Windows 8 Is Not Good For Gamers

[Skel]

I love threads like this.. really I do, it puts me in the bizzaro world where I defend MS..

The original link I have to agree with in a lot of ways. I don't like how they've changed a lot of the way I would normally interact with my programs. It's when we start screaming about the app store that I start shrugging my shoulders at the whole thing. Still not sure why MS isn't allowed to create the same thing it's competitors are doing, when even Ubuntu has one, MS should be allowed one too..


A counter point to the MS is going to kill us all and rape our babies cause it created an app store..
http://gizmodo.com/5937590/youre-being-lied-to-windows-8-isnt-bad-for-gaming

 

[Arkaign]

I love threads like this.. really I do, it puts me in the bizzaro world where I defend MS..

The original link I have to agree with in a lot of ways. I don't like how they've changed a lot of the way I would normally interact with my programs. It's when we start screaming about the app store that I start shrugging my shoulders at the whole thing. Still not sure why MS isn't allowed to create the same thing it's competitors are doing, when even Ubuntu has one, MS should be allowed one too..


A counter point to the MS is going to kill us all and rape our babies cause it created an app store..
http://gizmodo.com/5937590/youre-being-lied-to-windows-8-isnt-bad-for-gaming

It could all be so easily fixable if they did ONE simple thing :

Let you completely turn off the Metro UI, and still have access with the classic desktop to any apps you bought. As I understand it now, certain things can only be run from the tile hell, and for business use / multitasking that's garbage.

If I had a Windows tablet, I'd probably use the Metro UI even if I could have access to to old way. For a desktop, I have the complete opposite view.

There's zero technical reason for them not to allow you to completely and utterly bypass the tile UI in favor of the classic desktop, and still have 100% access to all apps.

 

[Kalmah]

I'd like it if they'd do something practical. Why not some kind of interactive desktop where we can organize categories, backdrop colors for different categories to organize files and folders, integrated media windows for music,... everything you name it; basically a customizable start menu built into the desktop itself. (think Stardock Windows Fences if you've used it but more robust)

But instead, they want everybody to use one giant inconvenience.

 

[Lonyo]

This doesn't concern you? You think there will be a MS App store summer sale every year? Weekly deals? Weekend deals?

Yeah right. Also integrate something as bad or worse as GFWL and you have a problem for PC gaming's growth.

Yeah, MS have never had their own stores, and their own stores have never had sales before.

You think Steam has driven down prices for average games typically compared to retail?
In my country they CERTAINLY haven't, and in the US if you take a sample of say 15 games, one miht be on sale, but the average price across all those games will typically be higher on Steam thn somehere like Amazon.

Sure, you can wait every year until the games you want are on sale, or you could want lower typical prices.
Valve are in it for the money as much, if not more, than anyon else.

 

[thespyder]

I love threads like this.. really I do, it puts me in the bizzaro world where I defend MS..

The original link I have to agree with in a lot of ways. I don't like how they've changed a lot of the way I would normally interact with my programs. It's when we start screaming about the app store that I start shrugging my shoulders at the whole thing. Still not sure why MS isn't allowed to create the same thing it's competitors are doing, when even Ubuntu has one, MS should be allowed one too..


A counter point to the MS is going to kill us all and rape our babies cause it created an app store..
http://gizmodo.com/5937590/youre-being-lied-to-windows-8-isnt-bad-for-gaming

The one and only complaint I have about MS having their own app store is in the fact that they have a past history and penchant for trying to make exclusivity part of the package. So, since the App store is part of Win8, they "May" try and force games to be Win8 App Store compliant. Not saying there is any proof to such a supposition. Just saying that I wouldn't put it past them to try.

 

[Aikouka]

I'll take the start menu as an example. The new XP start menu was pointless.

I didn't start using the "fancy" start menu until Windows 7. :$

I think the big difference that made me actually want to use it was the ability to pin applications and automated addition to the menu. Hell, pinning applications actually isn't really new. It's a lot like the ability in the old start menu to add shortcuts above the "Programs >" menu option.

 

[Dumac]

The article fails to mention any way that Windows 8 is bad for gaming...

Just complaints about the UI.

 

[Cerb]

I didn't start using the "fancy" start menu until Windows 7. :$

I think the big difference that made me actually want to use it was the ability to pin applications and automated addition to the menu. Hell, pinning applications actually isn't really new. It's a lot like the ability in the old start menu to add shortcuts above the "Programs >" menu option.

Or, that the quicklaunch menu could be used to open a vertical launch menu, which became an obsolete hack unless you had a ton of apps you want pinned.

The per-application recent docs thing is nifty, too. Great for when you can't remember the name of whatever someone sent you, a few days later.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Yeah, MS have never had their own stores, and their own stores have never had sales before.

You think Steam has driven down prices for average games typically compared to retail?
In my country they CERTAINLY haven't, and in the US if you take a sample of say 15 games, one miht be on sale, but the average price across all those games will typically be higher on Steam thn somehere like Amazon.

Sure, you can wait every year until the games you want are on sale, or you could want lower typical prices.
Valve are in it for the money as much, if not more, than anyon else.

That doesn't matter. How many people say "I use steam for the sales"? A ton!

 

[Skel]

It could all be so easily fixable if they did ONE simple thing :

Let you completely turn off the Metro UI, and still have access with the classic desktop to any apps you bought. As I understand it now, certain things can only be run from the tile hell, and for business use / multitasking that's garbage.

If I had a Windows tablet, I'd probably use the Metro UI even if I could have access to to old way. For a desktop, I have the complete opposite view.

There's zero technical reason for them not to allow you to completely and utterly bypass the tile UI in favor of the classic desktop, and still have 100% access to all apps.

I really can't agree more with this.. I really don't like the way they're forcing the issue. I understand why they're doing it, and even kind of understand why they think it's the better approach, but I really think they should have let people migrate slower to the "metro".

The one and only complaint I have about MS having their own app store is in the fact that they have a past history and penchant for trying to make exclusivity part of the package. So, since the App store is part of Win8, they "May" try and force games to be Win8 App Store compliant. Not saying there is any proof to such a supposition. Just saying that I wouldn't put it past them to try.

The will and should force any app that is SOLD via the App Store to be compliant, as they're the first line of support for it. Even if they direct people to the proper devs there'll always be a list of people that scream at who sold it to them.

The real concern should be MS attempting to lock out other app stores like Steam, which is really where Steam and such are most raging against Win8. That would be a total dick move that I wouldn't support, however MS would be in their rights to do so, just as I'd be within my rights not to buy their products.. what little I do buy.

 

[Skel]

This doesn't concern you? You think there will be a MS App store summer sale every year? Weekly deals? Weekend deals?

Yeah right. Also integrate something as bad or worse as GFWL and you have a problem for PC gaming's growth.

MS already has a app/game store that already has sales... You might not have known about it as the only people I know who use it are the Windows Phone people, and from all your "Roar MS sucks" posts I'd be shocked if you owned one of those. Point is they do already have "sales" and most likely will in the future.

 

[Nintendesert]

The article fails to mention any way that Windows 8 is bad for gaming...

Just complaints about the UI.

It's not bad for gaming. If anything MS throwing their XBOX division behind PC gaming will do a whole ton of good for it.

It's Valve being afraid of Xbox eating into their sales and pushing out their shills to try and rave against Win8 to protect Valve's bottom line. I own over 250 games on Steam, so I love their product. I'm all for Origin, Ubcrapwhatever, Xbox etc. on PC. All these digital services are why PC gaming continues to grow and why EA makes more money on the PC than they do the PS3.

We need more of this. This will be the resurgence of PC gaming not a Steam monopoly or a Steam temper tantrum on Linux.

 

[cmdrdredd]

MS already has a app/game store that already has sales... You might not have known about it as the only people I know who use it are the Windows Phone people, and from all your "Roar MS sucks" posts I'd be shocked if you owned one of those. Point is they do already have "sales" and most likely will in the future.

All my posts? I made two total posts in this thread. Get your fucking head out of your ass and you might actually know that.

My point is on a PC people use steam and for many it encompasses their entire game library. But you wouldn't know that because you don't fucking read what people actually say.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe we don't want a fucking console experience on our PC? Maybe we don't like the Xbox360 all that much nor want something locked down as that on our HDD? No probably not because you don't pay attention.

 

[sactoking]

I find it interesting that the comments about the Xbox Live-style interface and friend lists basically means that the thing I hate most in the computing world, always online DRM for single player games, is going to be making its way to my operating system.

Pass.

 

[The_Golden_Man]

Why would any desktop user in their right mind upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 8?

Everyone can clearly see that Windows 8 is more practical for handheld PC's with touchscreen or mobile phones. For a desktop PC using keyboard and a mouse it's actually crap when compared to earlier versions.

MS can go f... themselves.

 

[shortylickens]

Who was claiming it would be good for games?

 

[Skel]

All my posts? I made two total posts in this thread. Get your fucking head out of your ass and you might actually know that.

My point is on a PC people use steam and for many it encompasses their entire game library. But you wouldn't know that because you don't fucking read what people actually say.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe we don't want a fucking console experience on our PC? Maybe we don't like the Xbox360 all that much nor want something locked down as that on our HDD? No probably not because you don't pay attention.

I was going off the posts in this thread combined with this thread where you were going off about Microsoft treatment of Rare. The two threads convinced me you were in the anti-MS bandwagon.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2265590

I was replying to your post claiming that MS wouldn't have any sales in it's app store by pointing out they already did. I find it even more amusing that you're going off about not reading anything while missing the entire post I wrote up. I hadn't said anything about how people use Steam, nor do I really see the point there. You claimed they didn't have sales, I pointed out they do, just also pointed out you probably didn't have a clue what their app store has done, as it's currently only really used by the Windows Phone crowd, which again, I'm guessing isn't you.

As far as the whole "Did it ever occur to you that maybe we don't want a fucking console experience on our PC? Maybe we don't like the Xbox360 all that much nor want something locked down as that on our HDD?" I really haven't a clue what you're on about here as it really doesn't have much with sales and if MS will or will not have them. I will point out on it though, as has been pointed out many times by many people on this forum there hasn't been any move by MS to lock out any other marketplace. If you really believe this is happening, you really are in the anti-MS bandwagon, and/or reading a ton of FUD.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

MS won't move to lock out other marketplaces until theirs is better established. It'd be insta-death to do so. They'll leverage theirs into top position (continue to push Metro, relegate desktop applications to legacy status) then eliminate the others citing lack of interest. The majority won't care by that point. Profit.

 

[thespyder]

The real concern should be MS attempting to lock out other app stores like Steam, which is really where Steam and such are most raging against Win8. That would be a total dick move that I wouldn't support, however MS would be in their rights to do so, just as I'd be within my rights not to buy their products.. what little I do buy.

This was more or less what I was saying I suspect them to try and do. To make it so that you have to have App store and that only App Store games will run on Win8. I am not saying that this is what they are doing, or that it can succeed. I just saying I suspect that they might think it is a good idea and try it.

As for Win8 itself outside of the App Store, I will take a wait and see attitude. I would, however, be concerned as to how many older games will run on Win8. That was a big thing when Vista/7 came out in that they altered the OS to such a degree that a lot of stuff that would run on XP wouldn't run without modifications.

Also, with this being a hybrid of tablet OS and Windows, I wonder what got sacrificed to make it more like the tablet.

 

[wuliheron]

This isn't innovation, it isn't a step forward in ergonomics, design or functionality, it's a blatant sacrifice of any progress that could really be made in the name of profit.

It's not just about profit, but controlling the market. Anybody can make an immediate profit, but if you control the market you control the long term profits. MS has depended on desktop computers and Wintel to control the market for the last 30 years, but portables are now taking over. The PC isn't dead as Wired magazine put it, but it is about to be demoted to the minor leagues and MS refuses to go there with it.

That means control of the portable market including cheap tablets and smartphones is now everyone of the big players new objective and windows 8 is all about controlling that market which includes making the os flexible enough to accommodate new types of interfaces such as voice commands and gesture recognition. This isn't a struggle to just leach the most profit possible, but to control the portable market for the indefinite future.

 

[BladeVenom]

A counter point to the MS is going to kill us all and rape our babies cause it created an app store..
http://gizmodo.com/5937590/youre-being-lied-to-windows-8-isnt-bad-for-gaming

Gizmodo is shortsighted and not seeing the possibility of MS moving towards a closed system, where all games eventually have to go through Windows Live.

MS has been screwing over PC gamers since the Xbox came out, and Games for Windows Live sucks.

 

[spaceman]

if push coems to shove
im sticking with gaben

 

[Nintendesert]

Gizmodo is shortsighted and not seeing the possibility of MS moving towards a closed system, where all games eventually have to go through Windows Live.

MS has been screwing over PC gamers since the Xbox came out, and Games for Windows Live sucks.

WL does suck, however MS can't close people out of their OS in the browser market where stuff if given away for free, they sure as heck won't get past oversight if they try to close people out of the online distribution market.

They simply don't want to be closed out themselves.

 

[ImpulsE69]

If I can't use my desktop like a desktop (ie: have multiple resizable windows showing at the same time) then this is not an OS I will use. My guess is that it will be pointless for a majority of PC owners to even go to Win8 and just wait for the next version when all the "new" features are common place.

A tablet/phone is not a PC. People may be using them like PC's but they are NOT PC's. They do not have the flexibility of PC's and from the looks of it in the future will have MORE flexibility than a PC.

 

[wuliheron]

If I can't use my desktop like a desktop (ie: have multiple resizable windows showing at the same time) then this is not an OS I will use. My guess is that it will be pointless for a majority of PC owners to even go to Win8 and just wait for the next version when all the "new" features are common place.

A tablet/phone is not a PC. People may be using them like PC's but they are NOT PC's. They do not have the flexibility of PC's and from the looks of it in the future will have MORE flexibility than a PC.

I'm sure Microsoft will come out with more titillating improvements to DirectX to lure desktop gamers into buying windows 9 or whatever and they're already hinting if you buy windows 8 you can cash in on such things, but it's all hype as far as I can tell. Rasterized graphics reached their pinnacle with gpu compute functions and since then about the most exciting thing MS has had to offer is tessellation which is just a refinement of the technology actually better suited, again, to portables.