Wisconsin Gov. vetoes concealed carry bill

[Meuge]

I am not in California, thus I am not familiar with California gun laws. Considering that we are so happy having 51 bureacracies where 1 would suffice, I am not surprised that the system doesn't work well.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Meuge
Frankly, I'm for CC permits. But there should be exquisitely strict background checks and at least a 1-year waiting period. Only low-capacity handguns should be allowed... no assault weapons.

Long guns shouldn't be less regulated than hanguns, the way they are now, but perhaps the waiting period for a license can be reduced to 6 months.

Obviously conviction for any violent crime, be it felony or misdemeanor, should automatically invalidate a person's right to own a gun.

Why should a felony conviction invalidate the right to keep and bear arms?

I said a "violent felony". If you don't think a violent crime should invalidate a person's right to have a weapon, I have nothing further to say to you.

Your jumping to conclusions. Slow down son.
My point is, if someone is determined to be safe enough to return to the public, why arent they safe enough to own a gun? Maybe, if they still pose a danger to society, they shouldnt be walking around in the first place!

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Why should LAW ABIDING citizens have a waiting period?

Because I don't mind waiting, but if someone who currently doesn't own a weapon NEEDS IT TODAY, there is something wrong.

Like a woman who suddenly has her husband threaten her life? You dont think she NEEDS a gun TODAY?

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Assualt weapons cant be concealed carry, why did you even mention it? And there is no such thing as an assault pistol. Do you really understand guns, or are you using knee jerk reactions here?

Have you ever seen a micro-uzi, or a Mac10, or an MP5K, or Groza, or a Glock 17 w. 30-round mag. etc... etc... etc...

I think you're the one who doesn't understand weapons.

None of those listed are assault weapons. There all semi auto firearms.

Actually they are all full-auto firearms.

The day you can prove someone uses a NFA weapon for CC I'll eat my hat.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Actually they are all full-auto firearms.

YTou obviously dont know what your talking about then.

None of those are available in under...ohhh..a month. And even then, not ONE of them can be had for less then ohhhh.....5 grand, give or take. The Uzi will run you around 7 grand, the MP5 over 15k.

I rest my case. Your making up ridiculous cases, allowing your emotions to overrule common sense.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Meuge
I am not in California, thus I am not familiar with California gun laws. Considering that we are so happy having 51 bureacracies where 1 would suffice, I am not surprised that the system doesn't work well.

Fair enough.
But as a test, you should try getting a CCW in NYC. Go ahead, stroll into the police station and make up the most ridiculous sotry you can think of. I'll bet you 10 bucks, right now, you dont get approved for a NYC CCW permit.

 

[thraashman]

I think the whole concept behind concealed carry is to do something bad. If you have a legal permit to carry a gun and do not intend on using for illegal purposes, why do you need to conceal it? Gun nuts in my opinion need to seek out psychological help because they're far too itchy for the chance to end someone's life in a way they can justify to themselves.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: K1052
The day you can prove someone uses a NFA weapon for CC I'll eat my hat.

It's not a fair deal. Considering that many bodyguard firms will have their agents carry high capacity full-auto pistols and miniature submachine guns.

Eat your hat.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: thraashman
I think the whole concept behind concealed carry is to do something bad. If you have a legal permit to carry a gun and do not intend on using for illegal purposes, why do you need to conceal it? Gun nuts in my opinion need to seek out psychological help because they're far too itchy for the chance to end someone's life in a way they can justify to themselves.

I too would prefer open carry to conceal carry.

As it stands, the bleating sheep in this country get scared at the sight of guns so its best to keep them concealed.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Meuge
I am not in California, thus I am not familiar with California gun laws. Considering that we are so happy having 51 bureacracies where 1 would suffice, I am not surprised that the system doesn't work well.

Fair enough.
But as a test, you should try getting a CCW in NYC. Go ahead, stroll into the police station and make up the most ridiculous sotry you can think of. I'll bet you 10 bucks, right now, you dont get approved for a NYC CCW permit.

Geez, thanks. I'll go make up a story now. :roll:
If I could do that, then the system doesn't work.

I do know people who own businesses who have gotten their CCW without an issue.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: K1052
The day you can prove someone uses a NFA weapon for CC I'll eat my hat.

It's not a fair deal. Considering that many bodyguard firms will have their agents carry high capacity full-auto pistols and miniature submachine guns.

Eat your hat.

They can only carry while on the job, your point is invalid.

We're talking about civilian CCW permits, not job related carry.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Meuge
I am not in California, thus I am not familiar with California gun laws. Considering that we are so happy having 51 bureacracies where 1 would suffice, I am not surprised that the system doesn't work well.

Fair enough.
But as a test, you should try getting a CCW in NYC. Go ahead, stroll into the police station and make up the most ridiculous sotry you can think of. I'll bet you 10 bucks, right now, you dont get approved for a NYC CCW permit.

Geez, thanks. I'll go make up a story now. :roll:
If I could do that, then the system doesn't work.

I do know people who own businesses who have gotten their CCW without an issue.

In NYC?

And you never did mention about the "assault weapons" you listed being semi auto weapons. You cant just go buy a NFA weapon. And trust me, you dont drop 5 grand on a gun just to go shoot up a mall with it.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: K1052
The day you can prove someone uses a NFA weapon for CC I'll eat my hat.

It's not a fair deal. Considering that many bodyguard firms will have their agents carry high capacity full-auto pistols and miniature submachine guns.

Eat your hat.

Full auto pistols are very inaccurate because they are difficult to control. Real professionals don?t carry them, regardless of what you have seen in the movies. (not to mention the legal difficulties of having full auto weapons for such a use)

Even a small SMG is very hard (read impossible) to conceal in all but the heaviest winter clothing.

You haven't proved jack.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Lots of mudslinging here - there is no way the 2nd amendment can be construed to protect CC rights. Absolutely no way at all.

To me, CC permits infringe on the rights of private property owners to keep guns off their property.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Lots of mudslinging here - there is no way the 2nd amendment can be construed to protect CC rights. Absolutely no way at all.

To me, CC permits infringe on the rights of private property owners to keep guns off their property.

If the private property owners post that concealed weapons are not allowed you can't legally go on their property. This his how the law works in most states, IIRC.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Lots of mudslinging here - there is no way the 2nd amendment can be construed to protect CC rights. Absolutely no way at all.

To me, CC permits infringe on the rights of private property owners to keep guns off their property.

So post signs that CCW is not allowed. Duh.

 

[MiniDoom]

Originally posted by: K1052

The day you can prove someone uses a NFA weapon for CC I'll eat my hat.

I probably could conceal my AR15 pistol if I used a 10 round magazine. It would be silly I suppose.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: rdubbz420

Originally posted by: K1052

The day you can prove someone uses a NFA weapon for CC I'll eat my hat.

I probably could conceal my AR15 pistol if I used a 10 round magazine. It would be silly I suppose.

Unless you are a fairly big guy and have a rather large coat handy it would still be pretty obvious.

Edit: An AR15 pistol is not a NFA weapon anyway.

 

[MiniDoom]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: rdubbz420

Originally posted by: K1052

The day you can prove someone uses a NFA weapon for CC I'll eat my hat.

I probably could conceal my AR15 pistol if I used a 10 round magazine. It would be silly I suppose.

Unless you are a fairly big guy and have a rather large coat handy it would still be pretty obvious.

Edit: An AR15 pistol is not a NFA weapon anyway.

yep, silly, obvious, possible and you are correct about the NFA classification (semi auto).

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Since when is it the governments job to help citizens afford health care of create jobs?

Responsible civilians should be legally allowed to carry concealed weapons (with a permit) anywhere they want. The fact that he vetoed this bill doesn't didn't help create jobs either. What a moron.

Just like the a**hole in NY who this past week took a high powered sub machine gun and started to spray NY cops. Yea, we need more weapons.

I don't but this amendment crap that gives us the right to bear arms.

1) Do you really think a militia (aka, hicks) will stand a chance against the US government. Before you guys rally the troops you'll all be dead.

2) Why do we need to hunt for food anymore? The last time I looked it was the year 2005 and not 1805. If I'm in the mood for meat I'll do the civilized thing and buy it at the local supermarket.

3) If we have an over population of dear then let the Government handle it.

4) Laws need to be more stricter. If you're caught with a gun you will spend life in jail without parole. The US government should be able to storm any home they see fit and seize any weapon that could possibly cause harm to any citizen.

Well that's it. The NY incident was a disgrace. This thug also shot up a diner a few years ago because he was told to put out his cigarette and he got pissed and wanted revenge.

Why was he allowed to purchase such a weapon? The NRA will tell you that it's his right to bear arms. That it's ok for someone for him to own an UZI.

Get the guns out of this country!

I'm sure he wouldn't have sprayed an SMG wildly if the ownership of guns were illegal. He certainly wouldn't want to break the law.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: Meuge
Frankly, I'm for CC permits. But there should be exquisitely strict background checks and at least a 1-year waiting period. Only low-capacity handguns should be allowed... no assault weapons.

Long guns shouldn't be less regulated than hanguns, the way they are now, but perhaps the waiting period for a license can be reduced to 6 months.

Obviously conviction for any violent crime, be it felony or misdemeanor, should automatically invalidate a person's right to own a gun.

1 year waiting period? Why?

No Assault weapons period or just and concealed? First, it's pretty tough to conceal an assault rifle, but if you mean assault weapons should be banned altogether, you should take a look at what kinds of firearms people are actually killing others with. Assault rifles are a blast to shoot and are extremely accurate and very popular among enthusiasts. More people are killed with knives by far.

 

[BlancoNino]

For the record, I'd like to mention that we're now discussing my major swing issue. Gun control is easily my biggest swing issue toward conservatives!

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Lots of mudslinging here - there is no way the 2nd amendment can be construed to protect CC rights. Absolutely no way at all.

To me, CC permits infringe on the rights of private property owners to keep guns off their property.

If the private property owners post that concealed weapons are not allowed you can't legally go on their property. This his how the law works in most states, IIRC.

I wonder how closely such a law is followed in establishments that do not search visitors.

More importantly though, the 2nd amendment does not protect CC rights, and can't really be construed as doing so; if I'm 'up' on my American conservative politics, this means the correct answer is 'it's a state issue'.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
http://www.wisgov.state.wi.us/journal_media_detail.asp?locid=19&prid=1658

?I am proud to stand with the overwhelming majority of law enforcement throughout Wisconsin who oppose this legislation. This bill would allow loaded, hidden guns at shopping malls, concerts, banks, playgrounds, and even school zones, putting our kids and communities at risk.

?The bill does not create a single job, help a single Wisconsin citizen afford health care, or improve schools for a single Wisconsin child. The Legislature should spend more time trying to get jobs into our communities instead of more guns. It is time for them to start addressing the priorities of hardworking Wisconsin families ? like making heath care and heating bills more affordable, ensuring every student who is willing to work for it can attend college, and creating good, family-supporting jobs.?

What a joke, especially the second paragraph. Way to infringe on civil rights'.

When cops and gun grabbers start feeling safe without guns, I will. Don't even mention the old saw about cops being targets and, therefore should be able to carry them in their sweat pants. More citizens get killed each year than cops by far!

Actually, I have a CCP and never carry. I can do that here because no one knows who carries and who doesn't.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Lots of mudslinging here - there is no way the 2nd amendment can be construed to protect CC rights. Absolutely no way at all.

To me, CC permits infringe on the rights of private property owners to keep guns off their property.

If the private property owners post that concealed weapons are not allowed you can't legally go on their property. This his how the law works in most states, IIRC.

I wonder how closely such a law is followed in establishments that do not search visitors.

More importantly though, the 2nd amendment does not protect CC rights, and can't really be construed as doing so; if I'm 'up' on my American conservative politics, this means the correct answer is 'it's a state issue'.

Pretty well I should think since if they are caught with one their license would get certainly get pulled and they could face criminal/civil charges.

I don't disagree that the issue of CC should rest with the states. Though, reciprocity should be uniform.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Lots of mudslinging here - there is no way the 2nd amendment can be construed to protect CC rights. Absolutely no way at all.

To me, CC permits infringe on the rights of private property owners to keep guns off their property.

If the private property owners post that concealed weapons are not allowed you can't legally go on their property. This his how the law works in most states, IIRC.

I wonder how closely such a law is followed in establishments that do not search visitors.

More importantly though, the 2nd amendment does not protect CC rights, and can't really be construed as doing so; if I'm 'up' on my American conservative politics, this means the correct answer is 'it's a state issue'.

Pretty well I should think since if they are caught with one their license would get certainly get pulled and they could face criminal/civil charges.

I don't disagree that the issue of CC should rest with the states. Though, reciprocity should be uniform.

Most states that don't allow citizen CC won't allow open carry either.

 

[cliftonite]

good