Windows 8 Is Not Good For Gamers

[Chrono]

Dunno... I had a n56vz... installed windows 8... worked awesome. Really fast. I do get the whole split personality thing with the windows 8 UI and regular desktop view... kinda strange

Don't knock it until you have tried it. It isn't that bad. Get over it.

 

[Mem]

Ok. got it. YOU didn't have any issues, so therefore it had to be a good platform. Forget about all of the Thousands of other users who had major issues to the point where MS had to go back and rebrand the 'Fixed' version just so it would sell. YOU didn't so therefore it was solid.

And yes, Win7 IS Vista 2.0. Meaning, with all of the crap that was wrong with Vista, Fixed after the 3 year open Beta.

With all due respect there are always people like you ,there are also thousands of people that liked Vista and did not have issues,infact lets be honest here since you can find people with issues with any OS,even the opposite as well,end of the day I gave my honest opinion through my own experience so if you don't like it tough luck.

Just remember members here all have different opinions and just because they may not agree with you means they are wrong.


Getting back on topic Win8 is more of radical change (desktop wise)then any Windows OS Microsoft have released previously,we all know why they did this.

Win8 from my usage on my backup PC is very good on stability,no issues with drivers so far(for me) ,layout is main thing where I ended up making shortcuts on desktop and getting it how I liked it,it was bit more work then what I had to do with Win7,Vista etc...some of it is a learning curve due to the changes.

This is with about 6 months usage with various builds up to RTM.

I still feel Microsoft should of left an option to have a start button on desktop for desktops users,that way the desktop user in question can decide if he wants it enabled or not(sure there are third party options etc... but would of been nice for Microsoft to have done it).
End of the day feedback from public and average joe should be interesting.

Gamers feedback well that should be even more interesting,how many will move to Win8 from 7.

 

[ViRGE]

With all due respect there are always people like you ,there are also thousands of people that liked Vista and did not have issues,infact lets be honest here since you can find people with issues with any OS,even the opposite as well,end of the day I gave my honest opinion through my own experience so if you don't like it tough luck.

Member of the "Vista worked fine for me because I had more than 512MB of RAM" crew checking in.

 

[Mem]

Member of the "Vista worked fine for me because I had more than 512MB of RAM" crew checking in.

Hehe I had 4GB and modern hardware back then ,you know my brother installed Vista on his laptop and had some problems but took me 10 minutes to fix it ,I removed all the bloated crap , half was not 100% compatible with Vista (one was old HP manager software caused havoc in Vista) ,he said "wow why its fast now" ,I told him half the stuff is not Vista compatible and you got a lot of bloat even for 2GB laptop back then.


Ironic really since I got a new Win7 Samsung laptop/notebook (Ivy Bridge,6gb,650m nvidia chip) 3 months ago ,it was a bit slow on booting up,removing all the bloat soon fixed that.
SSDs nowadays help a lot too .

OEM companies love having bloated software on their PCs,shame OS don't like it regardless of what version you use.

 

[Skel]

Member of the "Vista worked fine for me because I had more than 512MB of RAM" crew checking in.

Only issue I had was a 8 year old printer, which I was sad to see go.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Member of the "Vista worked fine for me because I had more than 512MB of RAM" crew checking in.

While I have a Vista machine that I'm completely happy with, I have another with 1GB of RAM that becomes unusable when Windows Update starts installing updates in the background.

 

[BladeVenom]

Member of the "Vista worked fine for me because I had more than 512MB of RAM" crew checking in.

The biggest reason for crashes with Vista was Nvidia drivers.

So after 6 months of driver updates Vista worked fine for me to.

 

[thespyder]

With all due respect there are always people like you ,there are also thousands of people that liked Vista and did not have issues,infact lets be honest here since you can find people with issues with any OS,even the opposite as well,end of the day I gave my honest opinion through my own experience so if you don't like it tough luck.

And with equal respect, there were numerous published issues surrounding stability for Vista at launch and for about the first year and a half afterwards. While this is relatively normal for an MS launch, I think you will find that a lot more people had issue with Vista than with Win7.

It also took YEARS before there were stable drivers for printers on Vista for both newer and older hardware. Developers simply refused to create drivers because the general consensus was that XP was a better platform and that Vista would fail (as ultimately it did, in favor of Win7).

Also, it was widely known that Vista frontloaded a bunch of stuff that ate up memory unnecessarily. I say unnecessarily advisedly as Win7 didn't do the same thing and is basically the same architecture. This meant that, for a 32 bit application which could only ever handle 2 gigs (4? can't remember) of ram, you had to basically HAVE that much ram or you were hosed. Not so with the 64 bit platform, but then again, you had to upgrade your system to run the OS. never a positive sign.

And it was widely known that games, which are notoriously memory heavy, suffered significantly from all of the stuff that was frontloaded. From a strictly gamer perspective, unless you REALLY knew what you were doing and could make Vista do stuff it wasn't intended to do, you were in a world of hurt if you were a gamer. Granted, your average gamer is more tech savvy than your casual PC user, but that doesn't make it any less of an issue.

Didn't you wonder why MS had to force bundle DX10 into Win7? It was for the simple reason that they wanted to force people to adopt to the platform that was generally seen as bad.

So, other than no driver support, significant stability issues from the get go and the fact that significant additional configuration was necessary just to get programs to run properly, you are right. Vista wasn't 'That bad'.

personally, I work on Vista at my job and I have Win7 on my home PC. So I have significant experience on both. After converting to Vista on my work PC, I didn't want to move my Home PC from XP. And didn't until Win7 came out. boy am I glad i didn't. Vista was a Beta. Win7 was the final version and done (mostly) right.

But back on topic, yeah, I really hope that the architecture of Win8 isn't yet another detractor from the classic gaming perspective. I can deal with a different UI. I won't like it, but that isn't a deal breaker for me. But if I can't load some of my favorite classic games like BG and KoTOR and run them on Win8, I won't be upgrading.

 

[ViRGE]

Didn't you wonder why MS had to force bundle DX10 into Win7? It was for the simple reason that they wanted to force people to adopt to the platform that was generally seen as bad.

No. No, no, no.

DX10 was introduced with Vista because Direct3D10 was designed in concert with the Windows Display Driver Model. WDDM brought about a massive change in how Windows interacted with GPUs, how GPU context switching worked, and how GPU resources were allocated. You could not have introduced Direct3D10 on Windows XP without backporting the entire WDDM structure to XP, at which point you're half-way to Vista (with all of the problems that would bring).

The "MS made DX10 Vista-only to force gamers to upgrade" misconception needs to die a fiery death; it's so wrong that it hurts.

 

[Mem]

And with equal respect, there were numerous published issues surrounding stability for Vista at launch and for about the first year and a half afterwards. While this is relatively normal for an MS launch, I think you will find that a lot more people had issue with Vista than with Win7.

It also took YEARS before there were stable drivers for printers on Vista for both newer and older hardware. Developers simply refused to create drivers because the general consensus was that XP was a better platform and that Vista would fail (as ultimately it did, in favor of Win7).

Also, it was widely known that Vista frontloaded a bunch of stuff that ate up memory unnecessarily. I say unnecessarily advisedly as Win7 didn't do the same thing and is basically the same architecture. This meant that, for a 32 bit application which could only ever handle 2 gigs (4? can't remember) of ram, you had to basically HAVE that much ram or you were hosed. Not so with the 64 bit platform, but then again, you had to upgrade your system to run the OS. never a positive sign.

And it was widely known that games, which are notoriously memory heavy, suffered significantly from all of the stuff that was frontloaded. From a strictly gamer perspective, unless you REALLY knew what you were doing and could make Vista do stuff it wasn't intended to do, you were in a world of hurt if you were a gamer. Granted, your average gamer is more tech savvy than your casual PC user, but that doesn't make it any less of an issue.

Didn't you wonder why MS had to force bundle DX10 into Win7? It was for the simple reason that they wanted to force people to adopt to the platform that was generally seen as bad.

So, other than no driver support, significant stability issues from the get go and the fact that significant additional configuration was necessary just to get programs to run properly, you are right. Vista wasn't 'That bad'.

personally, I work on Vista at my job and I have Win7 on my home PC. So I have significant experience on both. After converting to Vista on my work PC, I didn't want to move my Home PC from XP. And didn't until Win7 came out. boy am I glad i didn't. Vista was a Beta. Win7 was the final version and done (mostly) right.

But back on topic, yeah, I really hope that the architecture of Win8 isn't yet another detractor from the classic gaming perspective. I can deal with a different UI. I won't like it, but that isn't a deal breaker for me. But if I can't load some of my favorite classic games like BG and KoTOR and run them on Win8, I won't be upgrading.

Problem with drivers was some companies were just lazy and had nothing to do with holding on to XP(example being Canon had new Vista drivers out for my printer at launch while my brother had to wait for HP printer drivers on Vista),as usual people blamed Vista for lack of drivers by lazy companies.

One thing I do when buying new hardware is go with companies with good driver/customer support because you know when a new OS (regardless of OS in question)is out you are not kept waiting.
Win7 was lucky in some ways because it had Vista drivers as backup and slightly newer faster PC hardware out plus refinement time as well.

Vista being quite a big change from XP in both drivers/security etc led the way towards Win7.
A lot of people were still trying to use old XP spec hardware and incompatible software on Vista and it won't cut it on a new OS that was 6 years after XP release,yes Vista needed more powerful hardware then XP.


ViRGE answered your mistake on DX10,I will say I did a lot of beta games testing for various companies with Vista over 3 year period,never had any Vista issues(I was using 4GB PC back then) unless you count game bugs and lack of driver support in early days.



Win7 is an improvement on Vista to be expected since its based on Vista with a few years to get it polished and refined so you won't get no argument from me there,Vista was still a very good OS especially from SP1 and onwards ,by then good driver support as well , Win7 keeps all the good things Vista has.

Win8 however is stable ,fast but I can't say a real improvement on Win7, I will say it has new features/layout and great for tablet users,gamer/desktop user wise still too early to say.

So lets beg to differ on Vista and look forward to the future.

Win8 is almost the new king on the block,will it pave the way only time will tell.