Win 10 updates can't be disabled

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RampantAndroid

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Has anyone determined if disabling automating driver installations and updates will actually do the trick?

I'll hold off on Windows 10 until I know for certain. I have always disabled or neglected to install driver updates through Windows Update unless I felt a particular one was a great idea. Otherwise, especially for GPUs and most peripherals, I want to be in complete control.

Seemed to work for me, but in the end I went to device manager, clicked my GTX670 and searched for drivers. The driver on windows update is newer/better than the ancient one you can download from nvidia - the last WHQL driver has serious perf issues...and is from April.
 

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Seemed to work for me, but in the end I went to device manager, clicked my GTX670 and searched for drivers. The driver on windows update is newer/better than the ancient one you can download from nvidia - the last WHQL driver has serious perf issues...and is from April.

So it didn't automatically update your driver until you requested it to search for updates through device manager?
 

RampantAndroid

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So it didn't automatically update your driver until you requested it to search for updates through device manager?

Yup - I'd installed .30 off the NV site, and Windows didn't update it. The second I searched for a new driver, it found it.
 

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Yeah. Advanced System settings, I turned it off.

Yeah, I figured it would, you know, work exactly as described. But I wonder if some people reporting that drivers still downloaded are more of a revelation of a bug as opposed to the OS ignoring your choice.

Much like I hear that apparently sometimes Ctrl-C does not actually Copy as it should, so... there be bugs.

I'm installing it on my parent's laptop right now - I'll have to play around with it. :D
BTW, I'm not worried about their system, for a) I can roll back, and b) they normally use their desktop anyhow. And 10, bugs or not, will definitely be something they adapt to more easily than Windows 8, considering they also have Win7 on the desktop. I'll upgrade that too once things are for sure looking on the up and up.

I'll probably put Win10 on my desktop before their desktop, however.
 
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Kristijonas

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Could someone please explain how exactly you did this? Is it possible to make every update optional, manual, not just driver ones?
 

RampantAndroid

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Could someone please explain how exactly you did this? Is it possible to make every update optional, manual, not just driver ones?

You can hide updates via the API, but the only updates you can really opt out of are the driver updates. The rest is forced on you (or deferred if you have a pro SKU.)
 

Kristijonas

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Feeling raped :thumbsdown:
Home someone with weight will voice their opinion against this and Microsoft will rethink this design. Although I'm afraid it's there to stay...
 

RampantAndroid

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Feeling raped :thumbsdown:
Home someone with weight will voice their opinion against this and Microsoft will rethink this design. Although I'm afraid it's there to stay...

Honestly, as long as the updates don't have glaring issues (as in, things get better and not worse) I don't care if they update me. The main reason I turned off updates in Windows 7/8/8.1 is that:

1. in Windows 7, the reboot UI would show below a full screen game or video, and if you didn't hit postpone, you'd reboot. In the middle of a match. Grrr.

2. In Windows 8/8.1, there was the countdown to reboot. ALWAYS I'd be forced to reboot in the middle of something. Windows 10 seems to have dealt with that.
 

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Feeling raped :thumbsdown:
Home someone with weight will voice their opinion against this and Microsoft will rethink this design. Although I'm afraid it's there to stay...

No one is forcing you to use the software.

Is it really that big of a deal? So, you get updates. You can turn off forced driver updates. What's the problem?
 

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I see the windows 10 business model as shortening their free support times and unless you subscribe to their update service you will be left behind. You have to think about this with a business mindset. They had to be creative and come up with a new way to generate revenue on a consistent basis and subscription based software was the vehicle they chose to accomplish this with. Personally I love their network based office products which give me access to real time updates in the dictionary and APA style citations when I copy and paste into a document. My regular office 2010 doesn't offer these features and I really enjoy them in the office 2016 preview and office 365. This gives the user a better product and MS a steady source of revenue for future development. They cannot support windows xp forever nor should they. Just like when you buy a new car with a fixed warranty period, software now has a support expiration date and since MS is the manufacturer they can set the date anyway they please unless it becomes subject to federal regulation and then they will have to adhere to the limits placed upon them.
 

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I see the windows 10 business model as shortening their free support times and unless you subscribe to their update service you will be left behind. You have to think about this with a business mindset. They had to be creative and come up with a new way to generate revenue on a consistent basis and subscription based software was the vehicle they chose to accomplish this with. Personally I love their network based office products which give me access to real time updates in the dictionary and APA style citations when I copy and paste into a document. My regular office 2010 doesn't offer these features and I really enjoy them in the office 2016 preview and office 365. This gives the user a better product and MS a steady source of revenue for future development. They cannot support windows xp forever nor should they. Just like when you buy a new car with a fixed warranty period, software now has a support expiration date and since MS is the manufacturer they can set the date anyway they please unless it becomes subject to federal regulation and then they will have to adhere to the limits placed upon them.

I think the plan for Windows 10 is to basically keep updating it for a long time. Windows 10 as a base product, I think, will last a long time. It's about that time where the NT Kernel has become excellent and stable, and now it is truly multi-platform.

That said, I think there will be basic feature updates, and then there will be the new style of Service Packs, which will be point releases. 10.1, 10.2, etc. Much of what has been done within Windows 8, 8.1, and 10 can all be truly done under the same original release. The new versions were to keep up the standard practices.

But once Windows 10.1 is released, standard support for 10.0 will basically drop, not immediately but it can't be supported forever. And frankly, that's the right way to approach it IMHO, because to support the security considerations of multiple aging versions of an OS, especially if it's a point-release model like Windows 10 might be, is a ridiculous requirement that drags down resources.

When 8.1 was released, 8.0 support was basically neutered, as it should have been. People were up in flames, but let's get real - who the hell thought it would be a good idea to stay on 8.0 and not upgrade to 8.1. It was a major service pack. Not upgrading to Windows 7 SP1 meant you weren't supported that well either IIRC.

If you have Windows 10 and don't keep up with updates, they pull your security updates. You can choose the Slow Ring so that updates are better tested for stability and security, but if you don't keep up with those, it's like not keeping up with Service Packs. As they add new features or do more complete patching beyond strict security concerns, they may both create more security concerns to patch as well as completely remove older security issues. So by not keeping up, that is increasing the number of potential security flaws that Microsoft has to keep attempting to correct. Microsoft, I think, is wise to not consider that.

I think it would be much better to more appropriately stick to more point releases like OS X, so that sure you don't update iPhoto to the latest version, but if you don't update to 10.11, you won't get future security updates for as long as you would if you kept up with the upgrades (I think they do this, though I may be wrong).

And even when they say they may go that route, grave security concerns can still prompt releases for older unsupported platforms. IIRC, Microsoft has released patches for the now unsupported XP.

Microsoft is realizing their OS is now only a means to an end, they are now orienting themselves toward other services and products, with Windows simply being the platform to get you in the door. They are supporting other platforms too with up to date products, so they truly are only after you for the main services these days.


Frankly, the more control Microsoft has over the update process, as long as they aren't going crazy and removing features as they see fit in time, I think we are all better off. That makes for a more secure Windows environment, which is good for everyone. Less widespread flaws = fewer resources dedicated to utilizing those flaws for nefarious purposes.
 

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I remember when they really increased their prices after windows xp and I wonder if they were attempting to recoup lost revenue from pirating. Windows 8 brought the consumer the first real price reductions in their OS's and I agree with you that if they can get you in the door with that then they can increase the chances of getting you to bite on their other software packages.
 

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I remember when they really increased their prices after windows xp and I wonder if they were attempting to recoup lost revenue from pirating. Windows 8 brought the consumer the first real price reductions in their OS's and I agree with you that if they can get you in the door with that then they can increase the chances of getting you to bite on their other software packages.

I think there's a decent chance that Microsoft won't actually charge, even after one year, for the consumer OS. They'll get their money from OEMs and the enterprise customers.
I think Microsoft should be slowly realizing that charging for updates these days is keeping people from updating, so by keeping the consumer updates free, the Windows ecosystem will remain more secure. And that is something we really, really need to be striving for these days - all the worst hacks are going to be perpetrated starting with a loose end found at a corporate user's home computer or them being uneducated about email security. They don't need to break through firewalls when an employee will open the door for them.

Now, for brand new system builder installations? Sure, makes sense to charge, to a degree - but keep it fair pricing. And an old Windows 7 or Windows 8 installer should be good enough to start it and then get a free update for home system builders.
 

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On a different note, some people (such as myself!) have a daily bandwidth cap from their ISP: mine is 350MB/day. Exactly how are we expected to be able to download a 2-3 GB update package without having the ability to schedule/throttle the download? And using a "metered connection" isn't an option, because I don't use WiFi.

Edit: changed MB to GB
 

destrekor

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On a different note, some people (such as myself!) have a daily bandwidth cap from their ISP: mine is 350MB/day. Exactly how are we expected to be able to download a 2-3 GB update package without having the ability to schedule/throttle the download? And using a "metered connection" isn't an option, because I don't use WiFi.

Edit: changed MB to GB

Ouch.

Do you have any place you can download a file to and create a USB installer? A work computer? A computer at a friends house?

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

Microsoft had at one point mentioned there would be solutions for people like yourself, but in my search it appears they have yet to address that issue. It may be possible to call them and have them send a pre-loaded USB drive. In the past they offered the ability to have new DVD media shipped to you for about $20, IIRC.

Hopefully you can create media at another location.
 

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Thanks, Destrektor. Your solution is useful for the initial d/l and installation of Win10, but I'm more worried about the recurring mandatory updates. My internet connection throttles down to dial-up speeds for 24 hours if I exceed my bandwidth cap. If there is truly no way to defer or throttle Win10 updates, I'm going to be over the limit every time the update package is greater than 350MB.
 

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Thanks, Destrektor. Your solution is useful for the initial d/l and installation of Win10, but I'm more worried about the recurring mandatory updates. My internet connection throttles down to dial-up speeds for 24 hours if I exceed my bandwidth cap. If there is truly no way to defer or throttle Win10 updates, I'm going to be over the limit every time the update package is greater than 350MB.

Will you have Windows 10 Pro or Home? I believe in 10 you can delay updates for up to 30 days, so you can time your downloads.

I haven't checked, it might have a pause download feature as well.


If nothing else, there is likely some 3rd party software that will help you set download limits over the network connection. I'm trying to search for something that would work...

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http://miechu.pl/freemeter/about.aspx
http://codebox.org.uk/pages/bitmeteros
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/43561/ask-how-to-geek-how-can-i-monitor-my-bandwidth-usage/ (article about NetWorx)

If there is no pause or delay option that works for you, then the above might be your best bet, though all it might really do is outright prevent further data use system-wide as opposed to simply limited OS-specific data use while you continue to browse the internet or something.

Some further digging suggests there is no pause capability in Windows Update on Windows 10, but there has been discussion of the concept and perhaps it could be added as a solution for people who can't just always let software download whenever it wants to due to throttling/caps. Microsoft should be smart enough, perhaps a few months down the road or perhaps next week, to figure out there is a need for such a solution.
 
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