Wisconsin court upholds voter ID law

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I personally do not think the problem is illegals.

My personal opinion, the root of the problem is a certain demographic who wish to stay under the governments radar. More directly, the welfare / behind on child support / wanted for various warrants / hiding from something group.

What is the main reason for an able bodied adult not to have a government issued id? So the government does not know your address or personal details.

Without an address certain demographics can claim they are homeless. Since they are homeless they are entitled to government benefits.

To make sure the benefits keep rolling in they keep voting democrat.

Fuck you are delusional. You ignore every shred of evidence and just toss out your own inane thought process as factual.

The main reason for not having a current government issued PHOTO ID since, again, that is what voting ID is many people simply don't need one.
 
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I personally do not think the problem is illegals.

My personal opinion, the root of the problem is a certain demographic who wish to stay under the governments radar. More directly, the welfare / behind on child support / wanted for various warrants / hiding from something group.

What is the main reason for an able bodied adult not to have a government issued id? So the government does not know your address or personal details.

That group you listed is all legally allowed to vote. You don't get to unilaterally disenfranchise them because you don't agree with how they're living their life. I mean, that's your argument; I don't like these people, therefore I'm OK with making it harder for them to exercise their rights. You have got to be trolling with this horse shit.
 

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Fuck you are delusional. You ignore every shred of evidence and just toss out your own inane thought process as factual.

The main reason for not having a current government issued PHOTO ID since, again, that is what voting ID is many people simply don't need one.

You lack life experience and you call me delusional?

Tell you what, every month your local courts have certain days when child support hearings are held. Go to one of those courts and sit in the back row. Pay attention to how many names are called and nobody stands up.

Or, sit in the hall and listen to the court appointed attorneys telling the parents how the baby daddy or momma could not be found.
 

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You have got to be trolling with this horse shit.

See my above post about child support.

Are you going to deny people do not want ids so they can hide from the government?

Tell me how people hide from the government for decades? How does someone build up $100k in child support and not get arrested? Because we make it easy for people to hide.
 
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See my above post about child support.

Are you going to deny people do not want ids so they can hide from the government?

Tell me how people hide from the government for decades? How does someone build up $100k in child support and not get arrested? Because we make it easy for people to hide.

#truthiness
 
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You lack life experience and you call me delusional?

Tell you what, every month your local courts have certain days when child support hearings are held. Go to one of those courts and sit in the back row. Pay attention to how many names are called and nobody stands up.

Or, sit in the hall and listen to the court appointed attorneys telling the parents how the baby daddy or momma could not be found.

This right here illustrates your entire problem. You assume you know everything about everyone. Their motivations, their intentions and desires.


You know Jack shit about my experiences. But I feel very confident that my exposure and experiences with the criminal and judicial system vastly exceeds yours.
 
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You lack life experience and you call me delusional?

Tell you what, every month your local courts have certain days when child support hearings are held. Go to one of those courts and sit in the back row. Pay attention to how many names are called and nobody stands up.

Or, sit in the hall and listen to the court appointed attorneys telling the parents how the baby daddy or momma could not be found.

Local man who frequently declares his outrage over being forced to pay child support speaks out in favor of disenfranchising deadbeats who managed to game the system he couldn't.
 
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Please explain in detail how you handle people with no id.




You deny people hide from the government?

I don't. I have no cause to any more. But I'm not the one who claimed hiding from the government was the main reason someone doesn't have the ID valid for voting. Which is what this thread is about.

How about you evidence that claim sparky?
 

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I don't. I have no cause to any more. But I'm not the one who claimed hiding from the government was the main reason someone doesn't have the ID valid for voting. Which is what this thread is about.

How about you evidence that claim sparky?

You refuse to discuss how to deal with people who have no id, but expect the local county clerk to deal with them?
 
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You refuse to discuss how to deal with people who have no id, but expect the local county clerk to deal with them?

Again. We are discussing voting. People register to vote. Not a good way to hide from the government. You've conflated the issue through this entire thread and refused to talk about the ID necessary to vote while throwing out things that have nothing to do with voting identification.

There are ample ways to identify yourself without a current government issu d photo ID as evidenced by the fact that every government franchise from social security to Medicare etc... offer alternative methods of identification.

Again, evidence your claim that the main reason people don't have the ID sufficient to vote are hiding from the government. Try to do so while staying within the topic of ID sufficient to vote.

Even better. Show me the training poll workers get to distinguish between real and fake ID and their proficiency. Texas lawmakers couldn't while defending their own voting ID laws.
 

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You lack life experience and you call me delusional?

Tell you what, every month your local courts have certain days when child support hearings are held. Go to one of those courts and sit in the back row. Pay attention to how many names are called and nobody stands up.

Or, sit in the hall and listen to the court appointed attorneys telling the parents how the baby daddy or momma could not be found.
You continue to babble incoherently. Child support is yet another duhversion that has nothing to do with voting rights or the fact that millions of legitimate American voters do not have the current, state-issued, photo IDs required by most of these voter suppression laws. Fact.

Why do they not have such IDs? Because except for these new voter laws, they didn't need them. Perhaps they are elderly people like both my mother and mother-in-law: long retired, disabled, no longer driving so they let their licenses expire, already have bank accounts, don't fly, and wouldn't get carded even if they did want to buy alcohol. Maybe they're stay-at-home spouses or members of extended families who rely on other family members to do the shopping. Maybe they're very poor and don't drive because they cannot afford a car. Maybe they're students from cities with great public transportation, so they never learned to drive. Maybe they're some hybrid combination of the above. The simple fact is your proclamations about the sort of people who lack IDs are ignorant, bigoted nonsense with no relevance whatsoever to voter legitimacy.

Of course, none of this alters the real point that these suppression laws do far more harm than good. They address a non-problem -- virtually nonexistent in-person voter impersonation -- and disenfranchise millions of legitimate voters. They are all cost and effectively no benefit ... unless your objective is gaming elections by suppressing left-leaning demographics.
 

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If they are going to hide from the government, registering to vote is a really bad way to do that.

No kidding. People who want to hide from the Govt want a fake identity, not no ID. Registering to vote is an unnecessary risk.

TH isn't actually trying to make sense- he's just trying to assert what he believes.

He believes in strict voter ID for no real reason at all. Because he can, and because it dovetails with other things he believes that aren't true, either. It's an interlocking structure of Denial with all too many adherents.
 

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It is a shame that intellectual dishonesty seems to be winning on so many fronts. voter disenfranchisement laws in WI, set up to disadvantage those who are busy, poor, or disorganized. political ads on both sides being constantly full of shit and taking things out of context. 'News' organizations offering purely editorial propaganda, or failing to perform fact checking. sigh. I guess its probably been always a problem, and maybe just not as hidden in todays era?
 
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No kidding. People who want to hide from the Govt want a fake identity, not no ID. Registering to vote is an unnecessary risk.

TH isn't actually trying to make sense- he's just trying to assert what he believes.

He believes in strict voter ID for no real reason at all. Because he can, and because it dovetails with other things he believes that aren't true, either. It's an interlocking structure of Denial with all too many adherents.

His arguments also reek of spite; he's gone off the rails about being forced to pay child support, so when he sees other people shirking on the responsibility that he was forced into? Fuck that! No votes for those guys. Meanwhile he's ranting on and on about people who want to hide from the government apparently deciding the best way to do that is by showing up at voting stations on election day. The stereotype of people who hide from the government are the people on "Doomsday Preppers" who flee into the middle of nowhere to build up bunkers filled with ammo and rations; not exactly a big Democrat voter bloc, that. Certainly not the stereotype he has in mind of people hiding from the government by not showing up to child support hearings. But emotion trumps logic as a general rule; TH just gets emotional about some fairly illogical things.
 

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It is a shame that intellectual dishonesty seems to be winning on so many fronts. voter disenfranchisement laws in WI, set up to disadvantage those who are busy, poor, or disorganized.

Requiring an id to vote discourages people as much as requiring a SS number discourages people from working.

People will be informed of the law and will adjust their behavior as such.
 

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Requiring an id to vote discourages people as much as requiring a SS number discourages people from working.

People will be informed of the law and will adjust their behavior as such.

Circling 'round to re-assert false equivalency.

It's like a broken record, a trained parrot, or a person with dementia reciting the rosary.
 

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Circling 'round to re-assert false equivalency.

It's like a broken record, a trained parrot, or a person with dementia reciting the rosary.

People like you can not think past last week, if you are lucky.

Could you imagine applying for a job, being told about this new law that requires a thing called a SS number. People such as yourself were probably outraged. Whined and complained about your rights, but you got over it.

Here we are decades later and having a SS number is common knowledge.

Give it a couple of years and voter id will be common knowledge.
 
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Requiring an id to vote discourages people as much as requiring a SS number discourages people from working.

People will be informed of the law and will adjust their behavior as such.
Except that a study by the government accountability office has proven you are WRONG

GAO’s evaluation of voter turnout suggests that turnout decreased in two selected states - Kansas and Tennessee - from the 2008 to the 2012 general elections (the two most recent general elections) to a greater extent than turnout decreased in the selected comparison states - Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, and Maine. GAO’s analysis suggests that the turnout decreases in Kansas and Tennessee beyond decreases in the comparison states were attributable to changes in those two states’ voter ID requirements.

And even a a recent opinion by a leading conservative judge, the same judge who in fact originally made a ruling in 2008 to let these laws get enacted, has said these are laws only succeed in disenfranchising and are obviously intended to do such.

You can read that opinion here
 
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Jhhnn

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People like you can not think past last week, if you are lucky.

Could you imagine applying for a job, being told about this new law that requires a thing called a SS number. People such as yourself were probably outraged. Whined and complained about your rights, but you got over it.

Here we are decades later and having a SS number is common knowledge.

Give it a couple of years and voter id will be common knowledge.

I'm going to quote myself, see how many times you can miss the point entirely-

Doesn't matter, because it's false equivalency. Having a SS number makes me eligible for Govt benefits.

Show me the real fraud in "voter fraud" & we can talk, OK?

Until you can do that, there's no way to justify fucking over honest citizens whose ID may not be current when voting. It doesn't matter if they're relatively few in number, because there's no reason for it.

No Reason for it!

What part of that do you fail to comprehend?