Windows has made significant gains over the past 5 years. Not big gains, but gains none the less. If Windows becomes ultra-stable, as stable as Linux won't it stand to take a good chunk out of the market? What about OSX? That basically BSD, right? Why not use a user friendly OSX(Apple's version of Unix) instead of Solaris? I guess some may need custom compiled operating systems, but this is a small portion of the market. Any thoughts?
Will Windows/OSX ever Replace Linux?
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Shouldn't the question be reversed? Will Linux ever replace Windows/OSX/AIX/SOLARIS/HPUX?
Linux still have some uphill battle...
Linux still have some uphill battle...
Linux will never go away because the costs can be significantly less, depending on what you are doing. Just as an example, a Citrix server may run Windows 2003 for the sake of software compatibility, but all the terminals connecting to it can run Linux. Why buy 100+ licenses for Windows when you could install Linux on those terminals for free?
Yes Windows is an excellent operating system, but licensing costs can be incredibly high if your company has a few hundred computers.
Yes Windows is an excellent operating system, but licensing costs can be incredibly high if your company has a few hundred computers.
Nothing beats open source, Linux and its variants offer tons of flexibility for their users, not to mention its free of cost. Plus there would always be the people who'd use linux for the sake of using linux.
The real question would be whether Linux can take on Windows/OSX but that will probably never happen.
The real question would be whether Linux can take on Windows/OSX but that will probably never happen.
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I believe this is a play on a semi-recent thread that did ask that question, but I can't find the original thread right now. And Linux is replacing commercial unix all over the place, it's just a question of how much work it is for someone to migrate their systems.
If by basically you mean "No, not really".
Is Oracle certified on OS X? And OS X is at a huge disadvantage because Apple replaced X with Aqua so no standard unix GUI tools work without installing a second display system. Granted it's on the install disc and I believe it's supported by Apple, but it's an extra level of complication that's not necessary.
Virtually no one using Linux in a commercial capacity cares about compiling anything, infact if you are compiling your own stuff you're going to have a much more difficult time with support when something goes wrong.
Unix servers, Enterprise networking frameworks, Supercomputers, web servers, Embedded development, high end graphics imaging and rendering, virtualization, and that sort of thing I guess.
Kinda weird stuff. There is a 2-3 billion dollar a year server market for a OS you can download legally through bittorrent for $0.
perhaps a tad offtopic but i think OSX...if done carefully and of course opened up for pc hardware has a chance at least in taking a much larger chunk out of ms's os customers. but too many conflicts and variables for that to be a real possibility of happening.
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You're more optimistic than I, I figure he's just trolling.
Not a chance, I'm sure initially there would be a lot of interest but after a few weeks everyone would just be complaining about how they can't play their Windows-only games and such just like we have now with Linux.
It's nice to have a a good clueless troll to shoot down every once in a while. So far it's all anybody has been talking about in between numerous "will this hardware run vista fast?" threads.
Sounds a bit backwards to me. If anything, Linux is making some "significant gains". I mean, just recently there have been a huge batch of countries/schools/businesses switching to Linux because it's "cheaper".
Vista has some positive advancements in it's code. Not enough to bring me back into the windows user fold, but that doesn't change the fact that it's made strides.
as an FYI, I had to install Windows ME the other day....trust me they are making some big gains
we think about money like that, but most large companies who have hundreds of computers lease and write stuff like that off as normal operating expense. i work for one. in that context, Windows isn't really that expensive and total cost of ownership is more important. TCO includes hand holding your average joe to use linux. doing that costs more than having a windows license. you have to factor in training not only about the OS but also the software used.
i've also talked to the network guys and they also say it cost more to get server class components for linux. companies like IBM who focus on linux will give you the OS for free but what they're really selling is expensive hardware and support.
i agree with many here, the question is will linux replace either. it's definitely a possibility. maybe if there weren't so many distributions of linux. it's open source and therein lies the problem. if i don't want to cooperate with you, i'll just make my own distro further fragmenting the linux space. there is so much bickering among the linux community. as an example, Gnome vs. KDE. Linus himself promotes this uncooperative perception with his recent comments of Gnome. in essence, he feels Gnome is dumbing down linux to the point where Gnome makes it difficult to do advanced tasks which is linux's strength. i can see Linus' point but at the same time being simple is what linux needs to attract the less tech savvy. simple is good, look at OS X.
i've also talked to the network guys and they also say it cost more to get server class components for linux. companies like IBM who focus on linux will give you the OS for free but what they're really selling is expensive hardware and support.
i agree with many here, the question is will linux replace either. it's definitely a possibility. maybe if there weren't so many distributions of linux. it's open source and therein lies the problem. if i don't want to cooperate with you, i'll just make my own distro further fragmenting the linux space. there is so much bickering among the linux community. as an example, Gnome vs. KDE. Linus himself promotes this uncooperative perception with his recent comments of Gnome. in essence, he feels Gnome is dumbing down linux to the point where Gnome makes it difficult to do advanced tasks which is linux's strength. i can see Linus' point but at the same time being simple is what linux needs to attract the less tech savvy. simple is good, look at OS X.
Hehe, yeah that is actually kinda funny, even on a personal level for me.
Overall, I've spent more money on entirely free software than I have on commercial software.
Every version of OpenBSD since 2.9, bought a bunch of Redhat versions, and some other various software, while I just buy commercial software when I really really need it
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That's BS, Linux runs on the exact same hardware as Windows. Sure, IBM hardware will be more expensive than HP or Dell, but that's true no matter what OS you run on it.
You mean the advantage, the fact that it's open means you have choice to do whatever you want. Vendor lock in is virtually impossible, if you decide that you don't like the deal Novell made with MS then you can switch to RedHat very easily. And in the commercial supported space there's only a handful of distributions, if choosing between like 3 companies is too much for you then you probably shouldn't be in IT.
It's called competition and if your ideas are better your distribution will take off and people will support you, if not you'll be the only one using it and no one will notice anyway, so what's the problem?
There's bickering everywhere it's just that you don't get to see the fights inside of MS because they're closed off from the rest of the world. The advantage of OSS is that it's so transparent, all of the discussions happen out in the open so you get to see how people really work and it's easy to pick out the ones that actually have a clue and are worthwhile contributers. And IMO Linus is right, the Gnome people are way too obsessed with simplicity and it gets in the way of having their product work for more advanced users. It's possible to have sane, simple defaults and still let people who know what they're doing change those defaults if they want to.
for $*its and giggles i just now as i'm reading this forum tabbed over and opened the site distrowatch and asked my g/f to come here, i showed it to her and said "pretend for a moment your looking for an alternative os for you computer and this is where you started" she read for a moment then looked at me funny and said "uhm, yeah, go play your little forum dear" and walked away.
so i asked what drew her away, she came back and i made her look through it for a moment despite her lack of enthusiasm anyway, she first asked what is ubuntu and how to pronounce it and she said she doesnt even understand what shes reading, none of the words makes since referring to words like kde and gnome.
without standards the positives of choice are left only to the minority who are willing to understand and learn and likely the reason it will take world war 3 to ensue before another os claims the throne.
ms's new slogan should read:
"microsoft: WE OWN YOU..and your dog"
so i asked what drew her away, she came back and i made her look through it for a moment despite her lack of enthusiasm anyway, she first asked what is ubuntu and how to pronounce it and she said she doesnt even understand what shes reading, none of the words makes since referring to words like kde and gnome.
without standards the positives of choice are left only to the minority who are willing to understand and learn and likely the reason it will take world war 3 to ensue before another os claims the throne.
ms's new slogan should read:
"microsoft: WE OWN YOU..and your dog"
I guess what halfpower is trying to ask people is if the proprietary software wil swallow linux over the years. Well, Apple didn´t make any big movement over linux to blame it for it´s problems. Microsoft is always trying to Blame Linux every time. We all know that Ballmer continuously tell stupid things about Linux that aren´t true. And Microsoft sued Linux users telling them they are using their codes, but there hasn´t any prooves about that.
In Fact, NT 4.0 is a Modified BSD with all restrictions only Microsoft bring. And the evolution of this behavior with Abusive EULAS, prices and restrictions culmine with the remote atestation, wich is in it´s way to be used first from BBC, London, as EFF publicized.
The problem, is the consumers are on their limits to so much rules to simply use software on their computers. And the software made by Microsoft continuously suffer from high prices. Outside of USA the problem get so bigger that nations worldwide embraced Linux. The other problem is Microsoft uses government to represent their interests over the users, generally enterprises that can be sued for money.
They don´t simply have a new software unsupported to people who don´t want to pay, that´s one problem, and Starter Edition is so much limited. The CALs are an abuse. you have to pay for connections or users for a product that you already paid. Pay twice, Or, if you don´t know nothing about computers , you can be sued like Julie Amero.
The pirates never asked Microsoft about nothing, they simply never used their support, but not because the software is perfect, but because they know that their software is pirated. They help each others.
Home, Starter are Limited ? XP Pro corporate XPirated Version solves it for all.
Here in Brazil, in the black market, only the Vista Ultimate is being seem. All of the Journals already announced the " crime ". No others Vista are pirated. Why ?
What I´m telling is when they are spending most of their " precious " time to promote limits to the users, Pirates are saying that there is no limit .
What will you choose, a complex activation with rules, rules, and more rules, or a simply " Press enter message " ?
For the average Joe, whose don´t know nothing about consequences of what they are doing, they only want a simple solution. Not to tell Microsoft what is going on their computers. They think " The computer is mine ". Well. I guess Microsoft doesn´t think this way if you use their software.
And MAC ?
MAC is closed source, but is not atacking other initiatives, but there is technical restrictions too.
A Sample for this, is recently I bought a 1gb MP3 player/pen drive, what I asked to the dealer ?
Is restricted to an vendor of software ?
He says a great " NO "
Well, I´m happy, now, use any software to decode my CD´s to MP3 without spywares and simply copy and paste to my device like if it is a simple pen drive.
I don´t need much. It simply function.
If in the same place there is a 8GB for the same price, but telling that I have to register to use, and have the obligation to use only the vendor´s software to transfer my music to the device. connected to the Internet. F***k devil device, I´m out .
That´s the problem we are facing, the problem of the "fair use".
Pirates haves the "fair use" of the software.
But Linux have the legal fair use of the software.
Honest people have to register and a bunch of burocracy to simply use Microsoft things...
But, returning to MAC, they do wrong things too, but Steve Jobs said that isn´t what he want´s. He perceived Fair use will rule the world.
That´s the point. As far as any proprietary software goes on with burocracy, invasion of the user´s life, or price, they will loose for free and fair use stuff. An mid point is required for them to survive. Ballmer is desperate to do such crazy things, but look at what Vista is with their remote atestation, new drivers, video loss quality and registration...
As far as they try to push Linux to the ground with offenses, the most users will see that they are paying much for less with proprietary systems.
Will you pay for live in a jail ?
The problem is that they always stay behind the lawyers.
Open source opens the gate between you and persons that understand the technology and make it not only for free or liberty, but for "fair use" too.
Linux is "fair use" of the software. That´s the point.
That´s what users are claiming for, and Linux is getting famous by it every day. The self propaganda of Linux is Fair use. It´s invincible.
This way, they will never knock out Linux.
Linux will always survive with proprietary software, wether if will be bigger or not, the "fair use" will dictate for users more than publicity or sues by now. I don´t know what will be the next challenge for Linux, But depending on Humans love he certainly will win.
Apple closes their mouth and tries to push that game to the quality, silently gaining consumers from Windows systems.
Well, in the final act, I can see Microsoft Windows being a limited platform for games. Nothing more.
The OSes all do near the same things.
If you want to work very well and be very productive with the fair use and
specialized tasks ( without video games ) . Choose Linux
If you want to turn your computer into a Video Game . Choose Microsoft
If you want to edit your Videos and have cool sites . Choose a MAC
Other Specialized Tasks .Choose others
In Fact, NT 4.0 is a Modified BSD with all restrictions only Microsoft bring. And the evolution of this behavior with Abusive EULAS, prices and restrictions culmine with the remote atestation, wich is in it´s way to be used first from BBC, London, as EFF publicized.
The problem, is the consumers are on their limits to so much rules to simply use software on their computers. And the software made by Microsoft continuously suffer from high prices. Outside of USA the problem get so bigger that nations worldwide embraced Linux. The other problem is Microsoft uses government to represent their interests over the users, generally enterprises that can be sued for money.
They don´t simply have a new software unsupported to people who don´t want to pay, that´s one problem, and Starter Edition is so much limited. The CALs are an abuse. you have to pay for connections or users for a product that you already paid. Pay twice, Or, if you don´t know nothing about computers , you can be sued like Julie Amero.
The pirates never asked Microsoft about nothing, they simply never used their support, but not because the software is perfect, but because they know that their software is pirated. They help each others.
Home, Starter are Limited ? XP Pro corporate XPirated Version solves it for all.
Here in Brazil, in the black market, only the Vista Ultimate is being seem. All of the Journals already announced the " crime ". No others Vista are pirated. Why ?
What I´m telling is when they are spending most of their " precious " time to promote limits to the users, Pirates are saying that there is no limit .
What will you choose, a complex activation with rules, rules, and more rules, or a simply " Press enter message " ?
For the average Joe, whose don´t know nothing about consequences of what they are doing, they only want a simple solution. Not to tell Microsoft what is going on their computers. They think " The computer is mine ". Well. I guess Microsoft doesn´t think this way if you use their software.
And MAC ?
MAC is closed source, but is not atacking other initiatives, but there is technical restrictions too.
A Sample for this, is recently I bought a 1gb MP3 player/pen drive, what I asked to the dealer ?
Is restricted to an vendor of software ?
He says a great " NO "
Well, I´m happy, now, use any software to decode my CD´s to MP3 without spywares and simply copy and paste to my device like if it is a simple pen drive.
I don´t need much. It simply function.
If in the same place there is a 8GB for the same price, but telling that I have to register to use, and have the obligation to use only the vendor´s software to transfer my music to the device. connected to the Internet. F***k devil device, I´m out .
That´s the problem we are facing, the problem of the "fair use".
Pirates haves the "fair use" of the software.
But Linux have the legal fair use of the software.
Honest people have to register and a bunch of burocracy to simply use Microsoft things...
But, returning to MAC, they do wrong things too, but Steve Jobs said that isn´t what he want´s. He perceived Fair use will rule the world.
That´s the point. As far as any proprietary software goes on with burocracy, invasion of the user´s life, or price, they will loose for free and fair use stuff. An mid point is required for them to survive. Ballmer is desperate to do such crazy things, but look at what Vista is with their remote atestation, new drivers, video loss quality and registration...
As far as they try to push Linux to the ground with offenses, the most users will see that they are paying much for less with proprietary systems.
Will you pay for live in a jail ?
The problem is that they always stay behind the lawyers.
Open source opens the gate between you and persons that understand the technology and make it not only for free or liberty, but for "fair use" too.
Linux is "fair use" of the software. That´s the point.
That´s what users are claiming for, and Linux is getting famous by it every day. The self propaganda of Linux is Fair use. It´s invincible.
This way, they will never knock out Linux.
Linux will always survive with proprietary software, wether if will be bigger or not, the "fair use" will dictate for users more than publicity or sues by now. I don´t know what will be the next challenge for Linux, But depending on Humans love he certainly will win.
Apple closes their mouth and tries to push that game to the quality, silently gaining consumers from Windows systems.
Well, in the final act, I can see Microsoft Windows being a limited platform for games. Nothing more.
The OSes all do near the same things.
If you want to work very well and be very productive with the fair use and
specialized tasks ( without video games ) . Choose Linux
If you want to turn your computer into a Video Game . Choose Microsoft
If you want to edit your Videos and have cool sites . Choose a MAC
Other Specialized Tasks .Choose others
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