Windows 8 Is Not Good For Gamers

[thespyder]

You forget consumers like a choice and don't like being forced down a particular road,this is where competitors can benefit if and when Microsoft screw up,in my area I don't know many people with a tablet,smartphones are more popular in my area then tablets ie Android etc....its a bold move by Microsoft trying to blend tablet and desktop interface,obviously its not ideal for those many desktop users out there that have been using Microsoft operating systems for decades,will it hurt Microsoft only time will tell.

So again, I have to really disagree here. Admittedly people like choice. But it is my experience, particularly with larger corporations, that these types of decisions are made at some high level, usually with one guy/gal.

I remember anecdotally a story wherein Morgan Stanley offices were on OS2. One day Bill Gates was in his personal financial officer's office and noticed this. He commented about it and Morgan Stanley switched over to Windows platform.

While this may or may not be true, (it is true that Morgan Stanley is on Windows platform) the fact of the matter is that when an executive makes a decision on these things, it proliferates pretty quickly company wide. And if some sales person is saying "If you convert, we might throw one in for free for you"?

And with tablet technology moving the way that it has been, more and more big corporations are going the way of the smart phone/tablet. It provides increased productivity and allows instant access to tools in ways that even laptops don't.

Now, on lower levels than executives, popularity may not be so hot. But they aren't the ones making the decisions, now are they?

in the end, even if tablets never overtake PCs, the sheer growth of the tablet market at the moment is HUGE. And MS really isn't hurting themselves in hedging their bets merging the two platforms (IMHO).

But none of this speaks to gaming. So long as old and new games run smoothly on Win8 without having to majorly overhaul or configure them, and it isn't a buggy Beta that actually gets released, I have no problems with it. I don't generally use either Steam or Origin. but I do have high expectations that both companies will ensure their continued existence.

 

[Texashiker]

If steam can get ported to linux, I might just switch over.

My home pc is used mainly for games, email and web browsing.

Once you eliminate gaming, there is no need for windows.

 

[Ashenor]

Are there still any deals on win 8 going around?

 

[georgec84]

I'm torn on W8. I acknowledge the criticisms, but I feel like some of them are too alarmist.

I think it's going to be a mixed bag but not the catastrophe some think it will be.

 

[Skel]

So again, I have to really disagree here. Admittedly people like choice. But it is my experience, particularly with larger corporations, that these types of decisions are made at some high level, usually with one guy/gal.

I remember anecdotally a story wherein Morgan Stanley offices were on OS2. One day Bill Gates was in his personal financial officer's office and noticed this. He commented about it and Morgan Stanley switched over to Windows platform.

While this may or may not be true, (it is true that Morgan Stanley is on Windows platform) the fact of the matter is that when an executive makes a decision on these things, it proliferates pretty quickly company wide. And if some sales person is saying "If you convert, we might throw one in for free for you"?

And with tablet technology moving the way that it has been, more and more big corporations are going the way of the smart phone/tablet. It provides increased productivity and allows instant access to tools in ways that even laptops don't.

Now, on lower levels than executives, popularity may not be so hot. But they aren't the ones making the decisions, now are they?

in the end, even if tablets never overtake PCs, the sheer growth of the tablet market at the moment is HUGE. And MS really isn't hurting themselves in hedging their bets merging the two platforms (IMHO).

But none of this speaks to gaming. So long as old and new games run smoothly on Win8 without having to majorly overhaul or configure them, and it isn't a buggy Beta that actually gets released, I have no problems with it. I don't generally use either Steam or Origin. but I do have high expectations that both companies will ensure their continued existence.

Have to say, I may not agree 100% with what you're saying, but I respect the way you say it.

 

[HeXen]

hehe, i remember in 2010 when many here could not figure out the point in owning a tablet, that it was useless, a fad, argued against such. its funny

 

[Dumac]

hehe, i remember in 2010 when many here could not figure out the point in owning a tablet, that it was useless, a fad, argued against such. its funny

It is still pretty much a toy, but for adults.

 

[shortylickens]

hehe, i remember in 2010 when many here could not figure out the point in owning a tablet, that it was useless, a fad, argued against such. its funny

Its just about as useful now as it was back then.

 

[thespyder]

Its just about as useful now as it was back then.

Not so. The combination of a tablet and a phone (or air card) really adds portability, accessibility and communications to a traveling sales force. We can roll out presentations to one location that can then be displayed at any sales site in real time. And The ability to virtual office statistics and meaningful order/inventory tracking is quite significant.

Think of it this way. Your sales force wants to make a presentation to a potential client. He or she has to either carry around a potentially out dated presentation, or can access the latest and greatest at their finger tips. Plus track their sales real time and have virtual meetings in the car. All for the price of a tablet.

Plus, big wigs LOVE toys.

 

[Cerb]

hehe, i remember in 2010 when many here could not figure out the point in owning a tablet, that it was useless, a fad, argued against such. its funny

...and I'll bet half of those people still don't have one, and for those very reasons. I still don't see a point in spending the money, until it is also a color book reader (IIRC, the official line is that they're holding off because they can't change state fast enough for video playback...the B&W ones can't do that, either, so I wonder if it's really cost).

 

[uhohs]

http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

for those that want to stick with the old desktop+startmenu


or http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/

 

[ImpulsE69]

What he said, they are about as useful now as they were then. I still don't see a "need" for one. I'm sure there are good uses..I just don't have any at this time. Who knows, could change in the future. As of right now I just see them as a big phone..and I already have a phone that does a majority of that stuff.

 

[Kristijonas]

Thief 3 didn't work for me in win8: Release Preview. Could someone test it with win8 final release, please?

 

[Kaldari]

Things will transition fast enough after launch. The changes aren't near as drastic as XP to Vista. I'm not particularly worried.

 

[mikeymikec]

The trick is to keep it a slowly changing dimension.

I'll take the start menu as an example. The new XP start menu was pointless.

IMO it implemented a system of making frequently used apps easier to access than the traditional Start menu. I used to make a 'Quickapps' menu on the classic menu so I could then do keyboard sequences of Start, Q, F for Firefox for example.

With the two-column start menu it became easier to just point and click and/or use smaller keyboard shortcuts. Having one portion of the list being dynamically generated wasn't a bad idea either.

Having a search box on the menu stops me using keyboard sequences/shortcuts in the same way, so that irritated me. I would guess that I've used the search box maybe ten times since 2006. I just don't need a search function very often, so unless I'm trying to find something tedious to locate and on a one-off basis like the memory diagnostic, I just make it easily available.

The jump list feature in Win7 was a massive improvement IMO.

I suppose I ought to snag a copy of Win8 to get used to it, but there's no way that it's going to go on my main PC based on third-party impressions of it.

 

[Cerb]

Having a search box on the menu stops me using keyboard sequences/shortcuts in the same way, so that irritated me. I would guess that I've used the search box maybe ten times since 2006. I just don't need a search function very often, so unless I'm trying to find something tedious to locate and on a one-off basis like the memory diagnostic, I just make it easily available.

I'ved it as a search box twice. I commonly use it as a quick-access command line, with ctrl+shfit offering rootAdministrator elevation.

 

[BladeVenom]

Things will transition fast enough after launch. The changes aren't near as drastic as XP to Vista. I'm not particularly worried.

The changes look a lot worse.

MS fixed the problems with Vista; the problems with Win 8 are going to be kept.

 

[Mem]

Things will transition fast enough after launch. The changes aren't near as drastic as XP to Vista. I'm not particularly worried.

Vista was and still is a very good desktop based OS just like Win7,however Win8 is a change from desktop to tablet OS.

 

[thespyder]

Vista was and still is a very good desktop based OS just like Win7,however Win8 is a change from desktop to tablet OS.

Um... What? Vista was a 'Good OS'?

Ok...... Um.... NOT.

Vista was so horrible that they had to rebrand it after fixing all of the issues before anyone would buy.

 

[Mem]

Um... What? Vista was a 'Good OS'?

Ok...... Um.... NOT.

Vista was so horrible that they had to rebrand it after fixing all of the issues before anyone would buy.

I had Vista from day one,only issue I had was lack of good driver support at start,however that was soon fixed once companies started getting drivers out.
Only OS I did not like was ME.


I had 3 good years with Vista,people have short memories since Win7 is based on Vista, we all know Microsoft have gone back to 3 year cycle for new OS,be interesting to see how Win8 does or will Win9 be coming up faster then people think?

 

[thespyder]

I had Vista from day one,only issue I had was lack of good driver support at start,however that was soon fixed once companies started getting drivers out.
Only OS I did not like was ME.


I had 3 good years with Vista,people have short memories since Win7 is based on Vista, we all know Microsoft have gone back to 3 year cycle for new OS,be interesting to see how Win8 does or will Win9 be coming up faster then people think?

Ok. got it. YOU didn't have any issues, so therefore it had to be a good platform. Forget about all of the Thousands of other users who had major issues to the point where MS had to go back and rebrand the 'Fixed' version just so it would sell. YOU didn't so therefore it was solid.

And yes, Win7 IS Vista 2.0. Meaning, with all of the crap that was wrong with Vista, Fixed after the 3 year open Beta.

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

So, I get the impression that actual performance, with one known exception, isn't any worse for games in windows 8 and that it's just inconvenient to start things up. Is that about right?

Any chance 8 version equivalent of OEM home premium 7 will be less than $99.99?

 

[ViRGE]

So, I get the impression that actual performance, with one known exception, isn't any worse for games in windows 8 and that it's just inconvenient to start things up. Is that about right?

Correct.

 

[Zenoth]

So... basically the big deal is the GUI (being the issue)?

If Microsoft were to release some sort of a "gamers-friendly" GUI "update" (or layer, or whatever) which would make it "just like Windows 7", then all of a sudden Windows 8 would be good for gaming. Is that correct? If that's the case then maybe Microsoft will comply (I mean bad word of mouth over time I guess could have some impact... but I doubt it will).

 

[mikeymikec]

So... basically the big deal is the GUI (being the issue)?

If Microsoft were to release some sort of a "gamers-friendly" GUI "update" (or layer, or whatever) which would make it "just like Windows 7", then all of a sudden Windows 8 would be good for gaming. Is that correct? If that's the case then maybe Microsoft will comply (I mean bad word of mouth over time I guess could have some impact... but I doubt it will).

There won't be a "gamer friendly GUI update", and if Microsoft was going to U-turn on the GUI design, they would have done it already. I suspect that one reason why they won't is because nothing has been done to the Win7 style UI to make it suitable in MS's view to sell as part of a new OS. AFAIK apart from Metro and the removal of the Start menu, the only change was to put ribbons in Explorer.