Will Windows/OSX ever Replace Linux?

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

How can you call something that will last you 5-10 years for $200 high? Have you even looked at the prices of the rest of a computers components or other things that peope don't mind paying outrageous prices for like cable TV/Internet, DSL, cell phones, etc?

I just spent $350 on my first hardware upgrade since 2001. How can you NOT call it "high" for software to be 36% of an upgrade cost, and it's software that doesn't do much more than allow you to run _other_ software.

 

[Nothinman]

I just spent $350 on my first hardware upgrade since 2001. How can you NOT call it "high" for software to be 36% of an upgrade cost, and it's software that doesn't do much more than allow you to run _other_ software.

Then you don't fit into the demographic of people currently considering buying Vista or even buying the OS seperate from the machine. If you never buy new hardware then chances are you just buy a pre-build machine with the OS included in the price so the retail cost of the OS is irrelevant to you.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: drag
From what I've seen having programs compiled is a strong 'it depends'.

Plenty of people that do do 'enterprise' stuff are large enough that they have their own developers or contract out. Remember that customization of open source software is a nice way to avoid having to purchase shrink wrapped packages that do everything anybody wants, but doesn't do any of it that well. Often it's cheaper and easier (and much more effective) to take something that is close to what you want and then simply make it do what you want and submit the packages back to the original developers.

On the other hand if you are depending on general support contracts then there is no way you want to go around recompiling supplied software. As soon as you start introducing variables then support costs are going to skyrocket. Having to deal with editable config files are hard enough...

This applies very well to the company I'm currently at.
OS of choice for most stuff is Solaris, and of course there's proprietary software working here(Oracle, Sybase, Websphere, etc), but one of the most frequently used pieces of software around here is Apache.
The "flavor" is compiled here, and distributed via a home brewn distribution system that yanks whatever modules you specify to the relevant server.
So yes, even major companies(this is a Fortune 50) do enjoy the benefits of open software, though of course they don't give jack about ideologies, just the practicality of it

 

[Doom Machine]

All hints at a proprietary operating system, not proprietary hardware. I can throw Windows, *BSD, or Linux on the Intel based Macs and do just fine. On the PowerPC Macs I'd be limited to the better OSes (*BSD and Linux).

Come up with a new argument, this one is ******.

lol, omfg the response wasnt about the hardware, but the reference from OSX, let me dumb that down for you, i was talking about OSX hardware requirements, NOT hardware requirements that only work on OSX, like most you too fail to keep up well with forum threads, not that i'm great at it either since these pointless arguemental ones go fast, but i said i wont be slapping osx on any peice of hardware of my choosing, pertaining to use the use of specific hardware,(pertaining to propriatory not the owning propriatory) i dont even think apple owns any of its hardware that it uses anyway

oh and by hardware requirements i'm reffering to make type and model, not performance or design form factors.,most people here are enthusiasts and would pick up on that but then again some just like to find errors in wording to make arguements

 

[Doom Machine]

Originally posted by: Brazen

Originally posted by: Nothinman

How can you call something that will last you 5-10 years for $200 high? Have you even looked at the prices of the rest of a computers components or other things that peope don't mind paying outrageous prices for like cable TV/Internet, DSL, cell phones, etc?

I just spent $350 on my first hardware upgrade since 2001. How can you NOT call it "high" for software to be 36% of an upgrade cost, and it's software that doesn't do much more than allow you to run _other_ software.

you dont have to upgrade to the latest software no more than you have to upgrade to the latest hardware, for $350 i doubt you have a quadro cpu muchless a dual, i'm guessing you just bought some ram or generic cpu and maybe a cheap mobo. software of any kind be it OS/ AV or photo"c"hop should be figured into any budget when upgrading. if not there are many free linux's
pay for what you need or use for what you get.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Doom Machine

All hints at a proprietary operating system, not proprietary hardware. I can throw Windows, *BSD, or Linux on the Intel based Macs and do just fine. On the PowerPC Macs I'd be limited to the better OSes (*BSD and Linux).

Come up with a new argument, this one is ******.

lol, omfg the response wasnt about the hardware, but the reference from OSX, let me dumb that down for you, i was talking about OSX hardware requirements, NOT hardware requirements that only work on OSX, like most you too fail to keep up well with forum threads, not that i'm great at it either since these pointless arguemental ones go fast, but i said i wont be slapping osx on any peice of hardware of my choosing, pertaining to use the use of specific hardware,(pertaining to propriatory not the owning propriatory) i dont even think apple owns any of its hardware that it uses anyway

You complained about proprietary hardware. The current hardware is only as proprietary as the average PC. Quote:

propriatary hardware

Hence, my explanation that the hardware isn't all that proprietary. And Apple helped design the PowerPC. But that isn't current so it's not worth looking at.

If you wanted to complain about how you're limited in the hardware you may use with OS X, you shouldn't have ever mentioned proprietary hardware. It's just a silly thing to bring up.

So yes, I kept up. If you couldn't put into words what you wanted to complain about maybe you shouldn't have posted. I just responded to the words you put in your post.

oh and by hardware requirements i'm reffering to make type and model, not performance or design form factors.,most people here are enthusiasts and would pick up on that but then again some just like to find errors in wording to make arguements

I'm not sure what this has to do with my posts, I didn't mention performance or form factor at all...

I want to pay particular attention to the following part of this post: then again some just like to find errors in wording to make arguements. It's funny. This is a forum, with nothing BUT words. If you don't put the words down correctly, to mean what you want them to mean, how are we expected to understand? If you say blue but mean red, are we supposed to just know?

Anyhow:
Apple hardware -> no more proprietary than the machine sitting under your desk.
Apple software -> More proprietary than Linux or BSD.

 

[shortylickens]

Free AND functional?
No, linux is not going anywhere.
Granted, because it isnt making much of a profit, it will never wipe out MS which is a profit oriented company, but it wont be wiped out, no matter how much Bill Gates rants and raves.

Apple?
I have no idea. I dont like them. Dont like their hardware, dont like their software. But they are a much smaller company and it seems they have enough loyal fans to stay in business. Not to mention their personal media players always seem to be #1 in sales.

 

[drag]

Free AND functional?
No, linux is not going anywhere.
Granted, because it isnt making much of a profit, it will never wipe out MS which is a profit oriented company, but it wont be wiped out, no matter how much Bill Gates rants and raves.

You do realise, of course, that Linux server sales alone are 3+ billion dollar a year deal, right?


A recent EU study said that firms spend a average 1.2 billion Euros developing Free software. The firms that develop Free software have revenue total revenue around 256 billion Euro and employ 565 000 people. (of course they don't make money from _selling_ the software usually, but they use it in their businesses).

Currently Floss software usage in EU would cost a estimated 12 billion Euros to replace with similar quality propriatory software. By using Floss software it's estimated that firms save 36% of the costs for their own R&D compared to if they were using propriatory software. The study also shows that by increasing the EU's investement in 'Free/Libre/Open source software' over the next few years will yeild a 10% increase in GDP from that alone (10 billion Europs).

etc etc.

http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/ict/policy/doc/2006-11-20-flossimpact.pdf

So this sort of stuff is plenty profitable. But it's the sort of stuff that doesn't tend to show up on some mega corporation's balance sheet.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: halfpower
Will Windows/OSX ever Replace Linux?

That's a bad question. The intended markets are pretty different, unless you're talking about the desktop-centric Linux distros. The real question is, will Linux replace Windows? I know it already has on at least one of my machines

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner

Originally posted by: halfpower
Will Windows/OSX ever Replace Linux?

That's a bad question. The intended markets are pretty different, unless you're talking about the desktop-centric Linux distros. The real question is, will Linux replace Windows? I know it already has on at least one of my machines

The OP made this thread as a play on the other one.