a threat. Treating issues like this on a case by case basis rather than making general regulations may be the best course.

Well, waiting periods ensure that a person is not purchasing a firearm with specific violent intentions in mind.

And what about the suddenly divorced ex-wife who fears for her life because her ex husband made threats on her life? Do you really think a peice of paper known as a restraining order will honestly protect her?

That's a moot point. Even now a person who can show a reasonable fear for their life because of a specific threat or because they carry large quantities of cash, can get a CC license.

ABSOLUTELY FALSE.

Brush up on your gun laws, please.

Nope, now you're inventing ******.

Here in NY, where it's nearly impossible to get a CC license, you can still get one if you show a reasonable fear for your life. Considering that I love guns, and am now waiting for a regular target-shooting permit, I can assure you I know the law well.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Meuge
Frankly, I'm for CC permits. But there should be exquisitely strict background checks and at least a 1-year waiting period. Only low-capacity handguns should be allowed... no assault weapons.

Long guns shouldn't be less regulated than hanguns, the way they are now, but perhaps the waiting period for a license can be reduced to 6 months.

Obviously conviction for any violent crime, be it felony or misdemeanor, should automatically invalidate a person's right to own a gun.

Why should a felony conviction invalidate the right to keep and bear arms?

I said a "violent felony". If you don't think a violent crime should invalidate a person's right to have a weapon, I have nothing further to say to you.

Your jumping to conclusions. Slow down son.
My point is, if someone is determined to be safe enough to return to the public, why arent they safe enough to own a gun? Maybe, if they still pose a danger to society, they shouldnt be walking around in the first place!

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Why should LAW ABIDING citizens have a waiting period?

Because I don't mind waiting, but if someone who currently doesn't own a weapon NEEDS IT TODAY, there is something wrong.

Like a woman who suddenly has her husband threaten her life? You dont think she NEEDS a gun TODAY?

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Assualt weapons cant be concealed carry, why did you even mention it? And there is no such thing as an assault pistol. Do you really understand guns, or are you using knee jerk reactions here?

Have you ever seen a micro-uzi, or a Mac10, or an MP5K, or Groza, or a Glock 17 w. 30-round mag. etc... etc... etc...

I think you're the one who doesn't understand weapons.

None of those listed are assault weapons. There all semi auto firearms. Additionally, if you think for even a minute you can carry a MP5 concealed...well...... Keep dreaming. I have to assume you personally have never concealed carry have you? Even a full frame pistol is tough enough to conceal, unless its winter time.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Meuge
Nope, now you're inventing ******.

Here in NY, where it's nearly impossible to get a CC license, you can still get one if you show a reasonable fear for your life. Considering that I love guns, and am now waiting for a regular target-shooting permit, I can assure you I know the law well.

I can assure you you do NOT.
Try it.

In fact, there was a case just a few weeks ago of a woman in Kalifornia who was tried for having an illegal CC pistol. Why? her husband had threatened to kill her, she was in fear of her life, and she could NOT get a CCW permit.
Her choise? Become a potential victim or break the law.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Meuge
Frankly, I'm for CC permits. But there should be exquisitely strict background checks and at least a 1-year waiting period. Only low-capacity handguns should be allowed... no assault weapons.

Long guns shouldn't be less regulated than hanguns, the way they are now, but perhaps the waiting period for a license can be reduced to 6 months.

Obviously conviction for any violent crime, be it felony or misdemeanor, should automatically invalidate a person's right to own a gun.

Why should a felony conviction invalidate the right to keep and bear arms?

I said a "violent felony". If you don't think a violent crime should invalidate a person's right to have a weapon, I have nothing further to say to you.

Your jumping to conclusions. Slow down son.
My point is, if someone is determined to be safe enough to return to the public, why arent they safe enough to own a gun? Maybe, if they still pose a danger to society, they shouldnt be walking around in the first place!

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Why should LAW ABIDING citizens have a waiting period?

Because I don't mind waiting, but if someone who currently doesn't own a weapon NEEDS IT TODAY, there is something wrong.

Like a woman who suddenly has her husband threaten her life? You dont think she NEEDS a gun TODAY?

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Assualt weapons cant be concealed carry, why did you even mention it? And there is no such thing as an assault pistol. Do you really understand guns, or are you using knee jerk reactions here?

Have you ever seen a micro-uzi, or a Mac10, or an MP5K, or Groza, or a Glock 17 w. 30-round mag. etc... etc... etc...

I think you're the one who doesn't understand weapons.

None of those listed are assault weapons. There all semi auto firearms.

Actually they are all full-auto firearms.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Meuge
Frankly, I'm for CC permits. But there should be exquisitely strict background checks and at least a 1-year waiting period. Only low-capacity handguns should be allowed... no assault weapons.

Long guns shouldn't be less regulated than hanguns, the way they are now, but perhaps the waiting period for a license can be reduced to 6 months.

Obviously conviction for any violent crime, be it felony or misdemeanor, should automatically invalidate a person's right to own a gun.

Why should a felony conviction invalidate the right to keep and bear arms?

I said a "violent felony". If you don't think a violent crime should invalidate a person's right to have a weapon, I have nothing further to say to you.

Your jumping to conclusions. Slow down son.
My point is, if someone is determined to be safe enough to return to the public, why arent they safe enough to own a gun? Maybe, if they still pose a danger to society, they shouldnt be walking around in the first place!

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Why should LAW ABIDING citizens have a waiting period?

Because I don't mind waiting, but if someone who currently doesn't own a weapon NEEDS IT TODAY, there is something wrong.

Like a woman who suddenly has her husband threaten her life? You dont think she NEEDS a gun TODAY?

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Assualt weapons cant be concealed carry, why did you even mention it? And there is no such thing as an assault pistol. Do you really understand guns, or are you using knee jerk reactions here?

Have you ever seen a micro-uzi, or a Mac10, or an MP5K, or Groza, or a Glock 17 w. 30-round mag. etc... etc... etc...

I think you're the one who doesn't understand weapons.

None of those listed are assault weapons. There all semi auto firearms. Additionally, if you think for even a minute you can carry a MP5 concealed...well...... Keep dreaming. I have to assume you personally have never concealed carry have you? Even a full frame pistol is tough enough to conceal, unless its winter time.

LOL....the 30 round mags sticking out is usually a dead giveaway.