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Windows Server 2012 Essentials is RTM.

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Got Essentials loaded up last night; took awhile on my machine. I think the fact that box only has 2GB of RAM is the culprit. While the box was thrashing around configuring this and that, almost the entire 2GB was in use.

It's been awhile since I ran a domain at home. Just easier to not run one at home when you've got guests connecting to shares on your file server and whatnot. Essentials creates a domain right off the bat (I didn't see an option to not create one). I would rather NOT create a domain at home and just use the OS for file/media sharing and backup purposes; though I don't know what features are co-dependent on what other features, if that makes sense.

I was having trouble connecting to my file shares from W7 boxes...I read something about a "Windows 7 connector" in the posts above...I need to read an in-depth guide to configuring 2012 Essentials...I might reload it this weekend.

So far it's weird. Having no Start button and the traditional menu is odd and I'm not digging the Tiles menu thing at all. Nothing is where it's supposed to be. But I must say that right after you login, the server is ready for action. It seems to load everything it needs to as it starts up, before you get to the login screen. Very unlike former MS Server OS's. In use, it's farily speedy running off an old 7200-rpm SATA HD. I bet it would FLY running of a 10K rpm SAS drive or an SSD. 😎

I'm very interested to learn more....a good sign.

I'm probably going to swap out the MB/CPU for a more powerful solution. 2012 is dragging a bit on a 2.1GHz C2D.

Microsoft released a registry tweak so that your clients will not join the domain when installing the connector. you lose some group policy controls but still retain the autobackups and shares which are the main thing.

Start8 among others will get you your start button back and also allows to skip straight to desktop when booting (not that you reboot a server much)
 
Thanks, n0x1ous. That's good info. Autobackups and shares is pretty much all I need. If I wanted a full domain with GPOs I'd run one. Just don't need that at home.

I just need to spend some time reading and playing with the OS to figure things out. Spare time's difficult to come by these days. Thanks again.
 
How does this compare to Nexentastor? I wouldn't mind moving to Windows Server due to support.
 
Microsoft released a registry tweak so that your clients will not join the domain when installing the connector.

Run on each client computer before connecting to the Essentials 2012 server

At an elevated Command prompt type and press Enter:

reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows Server\ClientDeployment" /v SkipDomainJoin /t REG_DWORD /d 1



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Run on each client computer before connecting to the Essentials 2012 server

At an elevated Command prompt type and press Enter:

reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows Server\ClientDeployment" /v SkipDomainJoin /t REG_DWORD /d 1



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Thanks, Jack. Is this just for Win7 clients or does it work for XP too?
 
WS2012E doesn't support XP clients

Ooh...that's good to know; my laptop (netbook) runs XP. 🙁 So by "doesn't support" does that mean that my XP netbook cannot access any shared folder/files on a 2012 box? That doesn't make much sense to me. 😕
 
Ooh...that's good to know; my laptop (netbook) runs XP. 🙁 So by "doesn't support" does that mean that my XP netbook cannot access any shared folder/files on a 2012 box?

Connector on the Client provides.

1. Simple management of the server.

2. Connecting the Networked computers to the server so that they can get backed up automatically.

XP do not support the Connector but it can share like any other Networked computer.

So you need at least one computer with Win 7 or and 8 so you can manage the server from Remote.

The connector will not work XP, but XP can connect and exchange data via the regular sharing system. The server can be used for BackUp XP using some other BackUp program installed on the XP computer (many Backup programs are available for free).

Examples - http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-backup-program



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Thank you for the detailed reply, JackMDS. 🙂 That works for me. I have 3 W7 boxes in my home, so I'm covered AFA management via RDP goes. For my XP netbook I just need to be able to access my shares.
 
I "upgraded" my NAS box hardware to:

Asus P5Q Pro Turbo
Q9550 @ stock 2.8GHz
4GB (2x2GB) RAM
Samsung 470 128GB SSD
7900GTO (the only spare PCI-E GPU I have...might buy a small, cheap card to save electricity $$$))

And I reloaded 2012 Essentials. Compared to the C2D HW/old 7200rpm HD it was on, it FLIES now. I really like the granularity of the settings, and how on the Server Management page, all the objects are clickable links. For some reason the fonts in 2012 look crisper than they do in Win7. The server is very responsive, though I'm sure the SSD has a lot to do with it.

I don't have any 10K RPM SAS drives at home, but I can tell you that if you're running 2012 Essentials on a normal 7200RPM HD you might wind up a bit frustrated. This OS really wants an SSD to run on (IME/IMO). If you're mulling over giving this OS a shot (and it's free for 6 months so why not?), even a cheap SSD will go a long way towards improving your experience.

Over this weekend I will start joining clients to the box, running backups, configuring storage spaces, etc. I'm not yet a fan of the WHS-style "Storage Spaces" that Win8 and Server 2012 have. Being an Enterprise Admin, I'm a firm believer in hardware RAID. There is something comforting about a low-level hardware card controlling your drives, independent of the OS. I'll be setting up a 320GB RAID1 mirror to test out the 2012 "Storage Space Backup" or whatever it's called. I trust a smart OS, but I trust my HW RAID card more. ()🙂

I'm slowly getting used to where things are in 2012; it is weird and a bit frustrating...I find myself pinnning everything to the Desktop once I find it out of fear of not being able to find it again. That's just a familiarity issue, though. So far, I like it.

MS REALLY needs to fix the "If you have an HBA in any of the PCI-E slots Server will not install" problem, however. When reinstalling this OS on my "new" HW, I ran into the same problem as I did on the old HW. 2012 setup sees the SATA/AHCI HD/SSD but gives you the "We could not create a partition or find any others" error until you unplug your HBA, install the OS, then plug the card back in. Sorta inconvenient and NOT acceptable for an Enterprise-level product. Imagine shelling out $4.5K for a copy of 2012 Datacenter and the thing won't install on your $25K quad-socket database monster? D:

But like I said, so far I like it. More to follow.

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I think it's important to say that I can't see myself using Win8 on a daily basis. I do a lot of work on my Win7 desktops at home and at work and I'm used to the traditional Start Menu, where everything is located, etc. Plus, Win7 is a well-supported OS. There are drivers for most devices, my games run on it, etc. For a SERVER though, I'm really digging what MS has done with 2012. Just got to get used to the tiles and stuff.
 
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Technet Question: If I bought a Technet subscription, could I use my Technet Key for 2012 Essentials to activate the Evaluation copy of Essentials that I've already got installed or would I have to wipe/reload? 2012 does have a "Save/Migrate Settings" feature, IIRC...wouldn't be the end of the world.

Thanks in advance for answering this question. 😀
 
You would just change the key and activate it. The evaluation version of Essentials is intended to be quickly & cleanly activated to make field testing easier.
 
You would just change the key and activate it. The evaluation version of Essentials is intended to be quickly & cleanly activated to make field testing easier.

Which is nice unlike WHS V1 evaluation that couldn't be transferred to a permanent license.

Yes I made that mistake...
 
Just a quick note for those considering storage spaces. I set mine up as a parity array using 4 2GB WD Green drives, the parity itself uses about 30% overhead. Writes are extremely slow in parity I think average is 24MB/s although it has spurts and slow downs and is really jerky and awful. Read speeds on the other hand are great has no trouble maxing out my 1gigabit Ethernet on reads. The last thing to note is the server starts whining about low disk space when your drives hit 70% capacity which for me leaves 2TB clear. I happily disabled the nag and went along my way.

The write speed is a nonissue for me other than loading the array it took a loooooong time, but now its 95% read only. It should really have an adaptive capacity notification though, the larger capacity drives you use the more it wants you to keep clear

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Just a quick note for those considering storage spaces. I set mine up as a parity array using 4 2GB WD Green drives, the parity itself uses about 30% overhead. Writes are extremely slow in parity I think average is 24MB/s although it has spurts and slow downs and is really jerky and awful. Read speeds on the other hand are great has no trouble maxing out my 1gigabit Ethernet on reads. The last thing to note is the server starts whining about low disk space when your drives hit 70% capacity which for me leaves 2TB clear. I happily disabled the nag and went along my way.

The write speed is a nonissue for me other than loading the array it took a loooooong time, but now its 95% read only. It should really have an adaptive capacity notification though, the larger capacity drives you use the more it wants you to keep clear

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Thanks for the info, Kingbee13.🙂 Just out of curiosity, what's the CPU in your server? I'm curious as to whether 24MB/sec is a CPU throughput limitation, or if it has something to do with the drives.

Oh, and speaking of overhead, it's probably worth noting that the overhead from parity depends on the number of disks you have. Assuming you have a single drive pool and only have a single parity space across the entire pool, then the overhead is equivalent to the average drive size. You're basically using a drive to hold parity data, regardless of the number of drives in the pool. So the more drives in the pool the smaller the overhead will be on a percentage basis.
 
Thanks for the info, Kingbee13.🙂 Just out of curiosity, what's the CPU in your server? I'm curious as to whether 24MB/sec is a CPU throughput limitation, or if it has something to do with the drives.

Oh, and speaking of overhead, it's probably worth noting that the overhead from parity depends on the number of disks you have. Assuming you have a single drive pool and only have a single parity space across the entire pool, then the overhead is equivalent to the average drive size. You're basically using a drive to hold parity data, regardless of the number of drives in the pool. So the more drives in the pool the smaller the overhead will be on a percentage basis.

That was my initial thought as well but the CPU usage while copying files to the server was pretty low I think about 15% per core, and I'm using my old WHS build with an old core 2 E8400 @3.0ghz, and even then its downclocking to 2.34ghz

Thanks for the info about the parity overhead maybe I'll add a 5th drive to the pool just to shut it up
 
I've logged roughly 8 hours total, checking out Essentials.

I had a heck of a time trying to join my W7 Ult box to the server (but not to the domain). I ran the script that writes the "No join" registry key, but when I tried to join to the server, I got the dreaded "Cannot connect computer to the server message." Took me HOURS to figure it out. Turns out I had to use a "version" of the fix detailed on the MS fix and some other things I found online:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2723674

I had a Pending Reboot process for my Logitech webcam that has been running just fine for 9 month now (no error popups or anything weird in W7). I deleted that "pending reboot" reg key, but rebooting the box (as per the MS instructions) only made the key come back. Fix: Delete the key, close the registry and run the Client Connector software. Success!

Created some shares, set up client backup, etc. So far, so good.

One BIG problem is that my file read speeds from my NAS (same box Essentials runs on) dropped from 60-70MB/s to 10MB/s, no matter the file size or composition. This is dreadful! D: Reboots don't fix it. Write speeds are unchanged....roughly 30MB/s. FYI, my NAS is a 4-drive RAID5 array on a 3Ware 9650SE card. Drivers are loaded for everything, file behavior is normal, etc. There is no changes to the network link speeds on either box: 1GB ethernet. I don't know what's going on and there's not a lot of info on Essentials out there yet.

Something else I found out. I had a failed client backup b/c the client went to sleep and I unchecked the "Wake this client up for backup" box. OK, so I had half a backup (useless). So I just went into the HD that had my client backups and deleted the useless files. Bad move. It broke the whole client/server relationship. I was unable to manually fix the backups so I remvoed the client and am about to readd it. Or try to. More in a little while.
 
Well, I'm back and just this much smarter on Essentials. It's quite granular (as a Server OS should be) but stuff just isn't where you expect it to be or is labeled like you may be used to.

Word to the wise: Do NOT manually delete backups of client PCs, even if they screw up somehow. You will cause yourself a whole world of hurt...assuming your goal is to correctly setup your client PCs for Server Management. Hopefully, this thread will help others in the future.

Manually deleting Client Backups, screws up the HD you designate for those backups, which causes cascading errors in the OS. Not the old-school BSODs you're used to, but the new, fancy-web-interface "This thing isn't running so there" type error messages. You CAN select "Repair Backups"...asssuming that HD still exists. Yeah. I went one step further in my attempt to "clean" the original failed client backups and reformatted that HD. SO THEN, the Windows Server Client Backup Service would Start and immediately stop.

Without that Service running you cannot have ANY client backups. Does't matter if you try and initiate them from the client end or the server end, they will fail. The fix action the OS tells you (it's built in and shows in Server Management) to "Restore Backups." What a nice feature! But that doesn't work if you've already deleted that backup drive. :\ IIRC, I clicked something in the Client Backup screen and selected "Recreate Drive." CAVEAT for that! You MUST have a HD installed, with the SAME drive letter as before. In my case, it was "D" before and after I deleted it, I reformatted/assinged it to "D" just by habit. So, it found the HD, installed about 1GB of "WTF-is-this-crap?" files on there and magically, that Service would start and stay started. Whoa.

Moving along.

Now I still have a W7 Ult PC that used to be joined to the SERVER but NOT the Domain, but now it isn't. OK. Run that client connect wizard again. ARGH. My webcam still has some file that needs a reboot...whatever. Deleted that reg key and ran the connection wizard and...

Congratulations, Mike! Your main/gaming PC is now a Domain Member! 😱 Um, wait...WUT? Remember I said that I ran the "No join the domain script" blah blah? That was the first time. The SECOND time, after I screwed up the backups, and I had to remove the Win7 box from the server, I didn't run that "no join" script again b/c I figured it would be resident...or something.

Ah, no. I wound up joined to the domain. I was mightily pissed off but Essentials is WAY cool. It doesn't screw you up, providing you take the time to READ all the text before clicking "NEXT."

Now, I'm used to joining a Server 2003 Domain, where after joining a pre existing box to the domain, you wind up with an all new Desktop, drive mappings, everything reset etc. Luckily, I checked the box for "Migrate Users/Settings." I got 99% of everything back including my Desktop, Wallpaper, all icons and even CoreTemp, which I have running at Startup. I even got back ALL mapppings to locally-installed HDs and their shares. 😎

Interestingly, I had to re-enter passwords for all my e-mail accounts for Outlook 2003. Don't really get this, but after entering some passwords everything works great.

I ran a BACKUP (the original cause of this issue) and 30 mins later all is well. I even restarted both the server and the client several times just to be sure "everything is sticking." It's all good.

No doubt in my mind I will be buying a license for Essentials. Even this RTM (RC?) is that good.

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After all this, my file "download from server" transfer speeds still suck. Over Gigabit Ethernet, all I get is 10MB/s where I used to get 60+MB/s w/a shared folder under Server 2003. Maybe this is some kind of "proxy issue?" I don't know as I am not a programmer. But MS needs to fix this! A Gigabit ethernet connection attached to a Gibabit SMB Gigabit switch with a whole 6 feet of machine-made Cat5E patch cables CAN BE a whole lot faster than this, as I know for sure b/c it WAS a whole lot faster under Win2K3.
 
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No doubt in my mind I will be buying a license for Essentials. Even this Beta (RC?) is that good.
I thought you were running the trial? Keep in mind there's no upgrade path from the Beta/RC to the RTM version.
 
I thought you were running the trial? Keep in mind there's no upgrade path from the Beta/RC to the RTM version.

Wait...now I'm confused. Possibly I misspoke. I am running the Evaluation Copy, downloaded straight from MS Technet that expires 180 days after you install. It says "Build 9200" in the lower right-hand corner of the desktop. Can I not make this a "normal legal copy" by buying a key when the time comes? Judging by what I've seen so far, I should be able to save settings/use a wizard if I have to load up from scratch. Even if I do, I have 5 PCs and two printers at home...not the end of the world.
 
Wait...now I'm confused. Possibly I misspoke. I am running the Evaluation Copy, downloaded straight from MS Technet that expires 180 days after you install. It says "Build 9200" in the lower right-hand corner of the desktop. Can I not make this a "normal legal copy" by buying a key when the time comes? Judging by what I've seen so far, I should be able to save settings/use a wizard if I have to load up from scratch. Even if I do, I have 5 PCs and two printers at home...not the end of the world.
Okay. That's the RTM version.🙂 I was just afraid you had installed the older Beta or RC.

That was my initial thought as well but the CPU usage while copying files to the server was pretty low I think about 15% per core, and I'm using my old WHS build with an old core 2 E8400 @3.0ghz, and even then its downclocking to 2.34ghz

Thanks for the info about the parity overhead maybe I'll add a 5th drive to the pool just to shut it up
Good to know. I'm still struggling to figure out why parity writes are as slow as they are; if it's not a CPU bottleneck then it seems to me that they should be writing at the speed of the slowest drive. Unless WS2012E is doing a poor job of avoiding skipping around to different slabs.

Oh, and if you do add a 5th drive, keep in mind that W2012E apparently doesn't have an automatic rebalance function. To the best of my knowledge you have to create a new storage space and move all of your data to that space in order to get existing data balanced across all of the drives.:|
 
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*whew* Good to know I'm running the correct copy!

Any ideas why file transfer speeds from the server would drop to 20% of what they were before joining the Domain? Again, I'm running hardware RAID on the 2012 Essentials box for my storage drive, not fakeraid/Storage Spaces. When my NAS was running W2K3 I would get 60-70MB/s read speeds over my Gigabit network. Now I get 10MB/s if I'm lucky. I'm very unhappy with this aspect of this new OS.

Could it have something to do with me just sharing that folder directly from the folder itself, and not using a Storage Space or some other Wizard/feature?
 
Sorry Michael, not a clue. Nothing like that turned up in my testing of the RC.
 
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